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italiangymnast
Profile Joined December 2009
United States246 Posts
May 17 2010 01:18 GMT
#41
dont forgett - idra's crazy - he gets so into this that he watched orb's stream to watch his play. im sure he has been watching nony's stream too to formulate lots of counterbuilds. he doesnt go to school like nony. he just does this shit all day.
dont get me wrong, Idra is a GREAT player. but he did have that advantage
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 01:31:31
May 17 2010 01:29 GMT
#42
Today idra is the better player, and nony usually doesn't play for real when he's streaming, i saw many games in which he was massing scouts when he bash A+ korean noobs on iccup. This series idra is showing pretty good adaptation and anticipation based on what he scouts. He didn't have show us any of that back then.
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jdc214
Profile Joined May 2010
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-17 01:34:03
May 17 2010 01:32 GMT
#43
Just out of curiosity, did anyone else feel like Nony was at a bit of a disadvantage when it came to what maps came up? In all of the games, especially the first and third, the maps that came up were did not have more easily defendable choke points, allowing for things like the lings rushing into Nony's main. This gave Idra a bit of an advantage over Nony, in that he could expand quicker and be ready to defend it, while Nony was forced to wait longer on his natural expansions because of how wide open the expansions were. Other thoughts/opinions?

Edit: I am biased towards Nony just because I like him, his playstyle, and his race more. ^_^
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
May 17 2010 01:52 GMT
#44
no map advantage. Because same thing goes for idra too, in game 1 nony was able to run pass the spine crawlers and idra had to survived by pure lings. In both game 1 and game 2 nony took advantage of the wide choke.
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BigDatez
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada434 Posts
May 17 2010 02:08 GMT
#45
one thing to note is: No offence to NonY, but Idra is a stronger player, so although you MAY think that there is no counter as T, there definatly is.
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jdc214
Profile Joined May 2010
United States122 Posts
May 17 2010 02:10 GMT
#46
On May 17 2010 10:52 rei wrote:
no map advantage. Because same thing goes for idra too, in game 1 nony was able to run pass the spine crawlers and idra had to survived by pure lings. In both game 1 and game 2 nony took advantage of the wide choke.


Thanks Rei, you're right and I do appreciate the help in educating myself. :D
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santoki
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States107 Posts
May 17 2010 02:12 GMT
#47
can anyone give a rough build order that idra did? thatd be great =] since no replays are going to be available T^T
jeremysaint
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada80 Posts
May 17 2010 02:17 GMT
#48
at least nony probably wasnt paid 1million won to throw the match....
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
May 17 2010 02:25 GMT
#49
On May 17 2010 06:18 Entropia wrote:
I've looked at all game, everytime NonY was making very nice moves, well placed force field, nice phoenix control (killed how many overlord?) abut everytime the mass hydra was winning. Nothing more, nothing less.

It seems to me that zerg FE is very hard to beat if you don't try something risky (void ray rush, immortal push).

What do you think about it?

I think you should look harder.
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Zerokaiser
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada885 Posts
May 17 2010 02:38 GMT
#50
On May 17 2010 11:12 santoki wrote:
can anyone give a rough build order that idra did? thatd be great =] since no replays are going to be available T^T


He did 15pool 16hatch, speedlings into mass hydra
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Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
May 17 2010 02:49 GMT
#51
On May 17 2010 11:38 Zerokaiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 11:12 santoki wrote:
can anyone give a rough build order that idra did? thatd be great =] since no replays are going to be available T^T


He did 15pool 16hatch, speedlings into mass hydra



Did he double evo chamber every game? I couldn't really tell. Upgrades seemed to be very important to his BO.
Wat
Kegs.aus
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia133 Posts
May 17 2010 02:56 GMT
#52
Its also idrA playing as a the zerg
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
May 17 2010 03:06 GMT
#53
Not sure if he double evo chambered but he definitely got two queens early on, and lots of zerglings + some spine crawlers for defense. His biggest advantage, which most Zergs don't have, is his game sense, which allowed him to have just the right amount of fighting units in every encounter to defend against Nony's pushes, but which didn't prevent him from out-macroing via drone pump simultaneously. Too often I see Zergs get busted because they drone pumped too hard, or out-macro'd because they had too many fighting units. This did not happen to Idra here and he seems to have a general mastery of the timings in PvZ.
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
May 17 2010 03:14 GMT
#54
On May 17 2010 10:52 rei wrote:
no map advantage. Because same thing goes for idra too, in game 1 nony was able to run pass the spine crawlers and idra had to survived by pure lings. In both game 1 and game 2 nony took advantage of the wide choke.


in game 2 he was actually disadvantaged by it, if it had been a normal sized ramp a single forcefield could have kept every hydra out at a time, instead, he needed 3 forcfields per go. When you count sentries and the mobility of zerg, smaller chokes deffinatly favour a toss.
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Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
May 17 2010 03:37 GMT
#55
Well spoken, <3 NonY
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
May 17 2010 03:45 GMT
#56
Idra sure brings it when big cash is on the line. Where is Smuft, and when is the big one going down?
pheus
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia161 Posts
May 17 2010 05:43 GMT
#57
On May 17 2010 12:45 0neder wrote:
Idra sure brings it when big cash is on the line. Where is Smuft, and when is the big one going down?


pretty sure that got called off
s031720
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden383 Posts
May 17 2010 06:41 GMT
#58
Lets face it; Idra is a beast. Any race he had choosen to play for sc2, he would have been successful with, and people running to the forums shouting Imba. Its not the race that is OP, its Idra.
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Nitron
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore177 Posts
May 17 2010 07:02 GMT
#59
On May 17 2010 12:14 Mogget wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 10:52 rei wrote:
no map advantage. Because same thing goes for idra too, in game 1 nony was able to run pass the spine crawlers and idra had to survived by pure lings. In both game 1 and game 2 nony took advantage of the wide choke.


in game 2 he was actually disadvantaged by it, if it had been a normal sized ramp a single forcefield could have kept every hydra out at a time, instead, he needed 3 forcfields per go. When you count sentries and the mobility of zerg, smaller chokes deffinatly favour a toss.


In game 2 NonY alr admitted that it was a mistake to keep the hydras out in the first place, his build was to pick off hydras using the forcefield. In that game even if the lair did go down, Idra would have still won.

However if we talk about map advantage, big maps tend to favour Idra because he is a macro player, and all 3 games were big maps (scrap station being long rush distance). The HDH should have a big map as first game, and small map as second or sth like that
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
May 17 2010 07:16 GMT
#60
On May 17 2010 16:02 Nitron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2010 12:14 Mogget wrote:
On May 17 2010 10:52 rei wrote:
no map advantage. Because same thing goes for idra too, in game 1 nony was able to run pass the spine crawlers and idra had to survived by pure lings. In both game 1 and game 2 nony took advantage of the wide choke.


in game 2 he was actually disadvantaged by it, if it had been a normal sized ramp a single forcefield could have kept every hydra out at a time, instead, he needed 3 forcfields per go. When you count sentries and the mobility of zerg, smaller chokes deffinatly favour a toss.


In game 2 NonY alr admitted that it was a mistake to keep the hydras out in the first place, his build was to pick off hydras using the forcefield. In that game even if the lair did go down, Idra would have still won.

However if we talk about map advantage, big maps tend to favour Idra because he is a macro player, and all 3 games were big maps (scrap station being long rush distance). The HDH should have a big map as first game, and small map as second or sth like that


thats not what i said, i was just correcting someone, i never said that was why he lost, im just saying, smaller chokes favour toss. Also, not sure about big maps favouring idra, nony has insane mechanics aswell.
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
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