[M] (2) ESV Muspelheim

On April 28 2012 17:48 chocopaw wrote:
Can people please stop with the space sharks?^^
Other than that, hot stuff!

On April 28 2012 17:48 chocopaw wrote:
Can people please stop with the space sharks?^^
Other than that, hot stuff!

On April 28 2012 19:36 Arceus wrote:
Is it me or I just had enough of this layout? Whats the difference between Dual Sight, Belshir Beach, Ohana, Korhal, this map and brazillion others aside of few modifications on high ground, fifth, rock or pathing? Can mapmaker be a lil bit creative in making map? I know maps would be played out different but still

On April 28 2012 18:15 Ragoo wrote:
To me the base under your main is useless.
+ Show Spoiler [relevant picture] +

Green cant take the one at his own main because it's too close to the enemy's fifth base and also very out of place. And he cant take the other base either because it's cliffable from the enemy's main.

In my opinion this base should be changed.

On April 28 2012 21:03 Aunvilgod wrote:


Sadly you get a lot of shit if you try. Maps which don´t fit that layout are "bad".

On April 29 2012 01:05 Gl!tch wrote:

Not so sure about that. It reminded me of the center base on Daybreak, albeit pushed closer to the center and with wider entrances.

As for the aesthetics, i'm curious how you got the "overhang" look on some of these bases at the edge, how did you get the cliff not to go all the way down?

Anyhow, I like the base layout and feel like the 3rd may be pretty easy to take as protoss (me) but also think too much LOS blockers.

On April 28 2012 20:50 iGrok wrote:

The Space Shark is the official mascot of ESV.

That's like telling TL "Can you stop with the horses?"

On April 29 2012 03:04 Kaw wrote:


If ESV wants to come off as a childish organization that doesn't know when a joke has been beaten into the ground then be my guest and keep the space shark.

On April 29 2012 03:59 IronManSC wrote:


There is nothing childish about an organization having a personal signature, which happens to be the space shark. In fact, if I recall correctly, it was there just for giggles at first, but the fans made it a scene because they loved it, thus we put it up for them. It's not what I would call a "mascot."

You might think it's childish but the ESVSpaceShark twitter has 729 followers. People love it. Not everyone will and that may just be you. That's fine. A few examples of jokes beaten into the ground are chanting USA for stephano, google zerg rush, dustin browder destructible rocks, idra's "wub wub wub wub wub" music, or TLO's beard.

Seriously lacks innovation.

On April 29 2012 03:04 Kaw wrote:


If ESV wants to come off as a childish organization that doesn't know when a joke has been beaten into the ground then be my guest and keep the space shark.

Map looks great otherwise though.

On April 29 2012 03:04 Kaw wrote:


If ESV wants to come off as a childish organization that doesn't know when a joke has been beaten into the ground then be my guest and keep the space shark.

Map looks great otherwise though.

On April 29 2012 04:19 Gentso wrote:


Yep. I just don't see the point to maps like this anymore. They're well made for sure, but there's others out there that are similar and already proven. I think map makers should try to innovate like the Korean maps I've been seeing. Atlantis, Daybreak, Metropolis.. all provide fresh and unique games.

On this map specifically, I'm not sure I understand why there's so much land behind the minerals of the natural. It's a direct connection to the main minerals which seems like it could be abused early game by Protoss and terran cheese.

On April 29 2012 06:25 Diamond wrote:


Serious? .......

It's a signature since Blizzard has banned any in map advertising. I'd much prefer "ESV" signs around the map but that's not allowed. Also isn't a game about having fun? Why are you trying to take the fun out of the game ?

On April 29 2012 10:40 GDR wrote:


But doesn't this map clearly have "ESV" written on it? And then Metropolis has GSL in the center. Does Blizzard just have certain exceptions (GSL), and the ESV label will have to be removed from this map before it is published?

Don't get me wrong I love the space shark, and am not at all against it.

