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GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
October 17 2011 01:48 GMT
#81
no, terran protoss still imba in my eyes
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Imdabossg
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3 Posts
October 17 2011 01:59 GMT
#82
One thing to look at when considering balance is how many zerg, protoss, or terran are in the tournament to begin with the last MLG had a much more balanced number than some before it so it is no wonder that the semifinals where so mixed. Same with IPL 3.
Gbaby
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2 Posts
October 17 2011 02:00 GMT
#83
Terran is op, seriously marines are amazing, blizzard wake up and balance the game.
U mad bro?
Trsjnica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States477 Posts
October 17 2011 02:11 GMT
#84
No, Terrans are still a bit too strong at the highest levels (Korean pro-level, and the few foreigners that can compete). MLG/IEM are both really fun tournaments, but the size of the field (in terms of top-level, Code S-capable players) is too small to really draw much from the results.
Doof
Profile Joined October 2010
United States204 Posts
October 17 2011 02:20 GMT
#85
I feel I should preface this by saying I play Protoss, and thus may be a little biased...

I think there is a fundamental problem with the game balance as it stands. The problem is, of course, Terran. As a race, they are not only the best at being defensive, they are also the most flexible when it comes to tech. Siege mode and PFs make bases impenetrable to a HUGE variety of ground-based attacks. Bunkers are really good, salvageable, and require only a barracks to construct (Toss must have forge for our static D). Furthermore, Terran tech, due to the add-on mechanic, is extremely flexible. It's quite easy for them to swap reactors and tech labs to get out the exact right composition that they need. Combine this with the fact that they have the best ability to be defensive, and Terran can have the perfect composition in nearly every fight they choose to engage in.

Zerg is, of course, even more flexible than Terran in this regard, but the simple fact remains that Zerg units are (by design) weaker than Terran units. That's just how The Swarm operates. Meanwhile Protoss is so inflexible in their tech that once their chosen tech is sufficiently countered, they're no threat until they can get up another form of an advantage.

No one is playing perfectly right now (Nestea and MVP are damn close, though), and until players get near perfect, the true balance of the game can't be seen. All we have to go on is theorycrafting, and theoretically, I dont' see any way either of the other races can beat a Terran in a game where neither player makes mistakes.
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mumming
Profile Joined June 2010
Faroe Islands256 Posts
October 17 2011 02:26 GMT
#86
No. Protoss was never underpowered. It just wasn't used right.
clanbrown
Profile Joined August 2011
United States9 Posts
October 17 2011 02:29 GMT
#87
the game balance is fine, protoss players have been playing very poorly so they havent been winning. dont blame balance for everything blame the players preparation.

1.4 did very little to help balance this game but people will credit the patch so they dont have to admit their favorite player is/was playing bad
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
October 17 2011 02:33 GMT
#88
Most of the protoss changes weren't really balancing but changing the unit to what they should have been in the first place
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sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
October 17 2011 02:35 GMT
#89
I've thought terran is OP for a while now and still do, but I play zerg so yea...

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Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 02:47:58
October 17 2011 02:47 GMT
#90
It's impossible to tell if the game is balanced or not because nobody, even at the top level, is playing very well yet. We see a multitude of mistakes every single game from every single "top" player, and even without mistakes, there are obvious areas where there is room for more efficiency and better play.
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
October 17 2011 02:51 GMT
#91
Nope, never thought the game was violently imbalanced.
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
October 17 2011 02:53 GMT
#92
idk what toss can do to be in code S more, but with MC's return to code S i think all is right in the world of balance. Maybe we just need to be more like Sage and MC
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ExorArgus
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada46 Posts
October 17 2011 02:56 GMT
#93
I see people saying that protoss are still "underpowered" not only did a protoss win MLG. But it was a PvP finals...
Some people tell me Protoss is OP, Zerg can have over 200 supply, terrans can have kill their SCV and use mules. I hate probes.
JACCUZISPLAT
Profile Joined October 2011
Uzbekistan76 Posts
October 17 2011 03:19 GMT
#94
Honestly I still think Terran is still strong. I'm very interested in what Browder has to say at blizzcon.
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Graham
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1259 Posts
October 17 2011 03:20 GMT
#95
No because I thought the game was balanced beforehand and I still think it is.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
October 17 2011 03:28 GMT
#96
I still think protoss has problems in the early game and against late game zerg, but overall, the balance is significantly better thanks to the patch. I'm looking forward to an surge of protoss in code A next season.
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ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
October 17 2011 03:47 GMT
#97
On October 17 2011 11:56 ExorArgus wrote:
I see people saying that protoss are still "underpowered" not only did a protoss win MLG. But it was a PvP finals...

Yeah because that actually means anything. Both players only beat a few terrans and balance can't be judged on a few series. Because there was basically an all Protoss group this was bound to happen. Also Huk and MC are the best protosses of all time, MC has been out of form but he's actually won a GSL (two infact) which is more than any other protoss can say. What we saw at MLG were two protosses overcoming the current imbalance by massively outplaying their opponents in a very limited amount of games.

Protoss is losing far too much to Terran and Zerg in silly ways. Protoss is far too fragile and far to cost ineffective against terran, and far too impotent against zerg.
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AusBox
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia214 Posts
October 17 2011 04:03 GMT
#98
Nope, my views haven't changed. When the GSL is race balanced and every race is winning tournaments evenly when all the best players from each race are involved, then maybe my judgement will change.
Zebrapudding
Profile Joined March 2011
United States66 Posts
October 17 2011 04:03 GMT
#99
EMP still does way to much damage to the protoss army, especially for its cost..
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
October 17 2011 04:08 GMT
#100
No, it hasn't changed my opinion on balance, which is largely based around the fact that terran has too many options and is thus fluid as opposed to the stoic nature of Protoss and the economic nature of Zerg.

That and ghosts.

Other recent tournament results show MVP being unbeatable, MKP winning a tournament, MMA seemingly becoming hard to beat and Taeja making ELO points look like a joke. So despite four recent zerg wins and now 1 protoss win, yeah toss ain't suddenly looking part of the crowd. I do think the patch has definitely helped though.
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