[Map] Torrasque - Page 6

On July 01 2010 05:36 XBLancer wrote:
Tarrasque: Beast from D&D role-playing game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarrasque_(Dungeons_&_Dragons)

Torrasque: Starcraft Hero Ultralisk unit that occasionally haunts my nightmares.

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Torrasque

Awesome map though, although wouldn't Terran have a huge advantage economically since they can use MULES?

On July 01 2010 05:57 Lucius2 wrote:
1 permanent mule roughly equals 6 workers, well terran doesnt need to pay money+supply for these 6 workers zerg and protoss need to equalize with terran incomewise... it gets worse with more expansions and more orbital commdands...

On July 01 2010 06:14 Lucius2 wrote:
well ye scv production is the slowest idd, thing is: terran DOESNT need so many scvs because of the mule. he has to pay once 150 for orbital command and then basically gets 6 free workes (300mins, 6 supply). and to the point of getting mined out: theres always the possibility of flying a cc to a (gold) expo and drop tons of mules resulting in massive income without even dangering a single one of your scvs.

On July 01 2010 06:14 Lucius2 wrote:
well ye scv production is the slowest idd, thing is: terran DOESNT need so many scvs because of the mule. he has to pay once 150 for orbital command and then basically gets 6 free workes (300mins, 6 supply). and to the point of getting mined out: theres always the possibility of flying a cc to a (gold) expo and drop tons of mules resulting in massive income without even dangering a single one of your scvs.

On July 01 2010 06:39 ItsTheFark wrote:
Could you make it so that the ultralisk respawns after every 2 minutes or so? so that if its killed early on it isn't gone forever.

On July 01 2010 07:12 Logo wrote:
I don't think Lucius is explaining it well, but he does have a point (though I disagree that it's OP).

Following your guide above MorroW Terran base + Orbital = 1.1x Zerg/Protoss base. If that's the entire story it's balanced. The terran is getting 1.1x the mineral income of the other races just like with blue bases.

The problem is when it's multiple bases.

Terran doesn't get 1.1x Blue base income + 1.1x Gold base income of Protoss/Zerg. They get 1.0x Blue base income + 1.2x Gold base income of Protoss/Zerg because they can drop 2 bases of MULES on the gold. So it is a step above the other races in that respect.

On the flip side MULES + gold will drain the natural really really fast and with the macro oriented nature of your map there's a good chance the 3 basing zerg or the protoss chronoboosting probes will still come out ahead.

On July 01 2010 07:03 Lucius2 wrote:
a fully (over) saturated 8 blue patch base with normal workers gives around 860-900 income. i think a 6 gold expo gives 10% more income then a 8 patch blue (there was some thread about this stuff some time ago) and needs less workers. during the time 1 mule is harvesting u get like 180 bonus income (=270 mins) on a blue and like 250 bonus income (=380 mins) on a gold. so lets say u drop 4 mules at a gold + having it fully saturated u'll get 1000 bonus income for that time (u'll get extra 1500mins at the gold just from the 4 mules). there is no possible way other races can catch up with these 1500 free minerals u just got there while having the same amount of real workers.

and harvesting minerals faster, but being depleted earlier cannot be a disadvantage ~.~

On July 01 2010 08:01 Lucius2 wrote:
well i maybe indeed explained it a bit crappy and ofc u have to check the overall situation with scans etc..., but alone the pure theory,i'll try to make it clear now:

blue mule = 270 bonus minerals, gold mule = 270 + 40% = 378 bonus mins

so when u drop 4 mules u'll get 4*378 = 1512 bonus minerals from a gold after all the mules died.

sure u have to wait for orbital command to finish and it costs 150, but its not like u could only drop 1 mule. especially lategame where worker production isnt that important anymore, because the available bases are fully saturated, then taking a new expo and dropping tons of mules is rediculous (esp on a gold).

thats why i say mules need a cooldown just like spawn larva. even chrono boost has some kinda cooldown since u cannot put it on a certain building for increased or longer effect.

On July 01 2010 06:51 MorroW wrote:

im no genious at math but i dont understand what the fuzz is about with mules on gold. normal workers mine just as much faster as mules does so i dont see how the whole mule changes so much. sure terran would get alittle more minerals of their mule but think about it this way. lets say toss and zerg gets X income from a base and terran gets X*1.1 cause of the mule. it doesnt matter if its on gold or not terran is still gonna get this *1.1 regardless if its on gold or blue or am i wrong? i guess is only true if the gold would have some amount of minerals which is not the case here. so i guess thats the little bonus money comes from, but its not alot to be honest lol.


no, thats custom editing and i dont like the idea in the first place. just like destructible rocks i want it to be gone after destroyed ^^

On July 01 2010 08:49 ItsTheFark wrote:


Well, then you are allowing a zerg player to quickly take out the ultralisk, and plant spine crawlers on the creep that is normally there with no consequence. If possible, I would suggest just manually increasing the ultras speed and removing the creep in general, as it gives zerg just a slight unfair advantage.