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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
November 30 2008 11:56 GMT
#581
Lucifer is a fucking terrible player, if you don't understand that you are not qualified to talk about the PR
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
November 30 2008 12:09 GMT
#582
Best is terrible my ass. He is not in his top form right now,that's true,but look at his PL stats,he is very solid,he won crucial ace matches,and beaten top players. Yes,he should be below JD,Flash,Kal and Jangbi,but he is still a top player. He didn't qualify for the MSL. So fucking what? He is a seed in OSL,and the majority of players concentrate only on one league. And let's not even talk about Lucifer again,he had good results,but he never was a powerful player. He lost to the first good player he faced and then started choking really hard.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
November 30 2008 12:35 GMT
#583
how best should be below JD ?
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-30 12:46:34
November 30 2008 12:44 GMT
#584
On November 30 2008 20:45 Phradamon wrote:
Actually i think Best sucks by itself and its not the stupid rule because he cant live up to the standards or expectations.
Last season SKT werent allowed to play in GSL and what Best did? Choke on OSL kneeing in front of (Z)July. Or what (P)Bisu did last season? Being humiliated by almost every zerg he encountered and being outplayed by (Z)Luxury in the ACE match vs OGN and wasting the chance of getting to finals.

Best simply sucks, only the myth is about him. "The god of pvp" lost to (P)Stork and was outplayed by (P)Tempest and Ynyeon (or whatever his name is) who are not top players. Next PR Best should be way under (P)Kal, or (P)free, or JD or (T)Flash.

Also, i disagree with FS: PR is not about being spectacular but having good results and being spectacular same time. It is enough to remember the dispute about Best vs (P)LuCifer or (P)LuCifer vs (P)Pure last season when (P)LuCifer had similar streaks with those two, and was pure fun to watch (mass templar drops etc) and he never was in PR.


GOD, how can someone write so many nonsenses in a single comment? That's an innate talent, isnt it?


EDIT: i just posted a link, previous page, where you can see Best is laughing his ass off, he didnt give a shit about MSL prelim.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
November 30 2008 12:49 GMT
#585
n_DEAD_jaedong
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
November 30 2008 12:50 GMT
#586
+ Show Spoiler [GOM season 2 spoiler] +
Jaedong just payed TERRIBLY against Tempest and lost 1-2. With that, there is no justification for Jaedong being above either Jangbi or free. Neither of these two protoss have played anywhere near as bad in recent weeks as Jaedong played against Tempest. Hell, there's a strong case for Kal as well.

Shameful, Jaedong. Shaaaaaaaameful.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
November 30 2008 13:00 GMT
#587
I think it is not just Jaedong, he is still the best Z. It's just all the zergs are having extremely hard time as of late.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 30 2008 13:13 GMT
#588
This MSL is going to be interesting. Perhaps one of the young zergs, Calm, Saint, Great, Effort, etc. can step up and fill the void. I mean, protoss is my favorite race and all, but please, NO MORE PvPs!!
Meh
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
November 30 2008 13:21 GMT
#589
On November 30 2008 21:44 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2008 20:45 Phradamon wrote:
Actually i think Best sucks by itself and its not the stupid rule because he cant live up to the standards or expectations.
Last season SKT werent allowed to play in GSL and what Best did? Choke on OSL kneeing in front of (Z)July. Or what (P)Bisu did last season? Being humiliated by almost every zerg he encountered and being outplayed by (Z)Luxury in the ACE match vs OGN and wasting the chance of getting to finals.

Best simply sucks, only the myth is about him. "The god of pvp" lost to (P)Stork and was outplayed by (P)Tempest and Ynyeon (or whatever his name is) who are not top players. Next PR Best should be way under (P)Kal, or (P)free, or JD or (T)Flash.

Also, i disagree with FS: PR is not about being spectacular but having good results and being spectacular same time. It is enough to remember the dispute about Best vs (P)LuCifer or (P)LuCifer vs (P)Pure last season when (P)LuCifer had similar streaks with those two, and was pure fun to watch (mass templar drops etc) and he never was in PR.


GOD, how can someone write so many nonsenses in a single comment? That's an innate talent, isnt it?


EDIT: i just posted a link, previous page, where you can see Best is laughing his ass off, he didnt give a shit about MSL prelim.

