EPTWhat do you think of Naniwa vs Nestea? - Page 11
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SaYyId
Portugal277 Posts
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EriMus
United States11 Posts
"We don't believe that winning games and getting prizes make you a pro-gamer. We think that pro-gaming as a vocation should be about gamers competing for the victory, for the audience so they would get excited, and in all that, players job is to compete for the victory through that. We gave the seed to Quantic Gaming's protoss pro-gamer NaNiwa, not the Swedish youth Johan Lucchesi who plays the game well." If you do not succeed at the game, what else can carry you to become a profession gamer? It's kind of sad that the tournament revolves around the "show" that helps their image. It should be about the players, not about appeasing general audiences. I understand that they try their best to make the show interesting for everyone, so that they can grow and gain prominence, but this goal should never come at the expense of a player - the players are the only thing keeping the game alive. | ||
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wOrD yO
Australia119 Posts
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Karius
Germany6 Posts
What is completely unacceptable? Naniwas behaviour or Goms reaction? How do you expect a representative poll this way? -.- | ||
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iPho
United States6 Posts
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Hamzilla
United States143 Posts
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Minored
Brazil88 Posts
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
If SC2 is gonna be popular this is the kind of things that should not happen. If a losing team stop playing a football game it is unacceptable, this is the same here. Even if the heart is not there, you just play. This is your job. Maybe the match will be bad, who cares you'll just lose fans. But this was a farce. | ||
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vitruvia
Canada235 Posts
naniwa probe rush-> fine with that gomtv punish naniwa -> fine with that everyone making a big deal, -> fine with that just like an average harmless esport related drama. good or bad, its not my right to decide. | ||
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twndomn
401 Posts
GSL is a league formed by a Korean company, made of mostly Koreans. When in Rome, do what Roman does. If you are unable to follow Korean's value and culture, which pays attention to respect, status quo, and sportsmanship, then you should not participate in that league. 2. Principle It is a matter of principle, it's NOT about 0-3. It's the fact that he did not even try, lack of effort. Stealing one cent might not be the same as stealing hundred dollars, but it's still stealing. GOM is punishing a player for the Principle it wants to stress, not because some irrelevant 0-3 matters. | ||
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Wedberg
Sweden169 Posts
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Syli
Germany4 Posts
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oygp
United States40 Posts
You need to understand what "professional" means. As a 3rd year medical student, I've seen situations in the hospital where the patient is obviously going to die. But it still matters that the doctor behaves as a professional and continues to try his best despite the futility of it all. You would expect no less. There no such thing as being a "bad-ass" doctor. That's just a bad doctor. That's the difference between being professional and amateur. It's no different for a "professional" gamer. Reliability and dedication are just as important as skill and ability. If Naniwa feels comfortable showing so much disdain towards the game, fans and other players, he can and should be KICKED OUT. The paying viewers don't deserve that garbage, and neither do the fine people at GomTV and even NesTea who have all worked so freaking HARD to make that game even possible in the first place. He can do that garbage on bnet whenever he wants. Why he thought it was okay to do it on the grandest stage that Starcraft II has to offer can only be explained by pure and simple immaturity. That being said, I did laugh when I saw the probe rush. Being punished is never fun... and I hope Naniwa is able to take this lesson seriously. Not being seeded into the GSL next season is pretty harsh... but it shouldn't make a difference in the long run. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:12 vitruvia wrote: meh. naniwa probe rush-> fine with that gomtv punish naniwa -> fine with that everyone making a big deal, -> fine with that just like an average harmless esport related drama. good or bad, its not my right to decide. I see you have tried Not Giving a Fuck™  | ||
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
On December 16 2011 04:57 SaYyId wrote: You should add the "Don't really give a fuck" or "Doesn't matter to me" option to the poll. I find it hard to care about this. If you don't care then you don't vote... | ||
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Bogeyman
Sweden307 Posts
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eg9
Norway43 Posts
On December 16 2011 13:18 oygp wrote: @EriMus You need to understand what "professional" means. As a 3rd year medical student, I've seen situations in the hospital where the patient is obviously going to die. But it still matters that the doctor behaves as a professional and continues to try his best despite the futility of it all. You would expect no less. There no such thing as being a "bad-ass" doctor. That's just a bad doctor. That's the difference between being professional and amateur. It's no different for a "professional" gamer. Reliability and dedication are just as important as skill and ability. If Naniwa feels comfortable showing so much disdain towards the game, fans and other players, he can and should be KICKED OUT. The paying viewers don't deserve that garbage, and neither do the fine people at GomTV and even NesTea who have all worked so freaking HARD to make that game even possible in the first place. He can do that garbage on bnet whenever he wants. Why he thought it was okay to do it on the grandest stage that Starcraft II has to offer can only be explained by pure and simple immaturity. That being said, I did laugh when I saw the probe rush. Being punished is never fun... and I hope Naniwa is able to take this lesson seriously. Not being seeded into the GSL next season is pretty harsh... but it shouldn't make a difference in the long run. I agree in your views of what professional means but i disagree in your conclusion. NaNiwa is a professional "player", not a professional entertainer. His job is to fight to be the best and imo all the rest is irrelevant. If a game like this one is not furthering his career or in any way making him a better player i can completely understand why he had no desire to play the game seriously. The fact that he is excluded from the competetion of being the best player(which is his job to struggle for) because GOM did not get the commercial payoff that they wanted i feel like is completely unacceptable from "the worlds best tournament". GOM's job is to try to build a show around the struggle, not interfere in it imo. With regards to him rather doing a 4gate or another sort of shortgame cheesy build i do not know if i agree with it being the better option. I want all i see to be real, if they dont care i dont want them to pretend they do. If i want some sort of fake fucking struggle i would rather watch american wrestling. His job is to be the best and nothing else, period. | ||
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Deadlyeye
Germany14 Posts
on the other hand, if one is eliminated and the other may still, if he wins, move on in the tourney, i think its professional to give the best. in this case, no one profited or lost anything regardless of the outcome, a game like this should never exist, and it shouldnt be the one on the big screen. i realy dont get why gom thinks its unprofessional or not competetive, there was no competition, non at all. sure, we as the fans want to see a epic battle for the honor, but i get the proplayer point, that you dont want do reveal al the good stuff you prepared for the matchup. so theres only disapointing, but completely justified (even thou a 5 mins 4 gate would have served him better). | ||
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Camdeon
United States14 Posts
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