What's your reaction to the new HOTS info?

On June 13 2012 08:27 Roflhaxx wrote:
Kind of mixed feelings, they are making more stuff that will be completely versus a single race. The new "dark swam" only works on biological units. Anti-mech mech-unit? (lolwut?) And not to mention those mines man. They give terran extremely imba mines but at the same time they remove the ability for banelings to burrow!?

On June 13 2012 08:27 Roflhaxx wrote:
Kind of mixed feelings, they are making more stuff that will be completely versus a single race. The new "dark swam" only works on biological units. Anti-mech mech-unit? (lolwut?) And not to mention those mines man. They give terran extremely imba mines but at the same time they remove the ability for banelings to burrow!?

On June 13 2012 07:29 Cosmos wrote:
Reaper is worse than before (How is that even possible?) Carrier was better than tempest and warhound doesn't shot air. The rest seems cool.

Reaper is worse than before (How is that even possible?

On June 13 2012 14:27 Grufzar wrote:


60 hp and 7 range is not worse unless im mistaken.

On June 13 2012 14:35 IndridCold wrote:
im mostly positive, the warhound is the only thing that makes me look at it and just think "what?' I just dont get it, a unit that shoots only mech? Does it not do anything else? So if 6 marines walk up to 10 warhounds do the warhounds just die because their missles only work on mech and bounce off the human body? i dunno maybe i'm missing something

On June 13 2012 11:26 Archas wrote:

All in all, I'm pretty happy with these changes. The Tempest, Oracle, and the Mothership Core concern me, though; the Tempest because it's just a boring unit, the Oracle because it seems like mass cloaking could potentially be a little too powerful, and the Core because it seems really hard to balance correctly without getting nerfed to hell. The rest of the changes seem pretty good, especially the Widow Mines. I love that idea.

On June 13 2012 20:41 LowEloPlayer wrote:
The new units are overall okay... but a MAJOR major criticism i have is of the Oracle. Of course, having not played HotS, I'm not really sure, but I watched those stupid videos and it just looks so... unfair? I don't know how to put it. Basically you just run in and you get FREE harassment. Even if the opponent has impeccable defense, that threat is always present. And especially late game shutting down a mining base is unbelievably huge. Even if you send a viking/corruptor to go get it, it's so fast that you can't really kill it.

Also, the Reaper health regen seems worthless. Your Reaper got shut down by lings, good thing you can go back into his base with full hp and get shut down again!

On June 13 2012 07:29 Cosmos wrote:
Reaper is worse than before (How is that even possible?) Carrier was better than tempest and warhound doesn't shot air. The rest seems cool.

On June 13 2012 11:01 Quincy wrote:
The Warhound looks like an SCV in the NBA. This is enough to make me purchase CE of HotS!!

On June 13 2012 12:13 Zildjianeer wrote:
I wish they would make the oracle require skill. One click blocks every mineral patch? not fair

On June 14 2012 13:41 foxmulder_ms wrote:
Moderately negative here...

The main reason is, very personal: Removal of the carrier.

On June 15 2012 04:21 Masvidal wrote:
There is no way Viper's abduct ability can be balanced without making massive units immune. Massive units are immune to the Phoenix (another flying unit, which is why I compare the two) Graviton Beam, and the Phoenix literally has to be right on TOP of a unit to use that!

I'm not worried about the Widow Mine, because honestly in the demonstration it looked SO powerful that they is just no way in hell it makes it into the game with anywhere NEAR that kind of power, even if it required tech lab and was more expensive. It's essentially a reactor-available burrowed baneling that micros itself with enough damage to 1 shot a Seige Tank? Yeah, they'll never nerf that, lol. But I am concerned with the fact that it just doesn't seem like an interesting unit. It just latches on, and detonates after 10 seconds.

I think if they're smart, they'll think of a way to tweak it so that it's balanced and very effective without being overpowered at all, it just might take them awhile. Obviously (as it 1 shots a Seige Tank) the damage needs to be reduced, but I have a really good idea for what they could do with the Widow Mine: give it a detonate ability (so the Terran can press the hotkey and detonate it manually as long as it's attached to a unit), and a low base damage but good splash damage with small radius, and at every 1 or 2 second interval, the damage increases by a set margin. This way, for example, say it latches onto a Colossus surrounded by gateway units: Terran has a choice to manually detonate it immediately and take out any Sentries, Templar, or badly damaged units that are close to the Colossus (EMP range? Storm Range? Have to tweak it I guess), wait until the colossus walks a little further and detonate, hitting only units on the edge, but killing any gateway units in the blast radius, or to just wait until the colossus gets far away from any other unit and do like 75% of it's hull damage or whatever the max possible damage is. That way it's somewhat of a cross between a baneling and a void ray; wait longer, more damage; but with the added choice of "do I kill this really expensive unit or do I opportunistically snipe a couple of ill-clumped spellcaster units?" That's something I would explore, at least.

