Mines and Magic - Page 5

On February 08 2014 22:45 LongTerm wrote:
I really enjoy this game, and I think it offers a lot of oppurtinities for new strategies and teamwork. There are two things that bother me right now.

1. Premade vs premade (or random): I have had several games at this, and it seems that some sents at waves might be too strong. The problem here is that a premade will decide with their entire team on what round they will sent huge (like 3+ rounds before they actually send), and they can sent so much that its pretty much unstoppable. This can be very imba and basically unstoppable from what ive seen, even for another premade. To illustrate this point with a example I played yesterday:
two premades of four each played eachother 4vs4: both teams bombarded eachother with marines at 5, then they sent huge at 10 but we survived, then we sent huge at 13, but they survived. Then they sent huge at 17, and although my entire team was expecting that they would sent and we clearly overbuild our army, we had no chance in stopping it (each one of us received 3 voids/diamonds/lurkers/mutas). I feel this is kind of broken in premade vs premade, especially wave 17 is far too strong with sents, and I think voids/diamonds should be available later because they are too strong to handle at wave 17.

2. Elo system: I really like the elo system and it feels good to have some kind of reward when winning. However, right now elo is forcing very skilled players to avoid challenges at all times and play games that are already looking clearly too easy in lobby. That's why ''best'' way right now to earn elo is to play premade x4, and just kill all noobs in public lobbies on wave 5 by sending huge. This is demotivating for pro players and very repetitive, but it is the best way to make elo and I personally hate it. I think that elo bonuses should be based even more on elo differences, and that there should be a limit on elo that can be earned playing in public lobbies. Like for instance, if a team who has an average elo of 1800 plays vs a team that has average of 1500 elo, I think the team of 1800 should receive 0 points. Clearly they are better so why reward them with points? I think that the average elo difference of teams should be max 100, and any more than that should result in higher elo team not receiving any points. This way players are forced to either play with public players, or if they play premade they should find opponents who are atleast near their skill level (100 average elo difference is still a lot though). Right now most players don't want inhouses because its a serious threat to their elo, but this change would motivate inhouses a lot and would make the game more interesting and competitive.

PS: EU & U.S server: I've played in both servers and it seems there is a bigger community in U.S server. They have several mines and magic clans there, and some of them have like 20-30 players online regularly (I am in the piupiu clan there now and looots of good players). In EU there seems to be only the mines and magic addicts group, and just a handful of players that are really good, this is also causing serious problems to find inhouse 4v4 games. It would be nice if we could somehow stimulate cross-server inhouses. Right now EU players and U.S players are too seperated from eachother, and EU players think they the best, and US players think they the best (i've seen some 1900 elo players in US lol).

On February 03 2014 19:59 komodowaran wrote:
@new builder
i agree with you that the new builder is realy bad if you don't have eather 2oil+1metal+food or 1oil+2metall+food at the start
Thats because the billy's are so so weak
The ondly billy that is not 100% useles is the bomb billy but he is a total of 7oil
The laser billy has a to big cooldown on his laser to me mouch of a use later because he gats killed to fast so you never shoud build them
The spider has a cool ability but vs ranged wave you wil leek if you position your spiders so that the abillity woud help)
the upgradet for of the spider for the stun is realy cool but sucks vs bosses
the other upgrade is realy good if you have about 5 of them and enough tanks to suport them with energy
thats the best unit that the mech builder has in combination woth tanks

And an other problem is wave 1
if you ondly build one billy you might leek if you have bad luck (snow+send)
if you build 2 your eco is realy bad

the tank that gives energy is the ondly good unit but the abillity he gets from upgrading is not realy good on a ranged unit (boomb billy woud need it)




Ps: its good that noobs can't play mech because mech is the best way to ruin your elo

On February 10 2014 11:00 blackpimple wrote:


disagree. that's like saying if you build 1 cypress you might leak cuz of 2 drone sends.

1 billy can withstand 1 drone send just like cypress.

it will leak with 2 drone sends just like cypress.

don't be a noob, save your drill.

after his last balance to mech, everything is fine now. play more, and master mech like you have with your best race. magic was my best race, and now mech is my best race. (assuming i can find 2 metals)

you know you sound like an idiot right?

1. of course it's strong. because they saved up. it's the same thing in STD, which this map is based on. why don't you try suggesting something useful, like send cap like STD instead of complaining about premade teams. obv your teams suck, all max sends are beatable with / without mine / shield upgrade if you spend $ n res into the correct things w/o too much expansion.

2. he's following standard elo logic. go google what elo is and how other games, like chess, calculates it.

3. you sound like an idiot