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On October 17 2011 05:40 Despote wrote:
People will say protoss is underpower, and I'll tell them that this is only because protoss are using only gateway units.
You my friend, are a smart man.
tbh i think that the meta-game will evolve. Zergs are playing really well because they had to go through hell to play against these races when they where alot alot stronger. i still think some things about terran are kinda rediculous.
Marine.
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No, my opinions on balance are similar to MMA's: innovation is often a bigger problem, not balance.
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gsl is still all terran..... sigh
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Firstly, No I don't think recent tournaments have changed any sort of balance in my mind, but as everyone else is ranting im happy to give it a go! (Warning: I play Random, The True IMBA Race!!!)
Personally, I don't think anyone apart from the Top level of players can really comment about balance, because commenting about balance in a Bronze league game is completely different from balance in a GSL Final for example,
In bronze its easy for a Zerg to say that terran is imbalanced because in a 1 on 1 non- microed fight 100 lings (2 per marine ofc!) will loose to 50 marines, and by non-microed I mean the simple A + MOVE. Whereas at a higher level of play 100 lings could quite easy destroy 50 marines with the right surround. My point is that different levels of play have different issues of balance and imbalance and that its hard to comment on balance as a non pro because well... you cant. (Without sounding harsh)
I could argue that terran is overpowered vs zerg because they have a large amount of 1 base variety and if my overlord doesnt get into his base i have no idea what going on without either preparing for everything (which puts me behind) or just loosing when it inevitably hits.
I could argue zerg is imbalanced as protoss because they can build nothing until they see what i go for and then spam the unit which they need, not to mention they can remax quicker than any other race at an endgame situation.
I could argue protoss is imbalanced vs terran because.... Oh wait i cant (Joke!)
But hopefully you see what I mean! Its both hard to comment on imbalance at a non- pro level of gaming and also hard to say if something really is "imbalanced" because the counter might simply not be found yet or your playing it wrong.
(However to note: I think ghosts need a minor nerf, no idea what lol but something)
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No - I thought the game was balanced before the recent tournaments. I still think it's balanced.
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Nope, always felt that Protoss as a race is inherently stronger than Terran, just like in Brood War. To clarify: that doesn't mean "imbalanced". It means that in SC2, I think as long as the Protoss plays solid and deflects Terran harassment, they're in a very good position to win the game. Only exception is the 1-1-1, but like any all-in, you just have to know how to hold it. 
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Came into tournaments thinking game was about as balanced as I would like it to be.
Emerged same way. If player skill doesn't trump major imbalances, we would see race hegemony or exclusion from Top8's and finals for a sustained period of time. There is not any, and I continue to like how well Blizzard has maintained their game up till this point (with recent patch changes being quite more in tune with same-core-game minor-tweaks-and-fixes).
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I don't think the game is balanced, but if I say why I think I'll get banned.
But, recent outcomes have not changed how I feel about that.
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Blizzard should just stop fiddling with numbers (like bunker build time), and start looking at the design of the game, like why the hell terran can even salvage that bunker in the first place.
And no, recent tournament results didn't change my view on things at all.
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I feel the game is pretty balanced but some things could use a little tweak. In particular, i feel terran drops are a little too strong. With one medivac full they can snipe an imp[ortant building super quite because of stim and the high rate of fire of terran units. This can hurt the non-terran players to extreme degrees, and neither zerg nor protoss has any unit that can be dropped and kill a building for as cheap as terran can.
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Toss is OP, has been OP and will REMAIN OP...
obviously I play zerg
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On October 17 2011 14:15 tredogz wrote:
Toss is OP, has been OP and will REMAIN OP...
obviously I play zerg
I kind of agree with you in a way. Let me explain.First off, i play toss. Terran is super strong vs protoss, which is why they need things like FF, blink, and colossi (often things zerg players complain about) to be able to keep up with terran. Because abilities cant be taken out from match-up to match-up, the things that are necessary in pvt, are really strong in pvz. Idk if anyone agrees with me, thats just my opinon
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On October 17 2011 14:22 FusionMrWet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 14:15 tredogz wrote:
Toss is OP, has been OP and will REMAIN OP...
obviously I play zerg I kind of agree with you in a way. Let me explain.First off, i play toss. Terran is super strong vs protoss, which is why they need things like FF, blink, and colossi (often things zerg players complain about) to be able to keep up with terran. Because abilities cant be taken out from match-up to match-up, the things that are necessary in pvt, are really strong in pvz. Idk if anyone agrees with me, thats just my opinon
I think a protoss without forcefield would loose to a zerg who goes speedling/baneling 100% of the time lol. Or at least be contained into his base until colossus tech which sorta negates all gateway pushes.
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On October 17 2011 14:24 Harpolean wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 14:22 FusionMrWet wrote:On October 17 2011 14:15 tredogz wrote:
Toss is OP, has been OP and will REMAIN OP...
obviously I play zerg I kind of agree with you in a way. Let me explain.First off, i play toss. Terran is super strong vs protoss, which is why they need things like FF, blink, and colossi (often things zerg players complain about) to be able to keep up with terran. Because abilities cant be taken out from match-up to match-up, the things that are necessary in pvt, are really strong in pvz. Idk if anyone agrees with me, thats just my opinon I think a protoss without forcefield would loose to a zerg who goes speedling/baneling 100% of the time lol. Or at least be contained into his base until colossus tech which sorta negates all gateway pushes.
True, idk i always felt that toss is pretty damn good vs zerg, terran is good vs toss, and zerg is good vs terran, some would say thats balanced, but its not balanced if one race is only good vs one race(excluding mirrors obv). Complete balance would be like the american government, 3 branches, and all have the same power, none of them over rule the other, and starcraft 2 is not at that level-
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On October 17 2011 06:28 Klive5ive wrote:
This is just a troll-poll.
It doesn't even mean anything!
agreed
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On October 17 2011 14:30 FusionMrWet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 14:24 Harpolean wrote:On October 17 2011 14:22 FusionMrWet wrote:On October 17 2011 14:15 tredogz wrote:
Toss is OP, has been OP and will REMAIN OP...
obviously I play zerg I kind of agree with you in a way. Let me explain.First off, i play toss. Terran is super strong vs protoss, which is why they need things like FF, blink, and colossi (often things zerg players complain about) to be able to keep up with terran. Because abilities cant be taken out from match-up to match-up, the things that are necessary in pvt, are really strong in pvz. Idk if anyone agrees with me, thats just my opinon I think a protoss without forcefield would loose to a zerg who goes speedling/baneling 100% of the time lol. Or at least be contained into his base until colossus tech which sorta negates all gateway pushes. True, idk i always felt that toss is pretty damn good vs zerg, terran is good vs toss, and zerg is good vs terran, some would say thats balanced, but its not balanced if one race is only good vs one race(excluding mirrors obv). Complete balance would be like the american government, 3 branches, and all have the same power, none of them over rule the other, and starcraft 2 is not at that level-
I would try and word it less like rock, paper scissors hahaha! Most of the time its just due to personal opinion which race is good against which, for example i have a lot of confidence in going into a zvp rather then a zvt but thats just me :-)
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Some of the Zergs (Sheth, Machine?) been saying Protoss underpowered, and I agree with them (see how silly I am!)
Now, I have a better opinion of Protoss
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Terran are not balanced at all. Mules need to be nerfed, as do Maraders and Ghosts. The problem of course is that if Maraders are nefered, it would have such a huge effect on other matches (mainly TvZ with roaches). I think there's a balance that can be found between a nerf and keeping them relevant.
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Its hasent changed my opinion, I still think the game is balanced
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