EPTOn March 30 2010 08:19 Korn wrote:
plz delete.
plz delete.
You said something about upgrading roaches with +1 attack to kill zerglings in 2 shots, rather than 3... why did you delete the post?
Not trying to be rude, just actually curious
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Blackjackbob
Canada164 Posts
You said something about upgrading roaches with +1 attack to kill zerglings in 2 shots, rather than 3... why did you delete the post? Not trying to be rude, just actually curious | ||
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TLOBrian
United States453 Posts
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zazen
Brazil695 Posts
Banelings are usually my response to Z's who make too many lings and they work well. | ||
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
I used to go for a 1 base speedling rush to counter FE/Roach, but i feel that this build is stronger. I still need a little practice tho :p Also, when a players decide to add banelings, then the game is just a world of fun. Speedlings can quite easely dodge blings, but a small mistake can cost you the game. | ||
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
Also once the roach ball gets big enough speedling really starts to suck because only so many can hit roaches at once, but all those roaches are gonna be firing at your lings. God forbid they get +1 attack and 2 shot lings. I might consider just getting that if I see no warren from now on because it's so funny to see lings fail so hard. Also I'd like to point out that hydra completely rape mutaling so if you don't manage to kill him before muta are coming you can just start massing hydra and you'll still be in good shape vs anything he can make. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
nearly every player and poster ive encountered completely forgets about the only other tier 1 unit we have | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On March 30 2010 08:09 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: I'm an american zerg and I'm getting tired of winning by default just because they try to go roaches and with over 60% of my games being ZvZ on average it gets old after a while. edit: Seriously to the doubters TRY IT like I said in the OP I gave you a BO use it and tell me it doesnt work then. 6pooled  | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
lol xD, what map? Cuz you can switch to a 14 pool usually with that build. | ||
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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Karas
United States230 Posts
There was no focus firing from the roaches. In every early battle I saw, the roaches were just firing into the swarm, which is a serious waste of attacks. Even 3 roaches can kill a ling in one hit, which lowers your DPS quickly. I'm not discounting the tactic, I would be thrilled to see lings being made more viable but I need to see some good roach use before I say that lings can flat out beat them. Also, what the reps may show better than ling vs roach is the power of FE in zvz. There's nothing to say someone could not 14 hatch and then go lings to transition into roaches. Or even mix roach and ling armies (a few roaches to tank, while the ling surround). | ||
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scAre
Estonia28 Posts
if u go faster pool u can get queen faster and compensate the second hatchery with inject larve for awhile and get second queen ready as your second hatchery finishes. And if u go hatchery first then pool then the queen is signifcally delayed. So this isnt clear whether hatch first ->pool first when comparing larva production. I personally favor pool first as it gives more flexibility. | ||
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Koffiegast
Netherlands346 Posts
Roach > banes/lings Banes > lings Speedlings > mapcontrol and if your oppo fucks up you can raze their base. | ||
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DowMah
Sweden6 Posts
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rrowland
United States84 Posts
Players I have encountered that have beat me when I went speedlings won by keeping all of their roaches at their drones with a single spine crawler and severely limiting my ability to surround anything. From this point it's easy for them to mass and tech. | ||
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
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Piousflea
United States259 Posts
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Hansel
Germany311 Posts
On March 30 2010 09:33 rrowland wrote: Banelings are a pretty good counter, however it can turn into a micro battle as you can send in a single speedling and take out a baneling. Players I have encountered that have beat me when I went speedlings won by keeping all of their roaches at their drones with a single spine crawler and severely limiting my ability to surround anything. From this point it's easy for them to mass and tech. This. To me it seems like the best way to play zvsz is 10pool then mass ling expand with 1 gas running and see what hes doing. If he builds lings too make banelings if he goes roaches and stays in his base drone up yourself, make spine crawler and get a roach warren so your ahead with your expo. Thats what works for me at least. | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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Funchucks
Canada2113 Posts
On March 30 2010 10:31 Tinithor wrote: Just a thought but wouldn't banelings stomp mass speedlings? Seems to depend on micro. It can be brutally effective, but you need to get the splash working for you against faster units. I think the more the experience level rises, the less effective banelings alone will be against zerglings alone, but I'm not going to hazard any guesses about the potential of sophisticated mixed-unit tactics including banelings. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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