EPTWhat do you think of Naniwa vs Nestea? - Page 10
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Please restart the poll if you want some real results. | ||
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And what he did get people fired in real life. Go to your boss and tell him : "No i won't do what you pay for me. I'll just turn the computer on and watch my mails"... But i think he understood. He will not do this another time. I thought that they would do some crazy stupids builds (like dropping colossus or something like that in order to entertained a match that means nothing) Guess i was wrong. Hope Gom will fix this format though. | ||
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Vandroy
Sweden155 Posts
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10or10
Sweden517 Posts
It's Completely unacceptable that GOM gives naniwa a punishment. It's disappointing but no big deal that Quantic & naniwa feels the need and apologize. | ||
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Dirich
Italy101 Posts
 ):Is SCII an e-SPORT or a videogame? If you think of Naniwa as a person playing a videogame, then what he did is understandable and acceptable. If you think of Naniwa as a professional sportsman, what he did is completely not understandable and unacceptable. For everyone (besides those working in the industry) a sport is just a big SHOW. Of course the sportsman may not care about this aspect, but it's because it's a show that the sportsman can live by doing what he does, ergo he must abide to the "ethic of the show-business" and try to give the best possible show in every situation. If you don't agree and if you think of SCII as a sport and of Naniwa as a professional player, then compare what happened to what happens in the "usual" sports. If it was not Naniwa but your favoured team in your "usual" sport of choice, what would be the reaction of the league and the public opinion about the matter (think about the soccer world championship, i.e.). | ||
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10or10
Sweden517 Posts
On December 16 2011 02:23 Dirich wrote: If I have understood correctly, Naniwa kind of forfeited to Nestea because he could not win anymore and the game was just for the sake of the game itself. If I have misunderstood, disregard what follows: Think about soccer world cup. There are 8 groups of 4 nations that play against each others and only the first 2 pass. Sometimes 2 win 2 matches and the other 2 loses 2 matches. In this case it's sure those with 2 wins will advance, while the other 2 have already lost, nonetheless have you ever seen them forfeit the game? No. It would be not a sign of good sportmanship in the first place, and it is a smack toward your supporters, who want to see you play first of all (otherwise only the champions would have fans), and your sponsors, who pay you to play every game. If you think of Naniwa as a person, then what he did is understandable and acceptable. If you think of Naniwa as a professional sportman, what he did is completely not understandable and unacceptable. The point at stake her is if starcraft 2 is an eSPORT or is not a sport at all. For everyone (besides those working in the industry) a sport is just a big SHOW. Of course the sportman may not care about this aspect, but it's because it's a show that the sportman can live by doing what he does, ergo he must abide to the "ethic of the showbusiness" and try to give the best possible show in every situation. In shorts: if you think of SCII as a sport and of Naniwa as a professional player, then compare what happened to what happens in the "usual" sports. If it was not Naniwa but your favoured team in you "usual" sport of choice, what would be the reaction of the league and the public opinion about the matter. Well, a tournament can't punish a player for not being a showman unless it's a pure showmatch (since then that is the pure reason a player is signed up for it) or it's explicitly stated that "A player must always play his best" but then you can punish players for being jet-lagged since he didn't prepare his best and thus didn't play his best. For me esports is a competition, not a show (everyone might not agree there is a difference but for me it is). I hate showmatches for this reason, both in sc2 and bw. They are silly and boring. edit: changed a tournament from you to make my point less ambiguous | ||
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Dirich
Italy101 Posts
On December 16 2011 02:39 10or10 wrote: Well, a tournament can't punish a player for not being a showman unless it's a pure showmatch (since then that is the pure reason a player is signed up for it) or it's explicitly stated that "A player must always play his best" but then you can punish players for being jet-lagged since he didn't prepare his best and thus didn't play his best. For me esports is a competition, not a show (everyone might not agree there is a difference but for me it is). I hate showmatches for this reason, both in sc2 and bw. They are silly and boring. edit: changed a tournament from you to make my point less ambiguous A tournament lives because it is a show, if everybody throws away matches no one will watch it and the tournament will die, so the tournament can punish players. Also, GomTV is not just a tournament, is the "league"/"federation" or however it's called in english the entity that regulate the sport called SCII in Korea (at least, it is so de-facto). And it is the duty of such an entity to punish unsportsman-like behaviour from the players (there is that organization made by the manager of the teams or something, but it doesn't really feel, to me, like it's the right organization to handle these cases). Every match falls under my "definition" of show, since I didn't mean that in a too literal way. So it's natural there are matches where you don't play at your best. The point is that you are not able to do it due to stuff that is not under your control (psychological and/or physical (like jet-lag) issue or whatever). Pro-chess players can decide that they have lost and resign, but they can't decide they aren't going to play a game and expect no punishment, because for the sport to survive such behaviours are not acceptable. | ||
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Tehkilla
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