EPTNonY Vs. IdrA (Spoiler alert) strat discussion - Page 2
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QuothTheRaven
United States5524 Posts
On May 17 2010 07:06 travis wrote: Idra looked really, really sharp in these games. Yeah that was my general impression as well. IdrA really stepped it up and brought his A-game to this series. | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On May 17 2010 07:06 travis wrote: Meaning he didn't accidentally cancel any hatcheries? Idra looked really, really sharp in these games.  | ||
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Icemind
Germany570 Posts
So far in this tournament it seems that Idra has kept his amazing macro skills from before but has gotten rid off both his predictability (he now suddenly does an early ling rush when the chance appeared) and his inability to deal with too much cheese/harassment. Because of those i really didnt like Idras play that much before but i have to say right now iam just impressed. Idra got rid off his weak points while keeping his strong ones and seems to be hardly beatable right now. Although maybe White-Ra will show us how its done, he is an amazing player too after all. And with much better manners than Idra too so i wish him luck  | ||
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Muirhead
United States556 Posts
I really like watching the evolution of your 3 gate into expand strat but your new version of it didn't involve hallucination and got obs as your first scout. Is that safe against 2 base mutalisks? When (if at all) were you planning to get a stargate or how were you going to defend the possibility of mutas? Just trying to understand the thought process :D | ||
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
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Forsti.henning
Germany220 Posts
 Lets see the bright side: who wants to see two toss in the finals anyways?  | ||
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jdc214
United States122 Posts
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s031720
Sweden383 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Quelnor
Canada8 Posts
Air - ground - defense - offense... I don't say it is OP, only that i wouldn't have the same level of confidence doing any kind of toss opening that I feel like i'd have doing IdrA's opening. There's 2 possible reasons for that : 1 : I'm noob or haven't played enough with toss or as Krayze said : «It always seems like a race is imba when a good player gets wrecked by a better player.» 2 : Toss have yet to find a build reliable enough versus FE mass hydra to give you that level of confidence. I would choose half/half of those options, why ? Because protoss seems to rely so heavily on good forcefield, awesome unit placement and very good feeling of the game to react, scout and split your armies at the good spot at the good time. While I feel like zerg's focus isn't the same. Is it easier ? I wouldn't dare say something like that... but yet... something feels weird... That's why i'd say I need to polish my skillzzz and we need to find a more solid build against such a tactic | ||
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Necrosjef
United Kingdom530 Posts
IdrA is much better than any Zerg I played so he put up more resistance than I was used to. I also just made many more careless mistakes than I usually do. Whether this is from not enough practice, not enough practice against challenging opponents, not enough familiarity with SC2 yet, or just general fatigue, I don't know. I certainly think that with all the knowledge I have of PvZ so far, I could have put together a winning series. I just wasn't playing well enough. Hi Nony. I was used to watching IdrA make mass mass roaches and almost no variation from his playstyle in the previous tournaments he had played. Since the roach nerf IdrA has obviously switched up his builds a bit to be basically hydra based with no roaches at all (infact I don't think he made a single roach in that entire series). Do you think it is harder to beat a Zerg player who bases their army on roaches or a zerg player who bases their army on Hydras. And do you think IdrA has gone from being a good player at SC2 to possibly being the best Zerg player overnight purely because he isn't just making 1 unit spam (roaches) anymore and he is actually doing other builds. And finally, alot of players I know from EU regard you as the best U.S. player at the moment, do you see yourself that way and do you think you sold yourself short a bit against IdrA or was he just very very good? | ||
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Smu
Serbia164 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
I have to admit, even as a zerg I was rooting a bit for NonY, mostly because the FF micro was pretty sweet. Then again Idra had some great hydra and zerg micro as well. I kinda wonder if the urge to try and finish out the game early was what cost NonY. I know zerg are still beast with late game macro, but it almost seems like the zerg army was still being treated with the same fear of a 200/200 army as patch 11. | ||
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krowe
United States184 Posts
By chance anyone have the replays or streams for them? | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On May 17 2010 08:43 krowe wrote: Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to see the games, but I know both players are good players so I am sure they were good. By chance anyone have the replays or streams for them?come on dude. From the first page of this thread: On May 17 2010 06:54 stroggos wrote: what replay or vod is this, link? On May 17 2010 07:01 nodule wrote: no vods yet; check hdstarcraft channel on youtube in a day or so The match we're talking about in here was played in this tournament, FYI. Now you can follow along too! | ||
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krowe
United States184 Posts
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DeckOneBell
United States526 Posts
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Dystisis
Norway713 Posts
To be honest, IdrA played extremely well. But I don't necessarily think that he is the better player, things just seemed to click with his macro hydra build against NonY's strats. I am sure there was a lot of planning behind that. Also, the minor "micro" mess-ups by NonY did probably affect the outcome somewhat, whereas I think IdrA didn't really make any mess-ups (though his builds did seem less micro dependant). But I am really looking forward to seeing more of NonY, I am kinda new to the SC scene but so far he is probably my fav player so far. NonY if you read this, good luck on your final games in this tournament! | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
in game 1, idra knew exactly how many ling he needed to make to defend the first attack. Mid way through the fight we can see idra was pumping and maynerding drones from his main to his expo while the fight still going on! The fight ended with about 4 zerglings left standing. Then nony made a mistake in decision making when he allow the lings get by his choke into his main. This creates a scenario in which idra stretched nony's defense with speed. I think the correct decision would be force field the choke with few sentries to protect expansion and clear out the ling and then go from there. But that's the time exactly what idra needed, and gone is nony's timing attack before enough hydra came into play. Game 2 nony played it perfect until his micro failed during the first engagement, in which he didn't gravitate any hydras as they kept poping out one by one. I was sure idra was dead at that point but once he survived it was all over. Game 3 was great play by idra with the drops which stretch nony's defense when he find out nony wanted to take a 3rd. and nony's could have done a lot better in his attack if he kept his colousi together with his stalkers/sentries. I think 2 of them were picked off before nony's units united. There is always a next time nony!, and great play from idra. GGs | ||
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