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On October 10 2010 19:11 PaD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 19:00 Alpina wrote:On October 09 2010 21:17 MorroW wrote:
im trying to update the map as good as i can and i appriciate all feedback but yourself must understand that over 99% of times the player lost simply because of bad micro
Ok then please show us how to win with VR + 2 phoenixes vs. Queens or with 1 slow reaper vs. lings  Ehh, after some testing.. 1 reaper vs lings is possible but with some good micro and lack of micro from the zerg, make a circle with the reaper and target the lings 1 at the time not all of them.(-1 ling would be great.) ph + vr vs queens is very gimmick, you have dmg a queen 15% then lift both queens so the vr can finish 1 off. In worst case you will end with 2 ph vs 1 queen which you can win by waiting for energy. This depends on how early you lift or he heals, killing 1 queen before graviton ends.
Yeah that's the case. IF zerg just a moves his lings he will always win.
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On October 07 2010 14:04 Liveon wrote:
Something else is that I've read about 'Nexus word wars' here on the forum, but not found it on the EU server.
The micro-tournament is quite good, played it a few times yesterday, but it'll get boring because there're a lot of leavers.
I've played nexus word wars about 2 weeks back on EU, found it horribly boring so nvm searching for that
Micro Tournament is a pretty fun one idd 
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On October 10 2010 19:11 PaD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2010 19:00 Alpina wrote:On October 09 2010 21:17 MorroW wrote:
im trying to update the map as good as i can and i appriciate all feedback but yourself must understand that over 99% of times the player lost simply because of bad micro
Ok then please show us how to win with VR + 2 phoenixes vs. Queens or with 1 slow reaper vs. lings Ehh, after some testing.. 1 reaper vs lings is possible but with some good micro and lack of micro from the zerg, make a circle with the reaper and target the lings 1 at the time not all of them.(-1 ling would be great.) ph + vr vs queens is very gimmick, you have dmg a queen 15% then lift both queens so the vr can finish 1 off. In worst case you will end with 2 ph vs 1 queen which you can win by waiting for energy. This depends on how early you lift or he heals, killing 1 queen before graviton ends.
why would u even talk about an old version of the map 
the reaper vs ling is not imba )
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btw morrow, I understand what you're saying about having to think about micro etc, but some of the matchups are just theoretically impossible to win for one side if the other side doesn't fuck up tremendously. a good example of that is the ~10 hydras ~10 roach vs 2 colossus, like 6 stalkers and 4 sentries combo. there's just no way to win that if the other player doesn't directly send his 2 colossus to tank.
unless of course you're trying to reflect real game imbalances, in which case it's fine i guess, lol.
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On October 11 2010 01:05 heishe wrote:
btw morrow, I understand what you're saying about having to think about micro etc, but some of the matchups are just theoretically impossible to win for one side if the other side doesn't fuck up tremendously. a good example of that is the ~10 hydras ~10 roach vs 2 colossus, like 6 stalkers and 4 sentries combo. there's just no way to win that if the other player doesn't directly send his 2 colossus to tank.
unless of course you're trying to reflect real game imbalances, in which case it's fine i guess, lol.
this one actually works quite well if you just split teh zerg army in like 4+ groups and a-move from different sides. You don't have to focus the colossi if they can hit only two units at once.
I find the other one with infestors much worse. Most stupid one is lings vs fewer lings + queen, imho. I have never ever witnessed the queen win. Sure the queen can tank for better results but even in that case the lings won liek every game. If the queen doesn't tank it's just totally one sided.
Apart from that I dislike matchups where one side is not really allowed to micro and it only comes down to one player. Even if it might be balanced, it is super frustrating if the outcome depends only on what the other player does.
But still: Great GREAT! idea to make such a map. I really appreciate it and I'd love a version that is well balanced.
PS: The anit-camping does not seem to work properly. The SCVs+Marine can simply camp at a corner of the arean without being punished. Really frustrating imho.
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Mirror forces in mirror match ups would decrease whine ..
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Morrow, why don't you upload your map to the US server so I can play?>
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US would love this map :3
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Changes in v1.3 ? I didn't notice any so far.
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Maybe someone could help MorroW with the issues that occur when uploading to US? I might be able to help myself. Just would really like to see the real map on US.
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I played it for the first time today. It is a really nice map, but i think you should implement something to prevent situations where you can win with a burrowed unit waiting for energy.
Happened that one guy had a burrowed infestor with almost no energy and wanted to wait for energy to kill the two hydras of the other guy. Of course he could win that way but everybody has to wait for a very long time until that happens.
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this is tons of fun, but incredibly imbalanced lol
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On October 11 2010 10:43 aztrorisk wrote:
Morrow, why don't you upload your map to the US server so I can play?>
Read the thread, he already explained why it's not on the NA server.
With that being said, I'd really like to try this once it does come to NA server. There are literally no good micro maps on NA. They're all horribly imbalanced or really poorly made.
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it's actually on there, if you search
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Morrow some levels dont make any sense...And there is some level of that dont make any sense that is impossible to win...
3 zeas/sentry vs mass lings = Gl for toss if you dont camp you dead
stalkers vs lings/infestor = Toss dont even need to micro
There are more 4/5 that i dont remember right now.
Any ty for doing a micro map i already miss from bw. Now is just improve the map.
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I would like to complain against 4stalkers vs 2tanks/medivac. Its retardedly hard to micro the tanks while stalkers can be a-moved to win.
Oh and ling/bling vs marines w/o stim - how can you win that exactly? 90% of the player base cant win that.
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On October 12 2010 20:43 ddod wrote:
I would like to complain against 4stalkers vs 2tanks/medivac. Its retardedly hard to micro the tanks while stalkers can be a-moved to win.
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It's not that hard to micro the tanks. Boxer has been doing it for years... (lulz). It doesn't really matter if one has more micro tasks to do. 4 Stalkers still lose against well micro'd tanks/medivac with perfect micro, and if you micro badly the tank guy doesn't have to be close to prefect with the tank lifting.
it doesn't matter about 90% of the player base. Its about learning to micro properly. Good focus firing/spreading can get the job done.
I'd like to complain about queen/roach vs hydra/roach. In theory it works, but the hydra roach has like equal roaches but like 8 hydras bonus against 3 queens. Even used all 12 tranfusions perfectly, its still not possible to overcome a something like a 3:1 DPS deficient. If you added more roaches or at least made the army costs similar then it would be fair. (last time I checked 8 hydras cost 800/400 and 3 queens cost 450, so how could you possibly win??)
Hydra/roach vs colossus is fine really. Have a decent arc it actually requires intelligent forcefields to win.
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On October 08 2010 19:06 PaD wrote:
Reapers with nitro are imba vs zerglings
Pheonix vs hydra is funny bugged
Queens vs pheonix voidray is pretty much impossble
Reaper vs 5 lings without nitro is crazy
Marines vs zerglings just hug wall or move shoot and you cant lose
Its a great map but with many broken match ups.
agree with that..nice idea but needs some fixing...
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Well I think (as T) I won at least one time every matchup. Some are 90% win, others are 90% loss. Some require me to not fuck up, other requires the enemy to fuck up, and some seem even.
The hardest are for me : mmm+ghost vs toss (the 2 versions of it, with and without HT), normal reaper vs 5 lings
Easiest would be 2 siege tanks + marines vs lings banelings, marines vs zerglings, marines marauders vs zergling banelings
Even matches would be hellion/thor hellion/marauder vs roach ling, marauder vs warpgate, mmm+vikings vs warpgate colossus, mmm vikings vs warpgate voidray, speed reapers vs speedlings
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