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kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
May 19 2010 14:58 GMT
#201
If you guys had watched White-Ra vs Check in the World Cup tournament, this debate would be settled. White-Ra coped with the hydra drops and ended up out macroing the Zerg. He really showed how late-game Protoss should be played.
FlamingTurd
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1059 Posts
May 19 2010 15:01 GMT
#202
OP - You are arguing something the - probably best Zerg in the world - can do. The rest of the 99.5% of Z players out there could never keep up the micro and macro idrA does.
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DC Elite
Profile Joined May 2010
United States152 Posts
May 19 2010 15:17 GMT
#203
The problem is zerg's units are too one dimensional.

The sentry has great spells like forcefield AND it has a nice ranged attack as a bonus. The infestor doesnt attack at all, making it useless after its spells are depleted.

The viking can tranform into a ground unit. The corruptor is ONLY AA and is useless if you build too many and kill all the air units.

Broodlords are too high up on the tree for them to be used often. Its not like we see carriers and battle cruisers all the time, so when people say go broods, they are supa tard.

Thus, the only basic MULTIfunctional units zerg has is lings, hydra, and muta, which is all you see.
PROJECTILE
Profile Joined April 2010
United States226 Posts
May 19 2010 15:19 GMT
#204
On May 19 2010 23:58 kheldorin wrote:
If you guys had watched White-Ra vs Check in the World Cup tournament, this debate would be settled. White-Ra coped with the hydra drops and ended up out macroing the Zerg. He really showed how late-game Protoss should be played.

You have a link to that?
Motiva
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1774 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-19 15:47:52
May 19 2010 15:45 GMT
#205
haven't read all 11 pages, just OP

but I've had some success opening 2gateways zealots into 2 starport pheonix into expo + 3 more gates.

The idea w/ this build is to get Zeals to defend against lings or pressure, depends on map/ramp, and then harass heavily w/ pheonix until enough hydras pop. While you, expand, get charge, and more gateways.

Zealots do pretty well against hydras if they have speed. With enough pheonix it's not too hard to get into a pretty decent situation and really shuts down any muta switch and forces zerg into hydras. Void rays are solid transition out of pheonix for the later game as well.

Obv no expert, but I've had a ton of success against FE Hydra openings at like 1500 plat. Nub I know, but yeeeeeeee
iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
May 19 2010 18:47 GMT
#206
On the countrary, everyone complaining about the masshydras are saying that Z (through Hydra) is OP. Its not.


Nope, actually, I'm not saying that. Read the thread.

I'm saying that it's boring and is a sign that Zerg's units are not balanced with respect to eachother. I don't think Z is overpowered, just that their military choices are simplistic and bland. You're imagining people are saying things are imbalanced where it doesn't actually exist. Stop the persecution complex and derailing the thread.
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