EPTHave the recent tournament results changed your opinion on…
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tsuxiit
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
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WickedSkies
Netherlands81 Posts
On October 17 2011 04:14 Talin wrote: No, the game is fine. No, the game is heavily favoring zerg. | ||
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Yergidy
United States2107 Posts
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deathly rat
United Kingdom911 Posts
It is patently obvious that zerg has no options vs terran in the early game and can only hope to defend against a wide variety of aggression, harass and all ins. There is no unit combination for Z to effeciently fight vs colosus based deathball. Ghosts are good against everything protoss and zerg have. Hellions are cheap but potentially game ending. Don't ever mention any of this though. | ||
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FishBones
Australia195 Posts
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MyTHicaL
France1070 Posts
On October 17 2011 09:27 deathly rat wrote: You can't say anything about balance on TL without being accussed of whining or having the thread closed. It is patently obvious that zerg has no options vs terran in the early game and can only hope to defend against a wide variety of aggression, harass and all ins. There is no unit combination for Z to effeciently fight vs colosus based deathball. Ghosts are good against everything protoss and zerg have. Hellions are cheap but potentially game ending. Don't ever mention any of this though. You're actually complaining about imbalance towards zerg? rofl.... I'm saying this as a random player... U actually made me laugh xd. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
Huk and MC showed that played the right way protoss is no weaker than the other 2 races at the highest levels today. If a player losers they got outplayed, enough said. | ||
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kilergrunt
United States263 Posts
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Apollo_Shards
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On October 17 2011 04:40 TheBomb wrote: No. I always thought Zerg is the most powerful race and that they just didn't have good enough players to show it apart from Nestea and recently its been shown that zerg are way too powerful when played at its best. It also reafirms my thoughts that Protoss is the weakest race at the moment and that they need a bit of buffs to get back in the game. It makes sense to balance the game for Korea as that is where the best players play and the fact that no protoss has been able to do any good just shows that at the highest levels of play protoss are no doubt the weaker race. The problem with Korea isn't balance, it's the way that GSL has been set up and the fact that the rankings are still loosely based upon how well people were doing a year ago (back when Terran was, the strongest race). It's really difficult to get through Code A and get into Code S--however, it isn't impossible. Puzzle, for instance, was a really great player who was not in Code S until his run through Code A. I understand that you want to balance the game for Korea (and I understand your argument), but I think that the main reason isn't because Terran is that much better, but rather that the Korean Terran metagame is more developed than that of any other race. Outside of Korea, the various strategies and styles have developed at about the same pace for each race, and frankly the distribution of winners of tournaments has been pretty balanced, with a slight favor to Protoss players winning it (excluding Koreans, I feel like I see more Protoss players ranking high such as White-Ra, HuK, NaNiwa, MaNa, ect.). Korea, on the other hand is totally different. First you have tournaments filled with Terran players because half of them qualified to be there six months to an entire year ago and have scraped by to stay in. The other reason for the huge number of great Terran players is because you have houses like SlayerS and IM that are these huge congregations of mostly Terran players. Namely, the SlayerS house seems to consistently come up with new innovative styles that are so fresh and new when used in tournaments, that nobody has any real idea how to handle them (aka MLG Anaheim...). Personally, I think the game was pretty balanced back before the Blue Flame Hellion and Barracks time nerfs, but now Terran is slightly weaker (but not too much so). I think that Blizzard needs to give more time to new strategies, rather than nerfing them the second that they win a major tournament (Reaper speed, Thor cannons, Blue Flame Hellions, ect.  ). I think that with the latest patch, while Terrans will still win in Korea, outside of Korea we're not going to see many Terrans win tournaments other than those who have stayed in Korea.Overall though I think the game is pretty balanced, and recent results haven't really changed my view. | ||
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ThisGS
Germany255 Posts
I didnt expect protoss to be able to top 2 (the bracket for both couldve been harder, but they were not easy, just standard prolly) with MKP, Bomber, thestc and polt in the tournament. Although i believe neither MC nor HuK wouldve been able to beat Bomber, i gained some faith in the race i play again. | ||
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omarjuul
Netherlands7 Posts
On October 17 2011 05:35 green.at wrote: protoss is fine, protoss player on the other hand ..... Okay so every progamer that plays protoss just happens to be weaker or train less than his zerg or terran buddies? I chose 'a little' as (spoilers about MLG Orlando) + Show Spoiler + seeing 2 protosses in the finals tonight made me believe they actually still have some power. HuK made StG look so weak in the match on Antiga Shipyard especially, imho. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
Terran still too versatile Protoss still too rigid and fragile | ||
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black3200
Canada74 Posts
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uThermal
Netherlands165 Posts
On October 17 2011 09:27 deathly rat wrote: You can't say anything about balance on TL without being accussed of whining or having the thread closed. It is patently obvious that zerg has no options vs terran in the early game and can only hope to defend against a wide variety of aggression, harass and all ins. There is no unit combination for Z to effeciently fight vs colosus based deathball. Ghosts are good against everything protoss and zerg have. Hellions are cheap but potentially game ending. Don't ever mention any of this though. i wonder what race u play  | ||
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Archeon
3253 Posts
On October 17 2011 10:05 ThisGS wrote: A little bit. I didnt expect protoss to be able to top 2 (the bracket for both couldve been harder, but they were not easy, just standard prolly) with MKP, Bomber, thestc and polt in the tournament. Although i believe neither MC nor HuK wouldve been able to beat Bomber, i gained some faith in the race i play again. pretty much my opinion too. quite surprising that Bomber lost one match to each race (wtf, SaSe?), but apart from that polt, thestc and MKP are only the bottom half of the code-s-terrans. i dont think that you can decide overall balance when one of the best, if not the best current playing P wins the tournament, if like the 8 most successive Ts and 3 most successive Zs arent even participating. but it increases the impression that toss is coming back, so i voted a little bit. | ||
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
It is the ever evolving strategies and apparent effectiveness or futility of them across many games which decides my opinions on balance. | ||
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