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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On March 20 2010 00:34 Nick_54 wrote: Plexa is an MBC Hero fan and hates Oz. You really think he is gonna put Jaedong over Light? I doubt it, yes. However, the PR is pretty much irrelevant if it is not about the strength of the players but about what team the guy in charge is fan of. So I still hope that either he will overcome his bias in the future or someone else will make PR again. | ||
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nodule
Canada931 Posts
It's fine to disagree with the PR, which after all is a product of opinion. But to constantly claim bias just means you have no respect at all for their judgment. If that is true, I have no idea why you are participating in a discussion of it. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On March 23 2010 06:20 Fenrax wrote: I doubt it, yes. However, the PR is pretty much irrelevant if it is not about the strength of the players but about what team the guy in charge is fan of. So I still hope that either he will overcome his bias in the future or someone else will make PR again. Atleast he didn't have JWD's SKT1 bias or djetterstyle's anti rA bias. Or even Fakesteve's anti hwasin / backho / stork bias. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On March 23 2010 18:02 Iplaythings wrote: Atleast he didn't have JWD's SKT1 bias or djetterstyle's anti rA bias. Or even Fakesteve's anti hwasin / backho / stork bias. I like to think I give credit where its due. For instance, even though I put stork above Jaedong in December (because I felt he deserved it), his performance in January was pretty terrible (despite good results, the games were just bad) and he dropped down to 9. Yes I'm very bias when I write or post, but I think the best indication that I try to be impartial as possible on the PR is how low Kwanro is on this rank and how much of a fan of him I am. | ||
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wswordsmen
United States987 Posts
 Neo.G_Soulkey get CBNC for all killing STX during the WL playoffs. IMO since STX has some good players (Kal, and Calm most notably). Also just so it's clear this is not an argument to put Soulkey on the power rank but on CBNC since 1 all-kill isn't enough to put a player in the top ten. | ||
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
On March 23 2010 00:44 TwoToneTerran wrote: Flash's most successful point in his career was when Terrans were doing the absolute worst due to horribly TvP maps. OSL + GSI +deep berth in MSL + PL domination in 08. He's probably gonna pass that up this season. Also he just won an OSL off of tough maps for Terran like HBR. This is a very important point. Flash has always done very well on poor Terran maps (Katrina and Medusa for example) | ||
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okum
France5777 Posts
The first player who did that incidentally being Light. | ||
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SimonB
United States1088 Posts
On March 25 2010 15:41 okum wrote: Though even Flash couldn't overcome Battle Royal. The first player who did that incidentally being Light. Christ, I forgot about that map. Has there ever been a more unbalanced map? Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 4-10 (28.6%) [ Games ] ZvP: 4-5 (44.4%) [ Games ] PvT: 0-0 (0%) [ Games ] Mirrors: 0 TvT | 71 ZvZ | 1 PvP All but ONE game on record includes a zerg (and that one was a Minors game), and 76% were ZvZs. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On March 22 2010 22:31 SuperArc wrote: It is. We had protoss maps who was the best player? Bisu. We had zerg maps, who was the best player? Jaedong. We now have terran maps, who is the best player? Flash. I used to think too that those three players defy imbalances. They do to some extent, but I doubt Flash would be dominating so much if we had the same maps as last year. This is why savior's dominance was so great. Err what? Flash really came into himself when there were protoss maps abound.. You have a point somewhat but Flash more than any other progamer was always able to defy map imbalances to shocking degrees. He wouldn't "just" make them even...he would get ridiculous 14-1 type records on them. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On March 25 2010 20:49 Jayme wrote: Err what? Flash really came into himself when there were protoss maps abound.. You have a point somewhat but Flash more than any other progamer was always able to defy map imbalances to shocking degrees. He wouldn't "just" make them even...he would get ridiculous 14-1 type records on them. I am talking of protoss maps like the one MSL where all Ro4 players were protoss. And Stork won the OSL. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On March 25 2010 21:38 SuperArc wrote: I am talking of protoss maps like the one MSL where all Ro4 players were protoss. And Stork won the OSL. Yes, think Medusa. (Flash did well on that map but Bisu just did better.) | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On March 26 2010 00:26 TwoToneTerran wrote: Bisu did better overall but Flash was 2-1 against him on it. =D (yay Flash!) Bisu won an MSL and a GSL while Medusa was in the map pool, and Stork won an OSL. Flash did great on the map but it still helped protoss dominate. | ||
