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RumbleBadger
322 Posts
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DYEAlabaster
Canada1009 Posts
On April 29 2012 22:32 Aunvilgod wrote: So do you want innovation and different stuff like backdoor expos or do you want normal, "boring" maps like this one? I want a middle of the road approach. Make a playable, well balanced and fun map, but don't remake the same map with pretty aesthetics for the x-hundredth time, which is what I consider ESV to predominantly do. | ||
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monitor
United States2409 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:47 DYEAlabaster wrote: I want a middle of the road approach. Make a playable, well balanced and fun map, but don't remake the same map with pretty aesthetics for the x-hundredth time, which is what I consider ESV to predominantly do. Just wait until you see some of our new releases  And also.... backdoor expos are not always terrible  | ||
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DYEAlabaster
Canada1009 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:10 monitor wrote: Just wait until you see some of our new releases And also.... backdoor expos are not always terrible Perhaps in the long term of SC2 meta they won't be, but for now, you won't show me one example of it not being awful. | ||
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Sikly
United States413 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:19 DYEAlabaster wrote: Perhaps in the long term of SC2 meta they won't be, but for now, you won't show me one example of it not being awful. You have yet to add anything to the discussion of this map, other than its too boring, and that the map maker's attempts at innovating weren't good enough for you. Seriously, if making maps is so easy perhaps you should jump on it and show ESV how to do it, right? On topic, I'm really interested to see how this map plays out, I have a feeling it won't play quite as standard as others are saying it will. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:43 draumr wrote: You have yet to add anything to the discussion of this map, other than its too boring, and that the map maker's attempts at innovating weren't good enough for you. Seriously, if making maps is so easy perhaps you should jump on it and show ESV how to do it, right? On topic, I'm really interested to see how this map plays out, I have a feeling it won't play quite as standard as others are saying it will. I have to agree, the map does look good, and I'd like to clarify what I'm about to say by saying that I personally don't think it a boring map, the layout of the later bases and the complete embrace of circle syndrome does make it different to other maps of late. On the topic of innovation, it's nothing like as easy as one might imagine. It is, very much so, like the build orders one can do in SC2 itself. Yes, you can do some very wonky things that are a lot of fun, and completely defy the standard, and win to some extent, but try doing those builds in the Grandmaster league. I can tell you you'll have trouble straight away, even if you're a career GM player. Mapmaking is the exact same way. There are so many set standards, based on both game balance and the metagame, that any innovations are drowned out by "oh this just looks like that map over there" syndrome. There is also something to be said for simply making a solid standard map, because since it conforms to what we know, the tip top pros who happen to play on it will be able to simply focus on what they know, and deliver the best possible game. I dunno about any of you, but despite how old and standard Daybreak is, as a map, the games I see there are always exciting to watch. That is all. | ||
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Smoodish
United States95 Posts
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eloist
United States1017 Posts
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:25 eloist wrote: I think there are too many maps with all expansions hugging the edges of the map with 'my' potential bases as far away from 'your' potential bases as possible. There should be something to fight about on the map, resource wise. It doesn't have to be Jungle Basis but this is indeed a bit boring. Looking forward to how it plays out though. That is true but sadly disadventageous for zerg. I would love to make such maps but they just would not be balanced or extremely hard to balance. | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1613 Posts
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chocopaw
2072 Posts
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
On April 28 2012 18:51 Aunvilgod wrote: I agree. One time it was great, after Cloud Kingdom it looks like boring copypasta. Other than that I loooove the map. These highgrounds are really amazing and will provide us with an incredible lategame. The aestethics are great too, the combination of lava and orange fog is lovely. I so hope for this getting into the GSL... Oh, btw, why is a korean mapmaker better at making western names than superouman? Both of you (and all the people hating on the space shark) realize that it's an ESV trademark, right? All the ESV maps lately have a shark like that, whether a space or water shark. They're not just copying each other. It's to put a mark on the map to prevent infringement and to leave their signature on it. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
Any chance you'll be posting an analyzer? Just the standard summary, I have a hard time analyzing the full detail maps. if not, still a cool map from what I can gather. | ||
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SpecFire
United States1681 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On April 29 2012 03:04 Kaw wrote: If ESV wants to come off as a childish organization that doesn't know when a joke has been beaten into the ground then be my guest and keep the space shark. Map looks great otherwise though. What sort of joyless heathen are you? Space Shark fucking rocks! | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:19 DYEAlabaster wrote: Perhaps in the long term of SC2 meta they won't be, but for now, you won't show me one example of it not being awful. We get it, you don't like us. Please stop shitting up every ESV thread. Thanks! | ||
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chocopaw
2072 Posts
On May 25 2012 00:02 Nuclease wrote: Both of you (and all the people hating on the space shark) realize that it's an ESV trademark, right? All the ESV maps lately have a shark like that, whether a space or water shark. They're not just copying each other. It's to put a mark on the map to prevent infringement and to leave their signature on it. I didn't know that before it was mentioned in this thread... a month ago. But it's still just boring and not funny. I wouldn't go as far as that guy and call it childish or unprofessional, but it was a neat one time joke, I'm sure ESV could find something more fitting. Just my humble opinion. | ||
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[Aot]_Aether
United States89 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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Lysergic
United States355 Posts
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