He clearly cries at the very end of the video.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
November 30 2008 13:52 GMT
#590
the chanses for Zerg winning a SL this season reduced from minimal to almost zero.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
November 30 2008 13:56 GMT
#591
On November 30 2008 21:44 Geo.Rion wrote:
EDIT: i just posted a link, previous page, where you can see Best is laughing his ass off, he didnt give a shit about MSL prelim.


well you better watch this video again because he was crying his ass off
Terran & Potato Salad.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
November 30 2008 14:17 GMT
#592
On November 30 2008 22:56 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2008 21:44 Geo.Rion wrote:
EDIT: i just posted a link, previous page, where you can see Best is laughing his ass off, he didnt give a shit about MSL prelim.


well you better watch this video again because he was crying his ass off


man, it must be just me, but i still see him laughing
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
November 30 2008 15:22 GMT
#593
i saw best in the waiting room after his match and he wasnt crying, didnt look like he had been either. he was laughing in disbelief and talking to his teammates.
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Darth Peter
Profile Joined October 2008
Romania438 Posts
November 30 2008 15:26 GMT
#594
Okay,so there is no forgiveness to Jaedong anymore. I bothered explaining all his losses,but I just can't do it anymore. He clearly sucks now. I hope he comes back sometimes. Losing to Tempest? Holy shit! Free and Jangbi should clearly be above him. Kal too. And I can even see valid arguments about putting Best above him.
Phradamon
Profile Joined January 2008
Romania191 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-30 17:52:49
November 30 2008 17:24 GMT
#595
JD beat both (T)Flash and Best recently.
(T)Flash has recovered, but Best still lose to noname players, just like JD.

On the other hand, look at the maps: the zergs have no chance. Someone said before that all zergs have tough times these days, what the map records say, FS?
How do you explain alot of protoss players invaded the PR? How do you explain noname tosses rip apart top zergs? (P)Stork, (P)Bisu, free, (P)JangBi, (P)Kal, (P)Pusan are good but how about (P)Tempest, (P)SangHo, all beat top or good zergs?

Now take a look at (Z)EffOrt or (Z)ZerO. They are on a good results, but none played with a toss for months. (Z)Saint won with (P)HerO and (P)BackHo but lost to slumping (P)Much. (Z)RorO is one of the best players on WeMade FOX and lost to tosses. (Z)Calm, one of top form zergs still dropped 3 games vs p and won only 2. (Z)hyvaa is 1-2 vs p this month. Lux in 0-2, losing to fucking (P)Spear. (P)Jaehoon's only victory in last 5 games is vs zerg.

JD, Lux, Yarnc, (Z)Kwanro all lost 60-70% of their matchups played recently with tosses. God dammit, even (P)TT almost beat (Z)sAviOr and had 4 times more army than (Z)sAviOr when (Z)sAviOr distroyed his pylon...

(Z)OversKy lonely is on 5-2 vs p last 2 months.
And here comes Best: losses to (T)Hwasin who cant do tvp lol
About Best above JD in PR the figures say it all: JD- 8- 4 (including GSL)and Best is 4-4 november (including MSL Survivor). Both losing to (P)Tempest, who now is on better shape than Best with 5-3.

Am i right or am i right?

On one hand we have alot of tosses doing good and alot of zergs doing bad. And from all the tosses in the world, 2 are doing bad: Best and (P)Much. Capisci?

About (P)LuCifer, you didnt get my message. You said PR is about playing well. (P)LuCifer is a bad player. But at that time he was on a good streak just as Best and (P)Pure. Best was on OSL and with good results on PL. (P)Pure was only on PL. (P)LuCifer was on one classic league, GSL and playing good on PL. He was spectacular and he had good results. And still he wasnt on PR which contradicts with your idea of "playing well".

If you think by playing well means only long macro game its your problem. Starcraft is not just about macro (with Best having only mechanics and not having mind- games with (Z)July and (P)Stork explain all of this) its also about being innovative, knowing when and how to cheese, the "smartiness" we all love from (T)BoxeR and (P)Nal_rA.

I have the ultimate answer, i seek the ultimate question
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-30 18:37:42
November 30 2008 18:26 GMT
#596
On December 01 2008 02:24 Phradamon wrote:
JD beat both (T)Flash and Best recently.
(T)Flash has recovered, but Best still lose to noname players, just like JD.

On the other hand, look at the maps: the zergs have no chance. Someone said before that all zergs have tough times these days, what the map records say, FS?
How do you explain alot of protoss players invaded the PR? How do you explain noname tosses rip apart top zergs? (P)Stork, (P)Bisu, free, (P)JangBi, (P)Kal, (P)Pusan are good but how about (P)Tempest, (P)SangHo, all beat top or good zergs?

Now take a look at (Z)EffOrt or (Z)ZerO. They are on a good results, but none played with a toss for months. (Z)Saint won with (P)HerO and (P)BackHo but lost to slumping (P)Much. (Z)RorO is one of the best players on WeMade FOX and lost to tosses. (Z)Calm, one of top form zergs still dropped 3 games vs p and won only 2. (Z)hyvaa is 1-2 vs p this month. Lux in 0-2, losing to fucking (P)Spear. (P)Jaehoon's only victory in last 5 games is vs zerg.

