EPTPower Rank 11/10/2008 - Page 30
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
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disciple
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 30 2008 20:45 Phradamon wrote: Actually i think Best sucks by itself and its not the stupid rule because he cant live up to the standards or expectations. Last season SKT werent allowed to play in GSL and what Best did? Choke on OSL kneeing in front of  July. Or what  Bisu did last season? Being humiliated by almost every zerg he encountered and being outplayed by Luxury in the ACE match vs OGN and wasting the chance of getting to finals.Best simply sucks, only the myth is about him. "The god of pvp" lost to Stork and was outplayed by Tempest and Ynyeon (or whatever his name is) who are not top players. Next PR Best should be way under Kal, or free, or JD or  Flash.Also, i disagree with FS: PR is not about being spectacular but having good results and being spectacular same time. It is enough to remember the dispute about Best vs LuCifer or LuCifer vs Pure last season when LuCifer had similar streaks with those two, and was pure fun to watch (mass templar drops etc) and he never was in PR.GOD, how can someone write so many nonsenses in a single comment? That's an innate talent, isnt it? EDIT: i just posted a link, previous page, where you can see Best is laughing his ass off, he didnt give a shit about MSL prelim. | ||
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disciple
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
Jaedong just payed TERRIBLY against Tempest and lost 1-2. With that, there is no justification for Jaedong being above either Jangbi or free. Neither of these two protoss have played anywhere near as bad in recent weeks as Jaedong played against Tempest. Hell, there's a strong case for Kal as well. Shameful, Jaedong. Shaaaaaaaameful. | ||
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
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Magic84
Russian Federation1381 Posts
On November 30 2008 21:44 Geo.Rion wrote: GOD, how can someone write so many nonsenses in a single comment? That's an innate talent, isnt it? EDIT: i just posted a link, previous page, where you can see Best is laughing his ass off, he didnt give a shit about MSL prelim. He clearly cries at the very end of the video. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On November 30 2008 21:44 Geo.Rion wrote: EDIT: i just posted a link, previous page, where you can see Best is laughing his ass off, he didnt give a shit about MSL prelim. well you better watch this video again because he was crying his ass off | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 30 2008 22:56 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: well you better watch this video again because he was crying his ass off man, it must be just me, but i still see him laughing | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
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Phradamon
Romania191 Posts
Flash and Best recently. Flash has recovered, but Best still lose to noname players, just like JD.On the other hand, look at the maps: the zergs have no chance. Someone said before that all zergs have tough times these days, what the map records say, FS? How do you explain alot of protoss players invaded the PR? How do you explain noname tosses rip apart top zergs? Stork, Bisu, free, JangBi, Kal, Pusan are good but how about Tempest, SangHo, all beat top or good zergs?Now take a look at EffOrt or ZerO. They are on a good results, but none played with a toss for months. Saint won with HerO and BackHo but lost to slumping Much. RorO is one of the best players on WeMade FOX and lost to tosses. Calm, one of top form zergs still dropped 3 games vs p and won only 2. hyvaa is 1-2 vs p this month. Lux in 0-2, losing to fucking Spear. Jaehoon's only victory in last 5 games is vs zerg.JD, Lux, Yarnc, Kwanro all lost 60-70% of their matchups played recently with tosses. God dammit, even TT almost beat sAviOr and had 4 times more army than sAviOr when sAviOr distroyed his pylon...OversKy lonely is on 5-2 vs p last 2 months.And here comes Best: losses to Hwasin who cant do tvp lolAbout Best above JD in PR the figures say it all: JD- 8- 4 (including GSL)and Best is 4-4 november (including MSL Survivor). Both losing to Tempest, who now is on better shape than Best with 5-3.Am i right or am i right? On one hand we have alot of tosses doing good and alot of zergs doing bad. And from all the tosses in the world, 2 are doing bad: Best and Much. Capisci?About LuCifer, you didnt get my message. You said PR is about playing well. LuCifer is a bad player. But at that time he was on a good streak just as Best and Pure. Best was on OSL and with good results on PL. Pure was only on PL. LuCifer was on one classic league, GSL and playing good on PL. He was spectacular and he had good results. And still he wasnt on PR which contradicts with your idea of "playing well". If you think by playing well means only long macro game its your problem. Starcraft is not just about macro (with Best having only mechanics and not having mind- games with July and Stork explain all of this) its also about being innovative, knowing when and how to cheese, the "smartiness" we all love from BoxeR and Nal_rA. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On December 01 2008 02:24 Phradamon wrote: JD beat both Flash and Best recently. Flash has recovered, but Best still lose to noname players, just like JD.On the other hand, look at the maps: the zergs have no chance. Someone said before that all zergs have tough times these days, what the map records say, FS? How do you explain alot of protoss players invaded the PR? How do you explain noname tosses rip apart top zergs? Stork, Bisu, free, JangBi, Kal, Pusan are good but how about Tempest, SangHo, all beat top or good zergs?Now take a look at EffOrt or ZerO. They are on a good results, but none played with a toss for months. Saint won with HerO and BackHo but lost to slumping Much. RorO is one of the best players on WeMade FOX and lost to tosses. Calm, one of top form zergs still dropped 3 games vs p and won only 2. hyvaa is 1-2 vs p this month. Lux in 0-2, losing to fucking Spear. Jaehoon's only victory in last 5 games is vs zerg.JD, Lux, Yarnc, Kwanro all lost 60-70% of their matchups played recently with tosses. God dammit, even TT almost beat sAviOr and had 4 times more army than sAviOr when sAviOr distroyed his pylon...OversKy lonely is on 5-2 vs p last 2 months.And here comes Best: losses to Hwasin who cant do tvp lolAbout Best above JD in PR the figures say it all: JD- 8- 4 (including GSL)and Best is 4-4 november (including MSL Survivor). Both losing to Tempest, who now is on better shape than Best with 5-3.Am i right or am i right? On one hand we have alot of tosses doing good and alot of zergs doing bad. And from all the tosses in the world, 2 are doing bad: Best and Much. Capisci?About LuCifer, you didnt get my message. You said PR is about playing well. LuCifer is a bad player. But at that time he was on a good streak just as Best and Pure. Best was on OSL and with good results on PL. Pure was only on PL. LuCifer was on one classic league, GSL and playing good on PL. He was spectacular and he had good results. And still he wasnt on PR which contradicts with your idea of "playing well". If you think by playing well means only long macro game its your problem. Starcraft is not just about macro (with Best having only mechanics and not having mind- games with July and Stork explain all of this) its also about being innovative, knowing when and how to cheese, the "smartiness" we all love from BoxeR and Nal_rA.Best still is a good player, His PvT is good, just Hwasin figured out his bo, on a t friendly map ( You have to change sometimes Best! archives into arbiter is cool, but after the first 10 matches becomes predictable). That's his greatest weakness, he's sticking with his builds. That's why he lost to Stork in OSL too. His stellar stat in PL cannot be denied. And i think you're right about the maps. The only maps where the zergs are beating toss are the old maps. Destination, Medusa (altough i dont find it imbalanced, Meduse is a great map), Chupung all have negative record for zergs against toss. Not talking about MSL maps which are terrible, as always (Byzantium? anyone?). However it's undeniable that the tosses are more in form, and the zergs are lacking dominant players. (Jaedong falling, the "rising stars" didnt rise just yet, Savior didnt come back yet). Almost the same goes for the Terrans, Fantasy didn't become the new terran emperor, Flash was pushed off from his road to Bonjwa quite long ago and didnt get back on it yet, the older terrans decided to not be in form for couple months (Nada, Iris, Midas, Hwasin). The lower level good terrans are pushed away by the medocre protosses (Really < Sangho etc) | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On December 01 2008 04:52 baubo wrote: The fact that zergs dominated the MSL preliminaries pokes a hole in the map imbalance theory causing the rise of protosses. People need to realize that the zergs are losing at the highest level because the best zergs aren't that good these days. It's because the Forge FE build eliminates the slight imbalance for zergs in ZvP and ZvT has always been slightly favored toward terran. However, the only way to tell if a player is good because he's good or because it's Maps/Builds is when that person wins against imbalanced maps and MUs. and builds. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On December 01 2008 04:52 baubo wrote: The fact that zergs dominated the MSL preliminaries pokes a hole in the map imbalance theory causing the rise of protosses. People need to realize that the zergs are losing at the highest level because the best zergs aren't that good these days. yes, the zergs dominated the prelims. Why? why... Because EVERY SINGLE TERRAN THAT COUNTS ALREADY QULIFIED! And the important part of the protoss race too. Terran: (T)Canata, (T)Dongrae, Fantasy, (T)firebathero*, (T)Flash, (T)fOrGG, (T)FrOzean, (T)go.go, (T)Hwasin, (T)Iris, (T)Leta, (T)Lomo, (T)Memory, (T)NaDa*, (T)RuBy, (T)Sea, (T)UpMagiC Protoss: (P)BackHo, (P)Bisu*, (P)Bul_T, free*, (P)HerO, (P)JangBi*, (P)Kal*, (P)Much, (P)Stork*, (P)Tempest Pls tell me who do you miss? Got someone? Go and chek out, they surely quilfied, like Midas, tester, Light, Baby. Ok, Best and Pusan are exceptions, it happens... | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On December 01 2008 00:22 IdrA wrote: i saw best in the waiting room after his match and he wasnt crying, didnt look like he had been either. he was laughing in disbelief and talking to his teammates. you were too right?  rape that noob next time | ||
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