EPTThe Shark is fine.
[M] (2) ESV Muspelheim - Page 2
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Dizmaul
United States831 Posts
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IronManSC
United States2119 Posts
On April 29 2012 03:04 Kaw wrote: If ESV wants to come off as a childish organization that doesn't know when a joke has been beaten into the ground then be my guest and keep the space shark. There is nothing childish about an organization having a personal signature, which happens to be the space shark. In fact, if I recall correctly, it was there just for giggles at first, but the fans made it a scene because they loved it, thus we put it up for them. It's not what I would call a "mascot." You might think it's childish but the ESVSpaceShark twitter has 729 followers. People love it. Not everyone will and that may just be you. That's fine. A few examples of jokes beaten into the ground are chanting USA for stephano, google zerg rush, dustin browder destructible rocks, idra's "wub wub wub wub wub" music, or TLO's beard. | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On April 29 2012 03:59 IronManSC wrote: There is nothing childish about an organization having a personal signature, which happens to be the space shark. In fact, if I recall correctly, it was there just for giggles at first, but the fans made it a scene because they loved it, thus we put it up for them. It's not what I would call a "mascot." You might think it's childish but the ESVSpaceShark twitter has 729 followers. People love it. Not everyone will and that may just be you. That's fine. A few examples of jokes beaten into the ground are chanting USA for stephano, google zerg rush, dustin browder destructible rocks, idra's "wub wub wub wub wub" music, or TLO's beard. How dare you besmirch the eminence of TLO's beard. | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
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Gentso
United States2218 Posts
Seriously lacks innovation. Yep. I just don't see the point to maps like this anymore. They're well made for sure, but there's others out there that are similar and already proven. I think map makers should try to innovate like the Korean maps I've been seeing. Atlantis, Daybreak, Metropolis.. all provide fresh and unique games. On this map specifically, I'm not sure I understand why there's so much land behind the minerals of the natural. It's a direct connection to the main minerals which seems like it could be abused early game by Protoss and terran cheese. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10579 Posts
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Timetwister22
United States538 Posts
On April 29 2012 03:04 Kaw wrote: If ESV wants to come off as a childish organization that doesn't know when a joke has been beaten into the ground then be my guest and keep the space shark. Map looks great otherwise though. It's not a joke. It's a mascot. We are a mapmaking TEAM after all, and teams usually have mascots to represent them. As far as the map goes, the aesthetics are wonderful, and the map nicely emphasizes high ground control. Well done Jacky! ^^ | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On April 29 2012 03:04 Kaw wrote: If ESV wants to come off as a childish organization that doesn't know when a joke has been beaten into the ground then be my guest and keep the space shark. Map looks great otherwise though. Serious? ....... It's a signature since Blizzard has banned any in map advertising. I'd much prefer "ESV" signs around the map but that's not allowed. Also isn't a game about having fun? Why are you trying to take the fun out of the game  ? | ||
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DYEAlabaster
Canada1009 Posts
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monitor
United States2409 Posts
On April 29 2012 04:19 Gentso wrote: Yep. I just don't see the point to maps like this anymore. They're well made for sure, but there's others out there that are similar and already proven. I think map makers should try to innovate like the Korean maps I've been seeing. Atlantis, Daybreak, Metropolis.. all provide fresh and unique games. On this map specifically, I'm not sure I understand why there's so much land behind the minerals of the natural. It's a direct connection to the main minerals which seems like it could be abused early game by Protoss and terran cheese. While I do agree that this map is too standard and/or boring, its funny that you say "these Korean maps" because this is made by the same korean who made Calm Before the Storm, XelNaga Fortress, and the updated version of Crossfire. | ||
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GDR
Canada407 Posts
On April 29 2012 06:25 Diamond wrote: Serious? ....... It's a signature since Blizzard has banned any in map advertising. I'd much prefer "ESV" signs around the map but that's not allowed. Also isn't a game about having fun? Why are you trying to take the fun out of the game ?But doesn't this map clearly have "ESV" written on it? And then Metropolis has GSL in the center. Does Blizzard just have certain exceptions (GSL), and the ESV label will have to be removed from this map before it is published? Don't get me wrong I love the space shark, and am not at all against it. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On April 29 2012 10:40 GDR wrote: But doesn't this map clearly have "ESV" written on it? And then Metropolis has GSL in the center. Does Blizzard just have certain exceptions (GSL), and the ESV label will have to be removed from this map before it is published? Don't get me wrong I love the space shark, and am not at all against it. I have asked about the GSL in Metro and got no answer, it may be because GSL and Blizz partnerships. | ||