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
With a golden mouse it's going to be really hard to not call him bonjwa. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Jaedong lacks the super dominating presence of a bonjwa, but he makes up for it with his incredibly strong mentality and tenacity. Mentally speaking, he's the strongest BO5 player in the history of the game. He doesn't get spooked when something unexpected happens, he learns from it on the spot. And on top of having that kind of super clear head under pressure, he's good at preparing builds in advance. The problem with JD is that lack of super dominance. How many players can and have proven themselves able to go toe-to-toe with JD in the past? Of course that trait of having many "rivals" has been seen once before in a bonjwa, in Boxer, but those are some god damned big shoes to fill. By comparison, Flash has bonjwa like dominance in his game play. You just do not expect him to lose, no matter what odds are stacked against him. Bad map? Who cares. Tough opponent? Doesn't matter. You're stupid to seriously bet against him. And that's what being a bonjwa is all about, but it's really hard to call Flash bonjwa when JD is the one winning more trophies. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On March 27 2010 00:27 Mortality wrote: The only reason Flash isn't called a bonjwa already is Jaedong. The only reason why Jaedong isn't called a bonjwa is Flash. Jaedong lacks the super dominating presence of a bonjwa, but he makes up for it with his incredibly strong mentality and tenacity. Mentally speaking, he's the strongest BO5 player in the history of the game. He doesn't get spooked when something unexpected happens, he learns from it on the spot. And on top of having that kind of super clear head under pressure, he's good at preparing builds in advance. The problem with JD is that lack of super dominance. How many players can and have proven themselves able to go toe-to-toe with JD in the past? Of course that trait of having many "rivals" has been seen once before in a bonjwa, in Boxer, but those are some god damned big shoes to fill. By comparison, Flash has bonjwa like dominance in his game play. You just do not expect him to lose, no matter what odds are stacked against him. Bad map? Who cares. Tough opponent? Doesn't matter. You're stupid to seriously bet against him. And that's what being a bonjwa is all about, but it's really hard to call Flash bonjwa when JD is the one winning more trophies. All of that is why the LeeSsangRok is the most epic rivalry of all time, barring LimJinRok if you're oldschool. More Flash-Jaedong finals please! | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
On March 27 2010 02:01 Djabanete wrote: All of that is why the LeeSsangRok is the most epic rivalry of all time, barring LimJinRok if you're oldschool. More Flash-Jaedong finals please! LimJinRok will never be matched and I mean that quite literally -- given SC2 coming out, it would be impossible to match it. Flash and JD have faced each other only 28 times. Boxer and Yellow faced off a whopping 64 times, and to this day the record is fairly even. Granted, the older tournament formats virtually guaranteed that top players would run into each other with much greater relative frequency, but it's ridiculous to think of how many times those two went at it in a semi-finals or finals. LeeSsangRok has absolutely nothing on LimJinRok. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On March 27 2010 02:33 Mortality wrote: LimJinRok will never be matched and I mean that quite literally -- given SC2 coming out, it would be impossible to match it. Flash and JD have faced each other only 28 times. Boxer and Yellow faced off a whopping 64 times, and to this day the record is fairly even. Granted, the older tournament formats virtually guaranteed that top players would run into each other with much greater relative frequency, but it's ridiculous to think of how many times those two went at it in a semi-finals or finals. LeeSsangRok has absolutely nothing on LimJinRok. I'd be inclined to agree with you if Rivalries could only be measured by number of games... However, it's quite a stretch to say that LeeSsangRok has nothing on LimJinRok. If nothing else, the level of mechanics on display in Flash-JD games completely blows Yellow-Boxer games out of the water. They're probably comparable for their eras, but just the difference in timeframes makes comparing them and calling one strictly better or worse silly and pointless. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
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