On June 13 2012 10:42 mbr2321 wrote:


I didn't see any notes with regards to the removal of banelings burrowing.

On June 15 2012 04:21 Masvidal wrote:
There is no way Viper's abduct ability can be balanced without making massive units immune. Massive units are immune to the Phoenix (another flying unit, which is why I compare the two) Graviton Beam, and the Phoenix literally has to be right on TOP of a unit to use that!

I'm not worried about the Widow Mine, because honestly in the demonstration it looked SO powerful that they is just no way in hell it makes it into the game with anywhere NEAR that kind of power, even if it required tech lab and was more expensive. It's essentially a reactor-available burrowed baneling that micros itself with enough damage to 1 shot a Seige Tank? Yeah, they'll never nerf that, lol. But I am concerned with the fact that it just doesn't seem like an interesting unit. It just latches on, and detonates after 10 seconds.

I think if they're smart, they'll think of a way to tweak it so that it's balanced and very effective without being overpowered at all, it just might take them awhile. Obviously (as it 1 shots a Seige Tank) the damage needs to be reduced, but I have a really good idea for what they could do with the Widow Mine: give it a detonate ability (so the Terran can press the hotkey and detonate it manually as long as it's attached to a unit), and a low base damage but good splash damage with small radius, and at every 1 or 2 second interval, the damage increases by a set margin. This way, for example, say it latches onto a Colossus surrounded by gateway units: Terran has a choice to manually detonate it immediately and take out any Sentries, Templar, or badly damaged units that are close to the Colossus (EMP range? Storm Range? Have to tweak it I guess), wait until the colossus walks a little further and detonate, hitting only units on the edge, but killing any gateway units in the blast radius, or to just wait until the colossus gets far away from any other unit and do like 75% of it's hull damage or whatever the max possible damage is. That way it's somewhat of a cross between a baneling and a void ray; wait longer, more damage; but with the added choice of "do I kill this really expensive unit or do I opportunistically snipe a couple of ill-clumped spellcaster units?" That's something I would explore, at least.

On June 15 2012 14:16 darkness wrote:
Is it fair to say 'Abduct' looks OP? It reminds me of the reason why Blizzard removed the replicant. It was because it ruined "diversity", some players had to skip units according to them. If this isn't the case, how are we supposed to fight against Vipers in PvZ? Are high templars going to be a must against Vipers, hence good feedback very important?

On June 15 2012 16:26 Warzone wrote:


Exactly what I have been feeling. If they at least made massive units immune I could see the point.

Also, having Viper built as a lair unit (Exactly like overseer), would make it EXTREMELY powerful against Immortal builds. It would seem that you would be forced to go twlight tech as a Protoss until you established your 3rd. Maybe Stargate, but SG isn't quite as viable against mass roach.

It just seems to limit the Protoss way too much, especially considering the requirements to make it.

On June 16 2012 04:38 Drowsy wrote:
I love all the design aspects of the terran and zerg units, but the protoss ones still seem really stupid. 22 range a-move unit and mineral freezer seem really dumb, but mothership core seems like an awesome way to reinforce defender's advantage.

On June 17 2012 08:30 xHadoken wrote:

How is the reaper worse?

On June 18 2012 02:08 Iron_ wrote:
Overall it is cool to see new units and I am excited for the changes in metagame. However my main concern is the skill cap for protoss. Protoss is a lot easier to play than Terran or Zerg, and this is a fundamental problem with SC2. I think it is fairly common knowledge that Protoss are easier to play, so hopefully there will not be too much argument there. I am not talking about balance with the Protoss I am talking about the overall skill it takes to use the race.

Both Terran and Zerg new units seem cool once they get figured out and balanced. Terran is getting some units that can stand up to things in the late game, and zerg new units take skill to use. However I see Protoss getting a 22 range ship and a "harass" unit that with one click renders an entire mining base useless for a while? It does not take any skill to sit back on 3 ships with 3 screens of range while a deathball waits for his opponent to come to him. Also, making the protoss harass that easy, while zerg and terran need to sacrifice units to kill a couple workers at at a time seems silly, and only pushes the same fundamental problem that already exists.

I see the Protoss continuing to be a lot easier to play, which is fundamentally bad. Since they will always balance for the top end, this makes the balance very hard to attain for everyone else.

Also, Terran really needed AA for their mech. I think this was really common knowledge in the community, so it vexes me how Terran are ending up with the same AA situation during mech play.

Zerg stuff looks very cool, but will need a lot of beta games to get it all balanced.

If I had to guess what the best overall effect will be, it would be that TvT is going to be a hell of a lot more fun to watch. For that particular match up, I am very excited about the changes.

