[UMS][D] MorroW Micro Tournament

On October 07 2010 13:21 Techno wrote:
People don't really join many custom games other than "tug of war" and "defense" games. There has to be some sort of dota clone on the way

On October 08 2010 03:42 xZiGGY wrote:
2rines and a scv vs a zealot is not fair lol

On October 08 2010 06:28 ciaNo wrote:
6zerglings vs 1reapers w/o nitro packs its just impossible in such narrow place lol

On October 08 2010 03:50 Inkarnate wrote:


For who?

On October 08 2010 13:00 chuky500 wrote:
Most of the time it's a pack of 1a units against several types of units that require micro. 1 banshee vs like 5 marines isn't realistic. Or the 2 tanks 1 medivac against stalkers. Or the colossus sentries zealots against zerglings and hydralisks is insane. And you don't even have time to make control groups.

It's not really a competition it's more you against yourself. And it would be nice if you could change race.

On October 08 2010 03:55 Klive5ive wrote:
Morrows map is only fun for a while cos it's horribly balanced :S

But yeah, the general point about lack of decent UMS maps I agree with.

On October 08 2010 20:13 Riouh wrote:
rines vs zerglings. hug walls and you cant lose? srsly?

5 rines vs 20 lings. i tried hugging the wall
i tried rine splitting micro.
move fire with 1 lure.
without a lure.
they will take tiny bites out of the marines enckles every time and they just die.

On October 08 2010 19:06 PaD wrote:
Its a great map but with many broken match ups.

Reapers with nitro are imba vs zerglings
Pheonix vs hydra is funny bugged
Queens vs pheonix voidray is pretty much impossble
Reaper vs 5 lings without nitro is crazy
Marines vs zerglings just hug wall or move shoot and you cant lose

Its a great map but with many broken match ups.

On October 08 2010 21:09 Koshi wrote:


QFT
Except for the obvious broken match ups. There are also WAY too many match ups who require a simple a-click from 1 participant and a WTFBBQ micro-play by the other. It is not a tournament if 40% of the time you don't really have to micro.

On October 09 2010 12:18 travis wrote:
is this map on US server?
if not, can someone put it there

On October 09 2010 11:39 abraXas wrote:
New version of the map Micro Tournament 1.18 v1.2. He released it this night, maybe 2 hours ago.

On October 09 2010 21:17 MorroW wrote:

well thats more a false of blizzard now and not mine :p most of the levels i put in are common real game situations while others are more "made-up" and can seem more microoriented. you just need to find detail in you micro, just because you dont have a kiter spellcaster or a tank doesnt mean its impossible to micro, i can assure u nobody is microing any level perfectly yet




nope its not because it bugs up whenever i change server on it, all strings and in-editor labels get nameless

im trying to update the map as good as i can and i appriciate all feedback but yourself must understand that over 99% of times the player lost simply because of bad micro
just for anyone who is curious i added 2 new rounds for each non-mirror in the latest ver. currently all mirrored has 10 rounds and non-mirror has 13 rounds

On October 10 2010 01:26 PaD wrote:


Is there any way for protoss to win in pheonix vs hydras? if you target the graviton pheonix its over

On October 09 2010 21:17 MorroW wrote:
im trying to update the map as good as i can and i appriciate all feedback but yourself must understand that over 99% of times the player lost simply because of bad micro

On October 10 2010 19:00 Alpina wrote:


Ok then please show us how to win with VR + 2 phoenixes vs. Queens or with 1 slow reaper vs. lings

On October 10 2010 19:11 PaD wrote:


Ehh, after some testing.. 1 reaper vs lings is possible but with some good micro and lack of micro from the zerg, make a circle with the reaper and target the lings 1 at the time not all of them.(-1 ling would be great.)

ph + vr vs queens is very gimmick, you have dmg a queen 15% then lift both queens so the vr can finish 1 off. In worst case you will end with 2 ph vs 1 queen which you can win by waiting for energy. This depends on how early you lift or he heals, killing 1 queen before graviton ends.

On October 07 2010 14:04 Liveon wrote:
Something else is that I've read about 'Nexus word wars' here on the forum, but not found it on the EU server.
The micro-tournament is quite good, played it a few times yesterday, but it'll get boring because there're a lot of leavers.

On October 10 2010 19:11 PaD wrote:


Ehh, after some testing.. 1 reaper vs lings is possible but with some good micro and lack of micro from the zerg, make a circle with the reaper and target the lings 1 at the time not all of them.(-1 ling would be great.)

ph + vr vs queens is very gimmick, you have dmg a queen 15% then lift both queens so the vr can finish 1 off. In worst case you will end with 2 ph vs 1 queen which you can win by waiting for energy. This depends on how early you lift or he heals, killing 1 queen before graviton ends.

