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Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
December 01 2008 12:38 GMT
#621
I think too that Bisu should be ranked above Stork now. When Bisu won the MSL,even I said that Stork should retain the top spot,because he didn't play as many games. Well,now he did,and he is losing every second match he plays,and in his strongest MU! Bisu had a bad loss against Tazza,but he is much more solid in PL now than Stork,slaying every zerg player he can get his hands on,and winning an Ace match,while Stork only lost won. I don't care that Srotk was more dominant last month,this is this month,where Bisu is just more dominant than Stork.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 01 2008 15:19 GMT
#622
I dont think there is enough information to call a split between bisu/stork

Stork ravaged keke and lost a VERY close game to pusan (who was 5-0 on colo) and lost again to + Show Spoiler +
Movie
. Bisu lose to tazza and killed calm/yarnc (one of which is impressive, the other not so). Very difficult to make a call here =/
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Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
December 01 2008 15:36 GMT
#623
The only problem is that Stork lost to Calm too. A player that Bisu eats for breakfest. Otherwise neither of them beat great players in the PL,but Stork lost more than he should have. He also lost to Kal in an Ace match. There is only loss Bisu has suffered that you can't explain-the one vs Tazza,while Stork has more. True,it is not a shame to lose to guys like Kal,Pusan and the most recent,but Stork is considered to be the best PvP player,and that is also his strongest MU. If he loses so much in that matchup,and his P v Z is not top notch,you can't put him on the first place IMO. If he would be the best player,he wouldn't lose so much.
traced
Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
December 01 2008 15:45 GMT
#624
bisu has looked a lot better in the last week or so but...it's only been a few games. like plexa said, tough call
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
December 01 2008 16:18 GMT
#625
I would call bisus screw up vs Tazza insignificant because he won the Ace afterwords
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
traced
Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
December 01 2008 16:21 GMT
#626
he didn't even play bad against tazza imo
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
December 01 2008 16:29 GMT
#627
On December 02 2008 01:21 traced wrote:
he didn't even play bad against tazza imo

I'm not sure about that but at least he is making PvZ look imba once again...or at least on Medusa
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
December 01 2008 19:51 GMT
#628
On December 01 2008 21:38 Darth Peter wrote:
I think too that Bisu should be ranked above Stork now. When Bisu won the MSL,even I said that Stork should retain the top spot,because he didn't play as many games. Well,now he did,and he is losing every second match he plays,and in his strongest MU! Bisu had a bad loss against Tazza,but he is much more solid in PL now than Stork,slaying every zerg player he can get his hands on,and winning an Ace match,while Stork only lost won. I don't care that Srotk was more dominant last month,this is this month,where Bisu is just more dominant than Stork.

wait..bisu beats calm once and calm is bisu's bitch now? not true.
but yeah stork definitely needs to step it up (though your transitive property doesn't work, you can't say bisu>calm>stork)
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-01 20:14:21
December 01 2008 20:10 GMT
#629
Bisu beat Calm three times this month and lost once. My claim is just as ridicoulos as when you said Stork eats Luxury for breakfast. I am not saying it based on the fact that Bisu beat Calm,and Stork lost to him. I didn't say a word when Bisu won MSL and Stork lost to Calm. But only look at the stats. Bisu is 3-2,Stork is 2-4. Not a significant difference between the two,but they are so close,that it matters. Also,at this point,we have to remember Bisu won MSL THIS month,not last month. His two losses this month in PL: One was against Free whom he owned two days before,and he was preparing for the Finals( we can say this just as legitimately as it was said that Stork lost to Kal because he was preparing for the OSL). Losing to Calm is not a shame. Not even losing to Kal and Pusan,and I have watched movie,and I thought he is pretty good in PvP. But these losses are too much. If you truly are the best player on the World,these losses are not forgiveable. If you are better than everyone else,you shouldn't lose this much. Bisu loses sometimes,too,but he didn't lose an ace match this month,while Stork lost two of them. It is really tough tho. Moments like these I am happy that I don't write the PR. If you put Stork no1,Bisu fans will cry. If you put Bisu,Stork fans will cry. I promise,I will shut the fuck up,no matter whom you put no1. But I say Bisu is slightly,really just slightly better than Stork right now.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-01 21:40:57
December 01 2008 21:39 GMT
#630
More than slightly actually, Bisu will eat the babies of every zerg out there but this doesnt actually matter, stork should keep the top spot till he is eventually out of gom or do a beastly losing streak in PL (and ofc Bisu wins GOM or go further than stork)
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 01 2008 21:44 GMT
#631
Looking at recent events, I think that Bisu should be #1 now.