On April 29 2012 10:15 monitor wrote:


While I do agree that this map is too standard and/or boring, its funny that you say "these Korean maps" because this is made by the same korean who made Calm Before the Storm, XelNaga Fortress, and the updated version of Crossfire.

On April 29 2012 19:56 DYEAlabaster wrote:


You mean the unanimously most reviled maps in GSL history?

PS, he also made Crevasse, which, while proving that backdoor expos are always bad, wasn't terrible.

On April 29 2012 19:56 DYEAlabaster wrote:
You mean the unanimously most reviled maps in GSL history?

PS, he also made Crevasse, which, while proving that backdoor expos are always bad, wasn't terrible.

On April 29 2012 23:41 thurst0n wrote:
I'm not sure the people calling for more innovation really know what they want, in my opinion this map looks very playable, at first glance I think the strongest player will win almost every time.

When I see someone say a map is boring to me it screams exciting starcraft. The map is just the field, as long as it serves it's purpose, which this map will, why the complaints? People complaining should offer specific constructive criticism, so they should say a piece of map they dont like, or something that should be added. Blanket general statements with nothing to back them up help no one.

I think anyone who says this map is "TOO standard" or TOO boring should make their own map and post it.

On April 30 2012 00:48 Yonnua wrote:
The only issue I see with the shark is that it looks out of place in some environments. Other than that it serves more good than harm.

OT: I like the map. There's definitely room for maps which, although they don't completely change the game, are just very solid. This is one of those maps. If every map innovated completely then no other maps would ever benefit from that innovation, because they'd just move on again. We need some stability in map-making. Solid maps like this are good.

On April 29 2012 22:32 Aunvilgod wrote:


So do you want innovation and different stuff like backdoor expos or do you want normal, "boring" maps like this one?

On April 30 2012 04:47 DYEAlabaster wrote:


I want a middle of the road approach. Make a playable, well balanced and fun map, but don't remake the same map with pretty aesthetics for the x-hundredth time, which is what I consider ESV to predominantly do.

On April 30 2012 05:10 monitor wrote:


Just wait until you see some of our new releases

And also.... backdoor expos are not always terrible

On April 30 2012 05:19 DYEAlabaster wrote:



Perhaps in the long term of SC2 meta they won't be, but for now, you won't show me one example of it not being awful.

On April 30 2012 06:43 draumr wrote:
You have yet to add anything to the discussion of this map, other than its too boring, and that the map maker's attempts at innovating weren't good enough for you. Seriously, if making maps is so easy perhaps you should jump on it and show ESV how to do it, right?

On topic, I'm really interested to see how this map plays out, I have a feeling it won't play quite as standard as others are saying it will.

On May 24 2012 18:25 eloist wrote:
I think there are too many maps with all expansions hugging the edges of the map with 'my' potential bases as far away from 'your' potential bases as possible. There should be something to fight about on the map, resource wise. It doesn't have to be Jungle Basis but this is indeed a bit boring. Looking forward to how it plays out though.

On April 29 2012 03:04 Kaw wrote:


If ESV wants to come off as a childish organization that doesn't know when a joke has been beaten into the ground then be my guest and keep the space shark.

Map looks great otherwise though.

On April 30 2012 05:19 DYEAlabaster wrote:



Perhaps in the long term of SC2 meta they won't be, but for now, you won't show me one example of it not being awful.

On May 25 2012 00:02 Nuclease wrote:



Both of you (and all the people hating on the space shark) realize that it's an ESV trademark, right? All the ESV maps lately have a shark like that, whether a space or water shark. They're not just copying each other. It's to put a mark on the map to prevent infringement and to leave their signature on it.

On May 25 2012 09:23 lysergic wrote:
Will it be published soon? (NA)

On May 25 2012 11:04 Proseat wrote:
How did you come up with the name "Muspelheim"?

On April 28 2012 17:48 chocopaw wrote:
Can people please stop with the space sharks?^^
Other than that, hot stuff!

On May 29 2012 07:29 Timetwister22 wrote:
This map should now be published on NA, EU, KR, and SEA. Enjoy! :D