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DYEAlabaster
Canada1009 Posts
On April 29 2012 10:15 monitor wrote: While I do agree that this map is too standard and/or boring, its funny that you say "these Korean maps" because this is made by the same korean who made Calm Before the Storm, XelNaga Fortress, and the updated version of Crossfire. You mean the unanimously most reviled maps in GSL history? PS, he also made Crevasse, which, while proving that backdoor expos are always bad, wasn't terrible. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On April 29 2012 19:56 DYEAlabaster wrote: You mean the unanimously most reviled maps in GSL history? PS, he also made Crevasse, which, while proving that backdoor expos are always bad, wasn't terrible. So do you want innovation and different stuff like backdoor expos or do you want normal, "boring" maps like this one? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On April 29 2012 19:56 DYEAlabaster wrote: You mean the unanimously most reviled maps in GSL history? PS, he also made Crevasse, which, while proving that backdoor expos are always bad, wasn't terrible. At least he's tried to innovate, it doesn't always succeed. In fact, that sort of explains the direction he's taken with this map: simple, but just plain solid, which it is. The layout might be seen as standard and boring, but hey, it's his first ESV map, and that might have something to do with it. At least the aesthetics are amazing, awesome space platform trickery! I also love all the pipes  | ||
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thurst0n
United States611 Posts
When I see someone say a map is boring to me it screams exciting starcraft. The map is just the field, as long as it serves it's purpose, which this map will, why the complaints? People complaining should offer specific constructive criticism, so they should say a piece of map they dont like, or something that should be added. Blanket general statements with nothing to back them up help no one. I think anyone who says this map is "TOO standard" or TOO boring should make their own map and post it. | ||
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Gl!tch
United States573 Posts
 Im perfectly fine with standard maps that have small changes and innovations. such as the large amount of LOS blockers on this map. | ||
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
OT: I like the map. There's definitely room for maps which, although they don't completely change the game, are just very solid. This is one of those maps. If every map innovated completely then no other maps would ever benefit from that innovation, because they'd just move on again. We need some stability in map-making. Solid maps like this are good. | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
On April 29 2012 23:41 thurst0n wrote: I'm not sure the people calling for more innovation really know what they want, in my opinion this map looks very playable, at first glance I think the strongest player will win almost every time. When I see someone say a map is boring to me it screams exciting starcraft. The map is just the field, as long as it serves it's purpose, which this map will, why the complaints? People complaining should offer specific constructive criticism, so they should say a piece of map they dont like, or something that should be added. Blanket general statements with nothing to back them up help no one. I think anyone who says this map is "TOO standard" or TOO boring should make their own map and post it. You, sir, get it. ;D On April 30 2012 00:48 Yonnua wrote: The only issue I see with the shark is that it looks out of place in some environments. Other than that it serves more good than harm. OT: I like the map. There's definitely room for maps which, although they don't completely change the game, are just very solid. This is one of those maps. If every map innovated completely then no other maps would ever benefit from that innovation, because they'd just move on again. We need some stability in map-making. Solid maps like this are good. And so do you. Anyway this map isn't "too standard" by any means. Copious LosB in unusual places, and a tower setup that provides a devious attack route to "cut in" near the natural / 3rd over the little high ground strip. The army movement in an even game gone to 4 bases will be very dynamic. This is one of those maps that looks "meh" but has subtle depths. Compare to Daybreak which looks exciting but is actually cut and dried after the middle bases have been taken. (Not to disparage that map.) | ||
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clever_us
United States329 Posts
that's my take ^^ map looks downright fantastic | ||
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