Stork won an arguably harder OSL. Bisu won an arguably easier MSL, but won it only dropping like 3 games.

Stork has been doing fine in GOM, and so has Bisu. Stork 2-0ed Nal_keke, Bisu 2-1ed Calm.

Since Stork's OSL win, in Proleague he has gone 2-4 (beaten Sunny and Jaehoon, lost to Kal, Pusan, Calm, and + Show Spoiler +
Movie (wtf)
).
Since Bisu's MSL win, in Proleague he has gone 2-1 (beaten Calm and Yarnc, losing to Tazza (wtf)).

Right now, there are really only two main differences. One, Stork has been racking up losses in PL, and Bisu's MSL was more recent. The combination of these two things should make Bisu #1 now IMHO.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
December 02 2008 02:07 GMT
#632
On December 02 2008 06:39 disciple wrote:
More than slightly actually, Bisu will eat the babies of every zerg out there but this doesnt actually matter, stork should keep the top spot till he is eventually out of gom or do a beastly losing streak in PL (and ofc Bisu wins GOM or go further than stork)
Sorry, thats not how the pr works.

"xx should be number 1 until they crash and burn miserably"

um...no. Stork has had an easy gom run, nothing in it has really suggested that his form is different to what his PL games have suggested- as in, still good, but sorta lacking in places. Lacking in enough places to get booted off to Bisu.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
December 02 2008 02:22 GMT
#633
On December 02 2008 11:07 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2008 06:39 disciple wrote:
More than slightly actually, Bisu will eat the babies of every zerg out there but this doesnt actually matter, stork should keep the top spot till he is eventually out of gom or do a beastly losing streak in PL (and ofc Bisu wins GOM or go further than stork)
Sorry, thats not how the pr works.

"xx should be number 1 until they crash and burn miserably"

um...no. Stork has had an easy gom run, nothing in it has really suggested that his form is different to what his PL games have suggested- as in, still good, but sorta lacking in places. Lacking in enough places to get booted off to Bisu.

so basically, bisu hasn't done anything more impressive than stork besides having a better record in PL. it's not enough to overtake the spot yet, considering they are both doing well in GOM. they are too close at the moment, so let's leave it alone until the new osl/msl seasons start. okay? unless bisu keeps advancing in gom and winning pl matches, while stork drops out. that hasn't happened yet and stork losing a couple more pl games isn't sufficient to justify him losing the number one spot after winning one of the toughest osl titles. there will be plenty of chances for bisu to get it. it's premature to make any changes yet.
Kula
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States140 Posts
December 02 2008 02:31 GMT
#634
On November 23 2008 11:31 OneOther wrote:

I am under the bias that Stork is better than Bisu regardless of results? GO READ WHAT I SAID MULTIPLE TIMES. I said that although I think Stork's OSL is much better than Bisu's MSL, Bisu _WILL_ take the #1 spot if he keeps it up while Stork continues dropping games in PL and others. Do you not understand that? How is that assuming Stork is the better player regardless of results?

Here, I will lay it out nice and easy for you:
1) Previous achievement has always counted in the next month's, meaning: the player below has to do something greater OR the #1 player has to start under performing.
2) Stork's OSL > Bisu's MSL
3) Bisu will take #1 if he keeps playing the way he is, while Stork keeps getting the L's.

So how many more games does Stork gotta lose?
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
December 02 2008 02:34 GMT
#635
i think my post above answers your question
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-02 02:37:51
December 02 2008 02:36 GMT
#636
On December 02 2008 11:22 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2008 11:07 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On December 02 2008 06:39 disciple wrote:
More than slightly actually, Bisu will eat the babies of every zerg out there but this doesnt actually matter, stork should keep the top spot till he is eventually out of gom or do a beastly losing streak in PL (and ofc Bisu wins GOM or go further than stork)
Sorry, thats not how the pr works.

