• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:06
CEST 23:06
KST 06:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall10HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles2[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China9Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL66Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?14FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event22
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles Program: SC2 / XSplit / OBS Scene Switcher
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays Korean Starcraft League Week 77
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
ASL20 Preliminary Maps [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall SC uni coach streams logging into betting site Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China [BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET CSL Xiamen International Invitational The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Summer Games Done Quick 2024! Summer Games Done Quick 2025!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 551 users

What's your reaction to the new HOTS info? - Page 3

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
June 13 2012 11:41 GMT
#41
The new units are overall okay... but a MAJOR major criticism i have is of the Oracle. Of course, having not played HotS, I'm not really sure, but I watched those stupid videos and it just looks so... unfair? I don't know how to put it. Basically you just run in and you get FREE harassment. Even if the opponent has impeccable defense, that threat is always present. And especially late game shutting down a mining base is unbelievably huge. Even if you send a viking/corruptor to go get it, it's so fast that you can't really kill it.

Also, the Reaper health regen seems worthless. Your Reaper got shut down by lings, good thing you can go back into his base with full hp and get shut down again!
hmm... let's think about it
CrtBalorda
Profile Joined December 2011
Slovenia704 Posts
June 13 2012 12:18 GMT
#42
Some stuff looks really stupid visualy, along with the 22 range tempest. Imagine how dumb it is for people to rush tempest and oracle and then they slowly bombard your mineral line from some dead space in the corner of a map until you get air.

Other then that I just want them to increase the skill cap.
4th August 2012...Never forget.....
rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 13 2012 12:52 GMT
#43
On June 13 2012 20:41 LowEloPlayer wrote:
The new units are overall okay... but a MAJOR major criticism i have is of the Oracle. Of course, having not played HotS, I'm not really sure, but I watched those stupid videos and it just looks so... unfair? I don't know how to put it. Basically you just run in and you get FREE harassment. Even if the opponent has impeccable defense, that threat is always present. And especially late game shutting down a mining base is unbelievably huge. Even if you send a viking/corruptor to go get it, it's so fast that you can't really kill it.

Also, the Reaper health regen seems worthless. Your Reaper got shut down by lings, good thing you can go back into his base with full hp and get shut down again!


Well the FFs have HP (75 I think) so even if you get it off they go down super fast if you are aware at all.

Sure the units need balanced a bit more but I have to say, after the last HoTs update I was hoping it wouldn't come I really disliked the direction the units were taken, but this new one is so much better. I can't wait for beta now!
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
June 13 2012 12:58 GMT
#44
I don't really have any thoughts on it, I hope I get to play in the beta. But from what I saw the units looked all OP, they will nerf them, once the beta is out.
Galaxy1again
Profile Joined June 2012
United States34 Posts
June 13 2012 13:11 GMT
#45
Viva la Viper!
Worker bees can leave, even drones can fly away, the Queen is their slave.
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
June 13 2012 13:38 GMT
#46
oracle is a terrible idea and the warhound's model is a mechanic troll, it doesn't belong to a terran army. The rest seems interesting.
Terran & Potato Salad.
CarlMikael
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1043 Posts
June 13 2012 15:25 GMT
#47
Moderately negative/sceptic, but nothing is set in stone yet.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
June 13 2012 15:58 GMT
#48
[x] Don't care(didn't read any information anyway)
cari-kira
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 16:42:36
June 13 2012 16:10 GMT
#49
- the viper pull is a bad idea in my eyes.
the pull move looks so like 2000...
didnt anyone @ bliz have a better idea for softening up the lategame?

- ultralist charge? this is ridiculous, look gimmicky and is somewhat like the viper pull ability. dont like.

- also i guess the tempest will be useless, because it has so low dps. compared to tanks, the units with the second highest range, the tempest dps is just laughable, and it hasnt even AoE like tanks. i just dont see where it could fit into the game.
in the midgame it should be easy to counter with viking/muta/corruptor, and in the lategame every tempest would be a waste of supply, because it burns supply for a low dps unit. also: whats left of the idea to give protoss a good anti-air unit? this problem is not solved, just because zergs comfortably prefer to play mass roach into broods against protoss these days.
Live and let live
Leberwurstbrot
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany144 Posts
June 13 2012 16:43 GMT
#50
Carrier is not better than Tempest Oo. Tempest is even cooler... also you guys should check out the nydus changes... pretty cool
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
June 13 2012 17:23 GMT
#51
To be honest, I don't like the new changes. :/

Terran will now feel like you're playing a Transformers/RA2 game, both the Ultralisk's charge ability and the Swarm Host's pulling ability seem ridiculous, and the new Protoss changes are too simplistic and Warcraft 3'ish: mass recall?
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
June 13 2012 17:24 GMT
#52
On June 13 2012 07:29 Cosmos wrote:
Reaper is worse than before (How is that even possible?) Carrier was better than tempest and warhound doesn't shot air. The rest seems cool.