On June 13 2012 10:42 mbr2321 wrote:


I didn't see any notes with regards to the removal of banelings burrowing.

On June 13 2012 08:02 lurchpanda wrote:
While i think that the mothership core and oracle could be a nice addition to the game, i don't really like the tempest. Having scaned over the terran and zerg buffs they seem alright. From how it looks the viper pull ability seems a little strong/just stright out annoying against protoss. I can't make any conclusions though without playing the game.

On June 13 2012 10:45 Champi wrote:
needs to keep carrier instead of tempest and im happy

the mothership core will hopefully solve a lot of problems protoss has been having in its race design in WOL.super excited about that the most

On June 23 2012 04:24 GodZo wrote:
the viper spell that pulls a unit, is pretty bad, not realistic and not good in any aspect.

then, where is the dark archon? dark templars should not to merge into a standard archon.

tempest 22 range? really bad

then....

the mechanics that are not funny in sc2, like allin with all scvs or other bad/coinflip strategies, some improvement with hots? no

I expect more from StarCraft, because it's a my passion.

On June 22 2012 06:45 Yama93 wrote:
Negative, I highly doubt Blizzard even watches the games. There is no tier 3 terran, and there hasn´t been, and there will still not be with HOTS. So dumb. While the other races actually get new tier 3 units or buffed tier 3 units..,.....
The Oracle seems retardedly overpowered, freezing income seems retarded for every race. Means you cant macro for a while, means the next attack of the opponent will just crush you.

Blizzard wants Terran to play mech against protoss, yet they bring in Tempest which will make it so that terran can never stay in the same position, which... means that you will always be unsieged and weak.

On June 28 2012 13:30 Debian wrote:
Moderately negative. So many things look stupid/frustrating in this game.

22 range.
Swarm Host (like broodlord but cloaked and easier to tech to AND can shoot air?)
Entombed - How the hell does this even work in the late game? Terran doesn't have any building that can attack ground that doesn't take any supply. Are we suppose to leave marines at all our bases?
Viper grab ability seems really frustrating to play against.
Moving borrowed banes?
Still no answer to mass muta with Warhound anti air behind removed.
Managed to make Reapers even more useless.

On June 23 2012 11:35 Swwww wrote:

Salutations protossretard

On June 13 2012 08:27 Roflhaxx wrote:
Kind of mixed feelings, they are making more stuff that will be completely versus a single race. The new "dark swam" only works on biological units. Anti-mech mech-unit? (lolwut?) And not to mention those mines man. They give terran extremely imba mines but at the same time they remove the ability for banelings to burrow!?

On June 13 2012 09:35 xParadoxi wrote:


Lol, I know its gonna be real hard to remove the unit with the mine on it. The ability has a 10 sec timer until it blows up, if you cant get a unit away from your army in 10 secs, you are just bad at the game.

On June 28 2012 16:49 Skiblet wrote:
Don't know if anyone realises this but if a toss goes tempest rush vs zerg zerg would HAVE TO get mutas or corruptors to kill it or it could just harass mineral lines forever...what with its 22 range and all

On July 01 2012 07:53 OneBaseKing wrote:
terran got nerfed so much...

On July 01 2012 21:03 Gumbotwins wrote:


How does terran even got nerfed?
They got spider mines now? u mean thoose are wurse then the shredder? No way man.
Warhound seems kinda cool unit. So does the battle hellion.

I even think Terran is kinda op with mech atm. Really think about it, What does kill a Battlehellion,SeigeTank, Thor, Warhound + Eventually spidermines and viking army.

Nothing i can think off.

On June 28 2012 16:49 Skiblet wrote:
Don't know if anyone realises this but if a toss goes tempest rush vs zerg zerg would HAVE TO get mutas or corruptors to kill it or it could just harass mineral lines forever...what with its 22 range and all

On July 04 2012 21:10 just_godlike wrote:
I really don't like one thing - Blizz said they wanted to make all races have more options such as mech Terran, T2 Zerg units late game and Stargate Protoss, which is fair enough. However, as a Protoss player myself, I don't understand how I'll be supposed to open up Stargate more often if the other races have more invisible units now (Widow mine and Swarm host). That makes me build at least one observer every game -> need robo. And if I need a robo every game I don't think many people will just roll the dice and skip it to get aa Stargate instead. Thoughts?

On June 14 2012 16:04 doffe wrote:

Kinda wish they would remove the widowmine though. If DB have said its not for pros dont add it. Cant see a reason why we need units that wont be used at all at the toplevel. I mean, 10s timer, its not like anyone should let that blow up in a group if its obvious enough what unit it sticks on. Make it valid for all levels and im fine with it though.

On July 07 2012 20:28 Ammoth wrote:
I don't know if this was mentioned but, with the queen change (5 range). Won't that shut the new reaper down completly?