EPTPower Rank 11/10/2008 - Page 34
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On December 02 2008 19:28 raga4ka wrote: I don't think that Stork is underperforming tremendously he just lost 3 PvP's in PL to KaL Pusan and Movie who seems to be very good in PvP and Bisu lost to tazza so in PvP the mirror MU anything can happen not like TvT or ZvZ where clearly the more skilled players wins aka Flash or Jaedong ... I didn't know that protoss is all about PvP ... I wan't to see Bisu in PL vs a decent terran to see how he is performing . Stork did beat Nal_keke in Gom who at least managed to outmacro Best on Destination  i'm thinking that no one is takeing GOM seriously and it doesn't change much in the PR until the finals come ....ZvZ is more luckbased than PvP, at least it seems to me. Jaedong somehow mastered that mu, but the others provide conradictory results, like beating Luxury one day loosing to a noob later. About Bisu beating good terrans. Everyobdy was yellin aobut how awesome FBH is, and how good his pvp became, and he's 1st or 2nd best terran on Erath etc, he got 3-0ed. I guess nobody counts the games against Hwasin, but Hwasin isn't a bad player either. Just beat Best (ok, i know it was more Best's fault) And expecting Bisu to take down great Terrans... Why do you expect him to prove more in his weakest MU? You should ask stork to beat Effort, Calm, JUly, Jaedong in a raw than (i give 4 names cuz zergs recently suck, so if you actually beat one of them, it may be only cuz he's slumping, or he lost the sense to ZVP, koghhh.. Jaedong koghhh...) EDIT: if only BIsu took that game against Tazza more serious, we wouldn't discuss about the first spot cuz there would be no question | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On December 02 2008 21:49 Geo.Rion wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2008 19:28 raga4ka wrote: I don't think that Stork is underperforming tremendously he just lost 3 PvP's in PL to KaL Pusan and Movie who seems to be very good in PvP and Bisu lost to tazza so in PvP the mirror MU anything can happen not like TvT or ZvZ where clearly the more skilled players wins aka Flash or Jaedong ... I didn't know that protoss is all about PvP ... I wan't to see Bisu in PL vs a decent terran to see how he is performing . Stork did beat Nal_keke in Gom who at least managed to outmacro Best on Destination i'm thinking that no one is takeing GOM seriously and it doesn't change much in the PR until the finals come ....ZvZ is more luckbased than PvP, at least it seems to me. Jaedong somehow mastered that mu, but the others provide conradictory results, like beating Luxury one day loosing to a noob later. About Bisu beating good terrans. Everyobdy was yellin aobut how awesome FBH is, and how good his pvp became, and he's 1st or 2nd best terran on Erath etc, he got 3-0ed. I guess nobody counts the games against Hwasin, but Hwasin isn't a bad player either. Just beat Best (ok, i know it was more Best's fault) And expecting Bisu to take down great Terrans... Why do you expect him to prove more in his weakest MU? You should ask stork to beat Effort, Calm, JUly, Jaedong in a raw than (i give 4 names cuz zergs recently suck, so if you actually beat one of them, it may be only cuz he's slumping, or he lost the sense to ZVP, koghhh.. Jaedong koghhh...) EDIT: if only BIsu took that game against Tazza more serious, we wouldn't discuss about the first spot cuz there would be no question I agree, ZvZ is more luck based than PvP other than that, OneOther should place stork/bisu in whatever order he wants. (or is FS doin` the PR? I won`t get anxious yet) Also, JD is ... I`m sad  not only for him, but for the whole zerg race. How would a PR look with no zergs on it ?! and :+ Show Spoiler + I hope free's run in the MSL wasn`t a one-hit-wonder :s | ||
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Polar_Bear
Germany55 Posts
since Bisu has lost to fbh in the MSL group stage he went 21-5, playing 26 games. The game vs. Tazza was incredibly bad; taking the expansion at the bottom was totally nuts, he didn't play well the rest of the game neither. The game vs. Yellow[Arnc] was not that great, though Bisu won it. He probably had a bad day, dropped a game vs. an inferior player. But there are still 24 games left and Bisu played between "well" and "fucking great" in every single one, he only lost to really good player, always showing at least a decent fight. And Bisu deserves each of his 21 (!!!) wins. Stork went 19-12 since that day. He played very well in proleague in october, ripped apart Best, which was huge and demolished fantasy in the first two games. But: -the last 2 games of his series vs. forgg weren't 100% convincing. excuse: forgg is a great player -he lost to Kal who has mediocre PvP in a bo5. excuse: it was the day before the OSL finals and those guys have a "history" (imo the last point is rubbish) -he dropped a game vs. fantasy unnecessarily in the OSL finals. excuse: Stork was nervous and fantasy is a very good player. -since his OSL win, he hasn't shown a convincing game vs. a decent player. Keke just did s.th. very "unusual" in the 2nd game, Calm's front-door-break looked like a amateur vs. pro match etc. excuse: still vacant To put it in a nutshell: Anybody who cares about getting results, playing well and general recent shape of players will not put Stork above Bisu. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On December 03 2008 02:03 Darth Peter wrote: One problem with Effort,he didn't qualify for the MSL,and qualifying for the OSL is harder,because if it is in the same system as the last season,he will have to beat a player who was in the OSL last season. Now if he gets Light,or Midas,or TheZerg or Rock or Mind he will qualify. But what if he has to beat Flash,Bisu,GGPlay,and players like that.Of course it isn't so bad,considering Best and Pusan didn't qualify,but still. I'm not sure if deserves a ranking yet. There are 8 people who cannot be left out of the top10,and for the rest of the two spots there are players like Pusan,FBH,Calm,Zero. With Effort,there are 5 people for those two spots. It is really hard to decide between them. If we take into account only PL,Pusan definitely should be on the list,because he is so freakin' awesome these days. FBH is also carrying his team on his back,and Zero is fuckin' awesome lately. I would definitely consider him for a spot. This month's power rank will be especially hard to write. What would happen if he meets Bisu, GGplay or Flash? Well, looses to Bisu, shitrapes the other 2 (Flash can't play TvZ recently, aaltough i didn't watch his game today yet, cuz it's not uploaded) | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On December 03 2008 02:12 Geo.Rion wrote:(Flash can't play TvZ recently, aaltough i didn't watch his game today yet, cuz it's not uploaded) yep, 62% thats a shitty TvZ right there, and he lost to someone who had a 9/4 record. Yeah man, Effort will have an easier time against Flash | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On December 03 2008 02:48 MrHoon wrote: yep, 62% thats a shitty TvZ right there, and he lost to someone who had a 9/4 record. Yeah man, Effort will have an easier time against Flash Oov has 61% overall right now, with and amazing 68 percent aginst zerg. Yet he lost to Zergboy in a bo3 and another match in PL. Flash's recent TvZ achievemnts: loosing to yarnc twice in MSL loosing to GGplay in OSL going 0-2 in PL against 2 good players (his match against hyva doesnt counts here, cuz i don't know what happened there, or who won) he defeated Study (0-4 lifetime stat) other than that he didn't do anything. Oh, wait, he lost in a showmatch on Plasma against Rumble, nice result. i might misinterpreted everything and Flash's TvZ is still godly, who knows... EDIT: ok i spoiled to myself, so Flash won, and ppl say it was an epic match with Flash playin briliantly. Well i should watch it when it is uploaded i guess, but it's a bit hard to imagine how does someone play an epci match against hyvva or whoever | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On December 02 2008 19:24 raga4ka wrote: No its not because in the difficult run Bisu can't win it , he got eliminated by Stork on the easy run he can FBH , Hwasin and some players that aren't known for their PvP ... And here again, you are faulting Bisu for losing to Stork about 2 months ago. Did you see Bisu play vs Free and Jangbi? Did you actually watch Bisu vs Stork? It was a very close series. Props to Stork for winning it, but its not like it was a blow out. Just about all of Stork's OSL series were close series, where Stork was put into the danger of elimination. And lets turn your logic on its head too. Bisu wasn't able to win in the "harder" run of the OSL. But on the other hand, Stork wasn't able to win in the "easier" run of the MSL. Which is worse? Stork was eliminated by the guy, who got eliminated by the guy, who Bisu eliminated. Or is that logic of yours just bad? | ||
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Darth Peter
Romania438 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
I mean, hes in the army now. It pains me to watch my two favorite players play each other, when I know they both can't win. | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
I recommend it be done before Survivor starts because some people will be dropped if they fail MSL and others that potentially could fail will get a higher PR spot only to be eliminated from the MSL a few days later. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On December 03 2008 05:38 Sentenal wrote: And here again, you are faulting Bisu for losing to Stork about 2 months ago. Did you see Bisu play vs Free and Jangbi? Did you actually watch Bisu vs Stork? It was a very close series. Props to Stork for winning it, but its not like it was a blow out. Just about all of Stork's OSL series were close series, where Stork was put into the danger of elimination. And lets turn your logic on its head too. Bisu wasn't able to win in the "harder" run of the OSL. But on the other hand, Stork wasn't able to win in the "easier" run of the MSL. Which is worse? Stork was eliminated by the guy, who got eliminated by the guy, who Bisu eliminated. Or is that logic of yours just bad? hahaha good first paragraph, but transitive property isn't applicable in progaming ;D | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8552 Posts
On December 03 2008 05:38 Sentenal wrote: And here again, you are faulting Bisu for losing to Stork about 2 months ago. Did you see Bisu play vs Free and Jangbi? Did you actually watch Bisu vs Stork? It was a very close series. Props to Stork for winning it, but its not like it was a blow out. Just about all of Stork's OSL series were close series, where Stork was put into the danger of elimination. And lets turn your logic on its head too. Bisu wasn't able to win in the "harder" run of the OSL. But on the other hand, Stork wasn't able to win in the "easier" run of the MSL. Which is worse? Stork was eliminated by the guy, who got eliminated by the guy, who Bisu eliminated. Or is that logic of yours just bad? Bisu, was eliminated by the guy, who-no wait, that was Stork himself. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
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