On October 11 2010 01:05 heishe wrote:
btw morrow, I understand what you're saying about having to think about micro etc, but some of the matchups are just theoretically impossible to win for one side if the other side doesn't fuck up tremendously. a good example of that is the ~10 hydras ~10 roach vs 2 colossus, like 6 stalkers and 4 sentries combo. there's just no way to win that if the other player doesn't directly send his 2 colossus to tank.

unless of course you're trying to reflect real game imbalances, in which case it's fine i guess, lol.

On October 11 2010 10:43 aztrorisk wrote:
Morrow, why don't you upload your map to the US server so I can play?>

On October 12 2010 20:43 ddod wrote:
I would like to complain against 4stalkers vs 2tanks/medivac. Its retardedly hard to micro the tanks while stalkers can be a-moved to win.

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On October 08 2010 19:06 PaD wrote:
Reapers with nitro are imba vs zerglings
Pheonix vs hydra is funny bugged
Queens vs pheonix voidray is pretty much impossble
Reaper vs 5 lings without nitro is crazy
Marines vs zerglings just hug wall or move shoot and you cant lose

Its a great map but with many broken match ups.

On October 07 2010 13:26 Kraz.Del wrote:


There already is one. Sotis.

On May 23 2011 03:24 iGrok wrote:
Question: Was that really worth a 7 month bump?

I know TLO is playing it a lot today, but still :/

Great map tho for sure.

On May 23 2011 12:22 tkRage wrote:
We need the updated version of this map, it's so unbelievably broken...

On May 22 2011 22:59 Whalecore wrote:
This map is awesome, only thing I dislike is when I spawn with 1 stalker vs 8(?) lings ^^ This matchup would be winnable for the zerg even with 2 stalkers I think.

On May 24 2011 05:44 Dimenus wrote:



I google'd around to see if i could find the updated version, but to no avail

On May 26 2011 23:03 GreEny K wrote:


That's because nobody updated the map yet.

On May 26 2011 23:13 MorroW wrote:

just to let you guys know the map got updated like a week ago but it will always be called 1.18 at the end regardless if i update it

the map is alot less broken than you'd think. i feel like the one microing better wins about 80% of the times. i dont have alot of time that i want to spend on balancing this but its a slow progresss and im probably not gonna stop looking at it as long as its as popular as it is now

thanks alot to everyone who is playing it but i hope u all can try find things you can improve upon in your game rather than blaming the matchup it gives you. just like real 1x1 gaming its the ideal mindset to become better

just wanna add that the only one updating the map would be me. a few of the new levels are designed by sjow and bischu. for example bischu designed the stalker vs 8 lings, he wanted 10 lings and sjow wanted 6 lings so i split the difference. both of them are progamers and still ahve such a different opinion how many lings there should be so its actually not that easy as it first seems to balance the matchups

On May 26 2011 21:44 Sek-Kuar wrote:


Sure you do, because in every else match Protoss just spawn with so many units that they just a-move and watch enemy micro crap out of him...

The most micro intensive P match is 1 phoenix vs 3 mutas, then need ~30 click there, in most other ~5 click is more than enuf.


I wonder, is there any channel for this? On EU, every day around ~16:00 cet it takes just few mins to get 14 players to game, there is a lot people plaing it, but other than that you wont find anyone... Id love to see that (for banning protoss before game )

On May 27 2011 00:29 r3tsa wrote:


If other races are dumb, then sure a-move for protoss is kinda enough.The one with 3 mutas vs 1 phoenix is kinda OP for mutas if uknow how to micro them.

Im 900+ master level protoss and my best score is to kill about 4 zerglings with a stalker, i find it ridiculous hard beause when zerg split lings it is kinda impossible to run around and recharge shield.

And if they aint dumd, then a-move is still enough.

We have actually done some testing, and most PvT and PvZ where are immortals/colo/ht can be won w/o using storm (idle hts), or with half of zealots just on a-move.

ZvZ, TvZ are ok. TvT is sometime kinda weird. PvP is quite fine too. But both PvZ and PvT are mostly just ridiculous.

On May 27 2011 21:57 Zeon0 wrote:
how to win the 3muta vs 1 phoenix? i tried it about 5 times and i was never close

On May 31 2011 01:32 edzwoo wrote:
Bump, map is up on NA now . Look for Micro Tournament and you'll see 1.18us.

On May 31 2011 09:19 duckii wrote:
How do you beat 2 stalker 1 zealot 2 probes with 2 marauder 1 hellion? I just cant win that

On May 31 2011 11:18 iTzAnglory wrote:
This map makes me laugh so much when I join, its so easy.

Storm vs Hydra, Protoss auto win
Muta/Corruptor vs Void Ray Phoenix- Zerg auto win if they're not retarded
Zealot vs Zergling- Protoss moves out = auto lose, Zerg engages Zealots lined up against border=autolose

On June 01 2011 05:13 r3tsa wrote:
It happens on EU too.