Good god the Tempest will actually be used.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Goosestep
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany10 Posts
June 13 2012 17:48 GMT
#53
toss will be even more op !
NeoMJay
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany2 Posts
June 13 2012 17:57 GMT
#54
Tier 3 is way too late for Hydra Speed I think.
In Soviet Russia expansions protect you, Kyle.
Andypk
Profile Joined November 2010
Scotland512 Posts
June 13 2012 18:18 GMT
#55
Really positive for me, really excited for HotS after seeing all of it.

On June 13 2012 11:01 Quincy wrote:
The Warhound looks like an SCV in the NBA. This is enough to make me purchase CE of HotS!!

Cannot unsee :D
Kaitokid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1327 Posts
June 13 2012 18:49 GMT
#56
looking forward to it!
Bajsgrodan
Profile Joined November 2010
Afghanistan408 Posts
June 13 2012 18:50 GMT
#57
the new mech unit needs to shoot air. I dont want to mass thors. Its so silly to max out on thors.
My name sucks!
Hamofox
Profile Joined December 2011
Brazil7 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 19:03:00
June 13 2012 19:02 GMT
#58
Looking at the recent Diablo 3 game, i must say i have some concerns about Hots ..Since actvision took over, blizzard isnt the same anymore ... it is so, so sad ..it was the best game producer ever...
Shift happens!
ZeddZeee
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3 Posts
June 13 2012 20:40 GMT
#59
DAT TEMPEST.. 11 RANGE TO START OFF WITH... DAT IS REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY LONG
"If there was a GM for Nexus Wars I would be in it" - HuskyStarcraft to Day[9]
Garoodah
Profile Joined January 2012
United States56 Posts
June 13 2012 21:00 GMT
#60
I think widow mines are going to be too useful for terrans in the early and mid game. They easily prevent ling run-bys, can stop mutalisk harass without taking your army out of position, and from the video they dealt tons of damage. Something has to be nerfed with them. I personally feel like the range that they attach to a unit is much too large. I also feel like the splash damage radius is either too large or too powerful in terms of damage.

Tempest seems much too powerful. 10 range, splash damage, upgrade to 22 range, and it got built out of a normal stargate almost immediately. 2 Tempest rush is going to be the next big cheese for Protoss if you ask me.

Time will tell though.

"Oh man we've got GG-lords"
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RotterdaM Event
16:00
Rotti Stream Rumble 4k Edition
RotterdaM859
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 859
ProTech9
JuggernautJason4
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 211
Rock 19
Stormgate
Nathanias34
Dota 2
Pyrionflax188
League of Legends
Grubby4581
Counter-Strike
ScreaM2155
Fnx 1891
shoxiejesuss945
flusha427
Stewie2K383
oskar280
taco 228
sgares146
Super Smash Bros
PPMD125
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu573
Other Games
summit1g6528
tarik_tv2358
fl0m1576
ToD250
mouzStarbuck246
KnowMe179
Mew2King97
ZombieGrub59
Sick49
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick52028
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 264
• musti20045 32
• davetesta30
• LUISG 29
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 44
• Eskiya23 6
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2470
• TFBlade1329
Other Games
• imaqtpie1912
• Shiphtur533
• WagamamaTV204
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
2h 54m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
12h 54m
WardiTV European League
18h 54m
MaNa vs sebesdes
Mixu vs Fjant
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
ShoWTimE vs goblin
Gerald vs Babymarine
Krystianer vs YoungYakov
PiGosaur Monday
1d 2h
The PondCast
1d 12h
WardiTV European League
1d 14h
Jumy vs NightPhoenix
Percival vs Nicoract
ArT vs HiGhDrA
MaxPax vs Harstem
Scarlett vs Shameless
SKillous vs uThermal
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs Reynor
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Cure
FEL
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
FEL
4 days
FEL
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs QiaoGege
Dewalt vs Fengzi
Hawk vs Zhanhun
Sziky vs Mihu
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Sziky
Fengzi vs Hawk
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
FEL
5 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
QiaoGege vs Dewalt
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sziky vs Fengzi
Mihu vs Zhanhun
QiaoGege vs Zhanhun
Fengzi vs Mihu
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 20
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.