"xx should be number 1 until they crash and burn miserably"

um...no. Stork has had an easy gom run, nothing in it has really suggested that his form is different to what his PL games have suggested- as in, still good, but sorta lacking in places. Lacking in enough places to get booted off to Bisu.

so basically, bisu hasn't done anything more impressive than stork besides having a better record in PL. it's not enough to overtake the spot yet, considering they are both doing well in GOM. they are too close at the moment, so let's leave it alone until the new osl/msl seasons start. okay? unless bisu keeps advancing in gom and winning pl matches, while stork drops out. that hasn't happened yet and stork losing a couple more pl games isn't sufficient to justify him losing the number one spot after winning one of the toughest osl titles. there will be plenty of chances for bisu to get it. it's premature to make any changes yet.
No, I'm sorry, Stork does not have to have a big blow out to lose his rank. Stork and Bisu's placement were ALWAYS neck and neck, and only you denied this. If Stork drops his play, even if ever so slightly, and Bisu remains at the level he was, or in fact goes higher, that is enough to give the edge to Bisu.

Guess what happened?

I'm not saying Bisu *SHOULD* get the number one spot. I think he should, I think there is enough legitimacy for it. That doesn't mean it has to happen or its a miserable decision, or that it will happen. To just wave your hand away and say "nah" as if there is no legitimate argument, at this very moment, is stupid.
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Kula
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States140 Posts
December 02 2008 02:37 GMT
#637
Ah, I see, it went from "if he loses more proleague games to "lets wait until next season". Sure! You answered my question.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-02 02:46:28
December 02 2008 02:40 GMT
#638
On December 02 2008 11:37 Kula wrote:
Ah, I see, it went from "if he loses more proleague games to "lets wait until next season". Sure! You answered my question.

no, it went from if he keeps dropping pl/other games to let's wait til he keeps dropping pl/other games (such as gom). and you forgot my other part that bisu has to clearly play better than him. if you were looking for a magical number of losses to bring stork down, then i can't help you, sorry. it's all relative.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-02 03:08:50
December 02 2008 02:45 GMT
#639
On December 02 2008 11:36 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2008 11:22 OneOther wrote:
On December 02 2008 11:07 Dazed_Spy wrote:
On December 02 2008 06:39 disciple wrote:
More than slightly actually, Bisu will eat the babies of every zerg out there but this doesnt actually matter, stork should keep the top spot till he is eventually out of gom or do a beastly losing streak in PL (and ofc Bisu wins GOM or go further than stork)
Sorry, thats not how the pr works.

"xx should be number 1 until they crash and burn miserably"

um...no. Stork has had an easy gom run, nothing in it has really suggested that his form is different to what his PL games have suggested- as in, still good, but sorta lacking in places. Lacking in enough places to get booted off to Bisu.

so basically, bisu hasn't done anything more impressive than stork besides having a better record in PL. it's not enough to overtake the spot yet, considering they are both doing well in GOM. they are too close at the moment, so let's leave it alone until the new osl/msl seasons start. okay? unless bisu keeps advancing in gom and winning pl matches, while stork drops out. that hasn't happened yet and stork losing a couple more pl games isn't sufficient to justify him losing the number one spot after winning one of the toughest osl titles. there will be plenty of chances for bisu to get it. it's premature to make any changes yet.


No, I'm sorry, Stork does not have to have a big blow out to lose his rank. Stork and Bisu's placement were ALWAYS neck and neck, and only you denied this. If Stork drops his play, even if ever so slightly, and Bisu remains at the level he was, or in fact goes higher, that is enough to give the edge to Bisu.

Guess what happened?

I'm not saying Bisu *SHOULD* get the number one spot. I think he should, I think there is enough legitimacy for it. That doesn't mean it has to happen or its a miserable decision, or that it will happen. To just wave your hand away and say "nah" as if there is no legitimate argument, at this very moment, is stupid.

first of all, i never denied that stork and bisu were neck and neck. only reason why i initially said stork should be above was that he had a tougher road in osl than bisu's msl. look, i do see a legitimate case for bisu being number one but i just don't think it's enough at the moment. i know i said a couple weeks ago that stork needs to slow down while bisu keeps it up, but is stork dropping couple games in pl really enough? i guess i never set a standard for what qualifies as "slowing down," but it's just not sufficient yet in my opinion. i never blew off your argument - i acknowledge there really is a valid argument for bisu taking the top spot. if stork dropped out of gom, for example, while bisu advanced through, then yeah bisu should definitely be number one. that didn't happen, and i am saying let's wait a little more before we make any further decisions.
Kula
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States140 Posts
December 02 2008 02:49 GMT
#640
If they are neck and neck, like you said, even a proleague record should justify who gets #1 and #2.
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