[M] (2) The Path Not Taken

On October 12 2014 23:48 Big J wrote:
In particular: The big rocks from the gold to the middle seem to make the gold base a very safe third option for Terran.

On October 12 2014 23:40 algue wrote:
I don't like the rocks at 5 and 7 o'clock though.

On October 12 2014 23:40 algue wrote:
Why do you love white and red cristals so much ?

On October 12 2014 23:48 Big J wrote:
I think there are too many rocks on the map that cover against attacks before being taken down.

In particular: The big rocks from the gold to the middle seem to make the gold base a very safe third option for Terran.
And the ones at the ramp from that leads into the space between the third and the natural as well, given how narrow all other ramps are.
The bottom area looks very interesting, but on the same page feels very useless with how many expansions are around the main area. People are probably not going to expand down their, safe of the well done hidden gold base. I'd remove one of the bases you describe as "easy third for Protoss", "easy 4th for Zerg" and "forward 3rd for Terran".
With the gold base, the forward 3rd and the safe third, you already have 3 third base options. And the easy 4th doesn't really feel easier than just taking the gold or the forward third as Zerg, which also makes for 3 4th options (given you haven't taken one of those as third, which would then leave the easy third as 4th option).

On October 13 2014 00:47 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Speedlings won't really mind taking the "sneaky, sneaky" path.

On October 12 2014 23:52 OtherWorld wrote:
The only other thing I dislike is the unbuildable zone instead of rocks ; you deny players the possibilty of making a building there once the rocks are down for no apparent reason.

On October 13 2014 01:35 And G wrote:

Before any of the rocks are broken down you can defend at the fourth where the bottom pathway ends with a handful of units as long as you have sentries. It's a very narrow ramp; as long as you know when the speedlings will be coming you'll be fine.

On October 12 2014 23:51 algue wrote:


That's not a problem, that's a feature !

On October 13 2014 02:06 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Consider at least making the natural "sim city-able" (it's quite close to already be, just remove the space to wall near the geysers) or reducing the size of the backdoor ramp. As the map stands, I don't see how I can, as Protoss, safely expand in PvZ.

On October 13 2014 01:35 And G wrote:

I could easily replace that with unbuildable rocks if it's a problem. But serious question: When would you ever want to build anything there?

On October 13 2014 02:55 iHirO wrote:
That spoiler was great!

Just theory crafting here but couldn't a Terran lift to the gold and then go cc first without being penalised (versus non terrans) as they're protected by the rocks?

On October 13 2014 02:59 OtherWorld wrote:

Hmm you sometimes see Terran 2-raxing and killing the rocks to wall in the Zerg ; a Protoss could also want to place a pylon there ; a Zerg a spine in ZvZ ; a Terran a bunker in case of huge all-in from the opponent... I dunno, yes it is not a "normal" place to put a building down, but I don't see the point in preventing the players to build there. It's not a big deal though

On October 13 2014 02:55 iHirO wrote:
Just theory crafting here but couldn't a Terran lift to the gold and then go cc first without being penalised (versus non terrans) as they're protected by the rocks?

On October 13 2014 03:14 And G wrote:

Do you mean floating your initial CC over there, and then re-take your main base with a CC first? One problem would be that the point of floating the main base to the gold as on Habitation Station or Metalopolis is usually to put on early pressure, but that sort of requires that your marines can walk across the map to do damage, which isn't really possible until the rocks at the wide ramps are down or you have medivacs, right? Also, as long as the rocks on the small ramp exist I don't see how you're going to defend oracles or mutalisks on two bases. Plus the scouting drone/probe can just stay in your main base and keep your second CC from landing, or maybe do a pylon block / proxy hatch.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm pretty sure (read in Kaelaris' voice) that it wouldn't become standard if this map were on ladder.

On October 13 2014 03:20 iHirO wrote:
You could build the second CC straight away but leave it parked at the gold for double mules/scv production, while the rax are building.

On October 13 2014 03:14 And G wrote:

I haven't seen any of that actually happen in like forever. Pylons, spines and bunkers are usually placed on the other side of the ramp, where Protoss would wall off if they wall at the Nexus, right? The 2-rax wall-in makes sense, but I've never seen that actually happen, either.