JD, Lux, Yarnc, (Z)Kwanro all lost 60-70% of their matchups played recently with tosses. God dammit, even (P)TT almost beat (Z)sAviOr and had 4 times more army than (Z)sAviOr when (Z)sAviOr distroyed his pylon...

(Z)OversKy lonely is on 5-2 vs p last 2 months.
And here comes Best: losses to (T)Hwasin who cant do tvp lol
About Best above JD in PR the figures say it all: JD- 8- 4 (including GSL)and Best is 4-4 november (including MSL Survivor). Both losing to (P)Tempest, who now is on better shape than Best with 5-3.

Am i right or am i right?

On one hand we have alot of tosses doing good and alot of zergs doing bad. And from all the tosses in the world, 2 are doing bad: Best and (P)Much. Capisci?

About (P)LuCifer, you didnt get my message. You said PR is about playing well. (P)LuCifer is a bad player. But at that time he was on a good streak just as Best and (P)Pure. Best was on OSL and with good results on PL. (P)Pure was only on PL. (P)LuCifer was on one classic league, GSL and playing good on PL. He was spectacular and he had good results. And still he wasnt on PR which contradicts with your idea of "playing well".

If you think by playing well means only long macro game its your problem. Starcraft is not just about macro (with Best having only mechanics and not having mind- games with (Z)July and (P)Stork explain all of this) its also about being innovative, knowing when and how to cheese, the "smartiness" we all love from (T)BoxeR and (P)Nal_rA.




Best still is a good player, His PvT is good, just Hwasin figured out his bo, on a t friendly map ( You have to change sometimes Best! archives into arbiter is cool, but after the first 10 matches becomes predictable). That's his greatest weakness, he's sticking with his builds. That's why he lost to Stork in OSL too. His stellar stat in PL cannot be denied.

And i think you're right about the maps. The only maps where the zergs are beating toss are the old maps. Destination, Medusa (altough i dont find it imbalanced, Meduse is a great map), Chupung all have negative record for zergs against toss. Not talking about MSL maps which are terrible, as always (Byzantium? anyone?). However it's undeniable that the tosses are more in form, and the zergs are lacking dominant players. (Jaedong falling, the "rising stars" didnt rise just yet, Savior didnt come back yet).

Almost the same goes for the Terrans, Fantasy didn't become the new terran emperor, Flash was pushed off from his road to Bonjwa quite long ago and didnt get back on it yet, the older terrans decided to not be in form for couple months (Nada, Iris, Midas, Hwasin). The lower level good terrans are pushed away by the medocre protosses (Really < Sangho etc)
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 30 2008 19:52 GMT
#597
The fact that zergs dominated the MSL preliminaries pokes a hole in the map imbalance theory causing the rise of protosses. People need to realize that the zergs are losing at the highest level because the best zergs aren't that good these days.
Meh
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
November 30 2008 19:57 GMT
#598
On December 01 2008 04:52 baubo wrote:
The fact that zergs dominated the MSL preliminaries pokes a hole in the map imbalance theory causing the rise of protosses. People need to realize that the zergs are losing at the highest level because the best zergs aren't that good these days.

It's because the Forge FE build eliminates the slight imbalance for zergs in ZvP and ZvT has always been slightly favored toward terran.
However, the only way to tell if a player is good because he's good or because it's Maps/Builds is when that person wins against imbalanced maps and MUs. and builds.
Jaedong
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-30 20:09:03
November 30 2008 20:03 GMT
#599
On December 01 2008 04:52 baubo wrote:
The fact that zergs dominated the MSL preliminaries pokes a hole in the map imbalance theory causing the rise of protosses. People need to realize that the zergs are losing at the highest level because the best zergs aren't that good these days.


yes, the zergs dominated the prelims. Why? why... Because EVERY SINGLE TERRAN THAT COUNTS ALREADY QULIFIED! And the important part of the protoss race too.

Terran:
(T)Canata, (T)Dongrae, Fantasy, (T)firebathero*, (T)Flash,
(T)fOrGG, (T)FrOzean, (T)go.go, (T)Hwasin, (T)Iris,
(T)Leta, (T)Lomo, (T)Memory, (T)NaDa*, (T)RuBy,
(T)Sea, (T)UpMagiC


Protoss:
(P)BackHo, (P)Bisu*, (P)Bul_T, free*, (P)HerO,
(P)JangBi*, (P)Kal*, (P)Much, (P)Stork*, (P)Tempest


Pls tell me who do you miss? Got someone? Go and chek out, they surely quilfied, like Midas, tester, Light, Baby. Ok, Best and Pusan are exceptions, it happens...
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-30 20:11:25
November 30 2008 20:11 GMT
#600
On December 01 2008 00:22 IdrA wrote:
i saw best in the waiting room after his match and he wasnt crying, didnt look like he had been either. he was laughing in disbelief and talking to his teammates.


you were too right?
rape that noob next time
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
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