On June 01 2011 05:35 MorroW wrote:

not really. might be 1 or 2 levels that i typed incorrectly so units end up dying at wrong moments but i think you need to tell me which specific level it was so i can fix it
i know only the one with bc vs vikings where ur bc died if ur vikings died but i fixed that recently

On June 01 2011 00:07 r3tsa wrote:


Yea this one is pretty unwinable for me too, u must prevent zealot form hitting marauders, while u are killing stalkers, it is crazy.




Those are balanced i personally don't have problems with anything no matter the side.

On June 01 2011 05:35 MorroW wrote:

not really. might be 1 or 2 levels that i typed incorrectly so units end up dying at wrong moments but i think you need to tell me which specific level it was so i can fix it
i know only the one with bc vs vikings where ur bc died if ur vikings died but i fixed that recently

On June 02 2011 09:24 epikAnglory wrote:

Are you kidding me, try playing the Zealot vs Ling one against me, push out with your Zealots and see if you win. Or engage my Zealot wall along the border with your Zerglings. Muta Corruptor depends how good your opponent is, which for the most part most people that play this map are like in Gold. As long as you do not let the Void Rays charge up you should be fine.

Another annoying thing is in public games, everytime you win they say its imbalanced, and if it is a mirror, they just say its an unrealistic BS situation and that I lucked out.

On June 25 2011 09:17 lakemalcom wrote:
I heard about this map and wanted to play on the US server and found the locales were screwy and the text was as PARAM/BLAHBLAH0000. I went ahead and fixed it up as Micro Tournament 1.24 LOCALIZED. Hope to see some TLers in the customs! :D

On June 01 2011 07:51 Zedders wrote:
My friends and I play this all the time, and the zvx matchups are the funnest by far. I have a feeling morrow made the zerg matchups way harder just cuz he wants to look like a baller when he plays this.

zerglings and mutas vs thor, medivacs and marines.

WHAT THE HELL? This is the only one I can never win.

On August 16 2011 18:49 harhar! wrote:


there are way worse mus than this one. i saw some ppl win with zerg. but take a look at 2 zealots vs 3 rine 1 scv (poor t), 2 stalkers vs 5? marines(poor p), 3 tanks +rines vs infestor ling bling (way too hard for t) and some of the low unit tvp.

On August 16 2011 19:35 Ryuu2 wrote:


the 2 stalker vs 5 marine is possible, but pretty hard

On August 17 2011 01:25 hysterial wrote:


No its impossible. and its 7 marines not 5.

On August 17 2011 03:52 Goliathsorrow wrote:
The problem is that it mixes some battles that require a click from one side and 300 apms for the other.

Not everyone finds that funny.

On August 17 2011 17:27 Koshi wrote:

This. I really find this annoying. Every match-up is one guy having to do insane shit, while the other guy CAN'T micro and needs to a-move.

I played micro wars to the limit in Warcraft III, different games I guess.

On August 24 2011 01:01 eNtitY~ wrote:
There is way to many matchups that require 1 person to have insane control and 300 APM and then the other guy just a-moves. :/

The large Protoss mirror where 1 has Collosi and 1 has a warp prism and 2 immortals is kind of stupid. Especially if the Collosi just a-moves instantly and you can never really get positioned.

1 Stalker vs 8 lings is lame, never have enough space to do it.

3 Marines 2 zealots is damn near impossible for the terran, especially the average players who play this game.

3 Stalkers vs 2 tanks and a medivac basically puts the ball in the terrans court. He has to mess up on his pickup/drop micro badly to lose this.

2 Zealots and 3 sentries vs like 16 speed lings is also another scenario where the protoss should never win. Bait the FF's then run in. Even if the toss gets amazing ff placement the Z just runs back till they're gone then comes and rapes it. Especially without being able to camp in the corner I dont see this one being possible unless the Z is very bad.

Can't think of anything else atm.

On August 17 2011 01:25 hysterial wrote:


No its impossible. and its 7 marines not 5.

On August 24 2011 02:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
2)2 zealots vs 3 marines, terran needs 300apm to do this, never seen terran win it, possible but hard.

On August 30 2011 15:33 RedThor wrote:


I just won this one, just keep your marines spread out and on different hotkeys, should be able to have at least 1 marine firing most of the time while taking basically no Zealot hits.

On March 08 2013 16:05 MorroW wrote:
there are plans to do a hots update (big one) along with following patchnotes, hopefully more frequently than throughout wol

On March 08 2013 16:05 MorroW wrote:
there are plans to do a hots update (big one) along with following patchnotes, hopefully more frequently than throughout wol

On March 11 2013 00:17 MorroW wrote:
a rather large update has been made to the wol version to prepare for hots