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lucb
Belgium5 Posts
 but still he's the good one, one that got hurt badly by community. lets cry for hypro. i dont give a f**k about mistrzz, but 'evidence' for him was nowwhere as good as in hypros case (we assume this move was suspicious enough, lol). but i admit he acts like idiot, hence the community outside Poland dislikes him. be consistent. the scene wont get better becouse of such decisions. | ||
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Ja50n
Poland9 Posts
Show us screens not useless posts. | ||
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Texas
Germany2388 Posts
 get rid of that broodwar scum, good decision in banning them. | ||
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Ja50n
Poland9 Posts
Im not MistrZZZ fan boy at all,this case is just silly,and plz show me some "retarded smileys" cuz i dont see any. Pathetic ~~ | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
We will not explain our methods used to determine this. Why? The same reason iCCup doesn't make their anti-hack open source. If you don't like this, QQ more. Haypro's case was investigated and he is far from on a clean slate and it will be reviewed as is seen fit. We do not devulge our processes of investigating previous hackers so that their is no chance for adaptation to our methods. | ||
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cba
Australia94 Posts
cmon mate, play more. do it for the aussies. we all know you are good enough. | ||
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Tindermate
United States19 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
Here we are, putting countless hours into creating and running a tournament on the largest scale a community-run tournament has ever reached, and people have the gall to say we're playing favorites and being biased in our decisions? We spent hours analyzing every aspect of the Mistrzzz situation, and decided that this was the best course of action. I'm not at all pleased to see the short-sightedness of some of the posts here, to accuse us of being so utterly juvenile is a slap in the face considering the sheer workload that goes into TSL. I just banned a few of these guys. Will people now start to tell us our stance on ignorance is "wrong"? I sincerely hope not. There are also posts that merely criticize the decision without crossing the line into offensiveness. These, of course, I have no problem with. This is our first time running something like this, and it is certainly permitted to disagree with our decisions or offer your own perspective on the matter. Obviously we aren't perfect, but we try to make the best decisions in any given situation, and I think we made the right one here. | ||
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Jusciax
Lithuania588 Posts
Good job TL at taking this hacking stuff into your own hands and actually doing something about it, i'm pretty sure they are as professional as hacker investigation can get. Keep it up, i bet it's not easy. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
You cant argue that one hacked 1 year ago and the other 2 ,3 or even 4 and the other just a few months ago. If you dont want to look biased you basicaly have to ban every person who once hacked or cheated. I think decisions were made to fast this time. Im really excited how you will handle this. But imho theres no reason to ban kyopo,mistrizzz,Oldy,sO.o ( even though i hate him and would ban him right away ) but not to ban Testie, Trek and every other person who used to hack. Dont get me wrong im not trying to get anyone banned who basicaly didnt do anything bad for decades now.. but u have to stay AS OBJECTIVE as possible if u ask me. Money is on the line and decisions like banning certain hackers and not banning others seems not good. Or at least state a rule that says : If your hacking incidents are already one or two years ago and you didnt get caught hacking since then.. u may play.. but .. u see.. its getting a bit complicated when u start banning certain hackers and not banning certain other hackers.. | ||
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kAra
Germany1467 Posts
damn i got no time to play for the moment .. | ||
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littlechava
United States7221 Posts
On April 04 2008 16:49 MaGic~PhiL wrote: in my opinion by banning the hackers u did something good BUT on the other hand there is no logical reason to let anyone who did ever hack stay in this tournament. And even if some people might go crazy now .. objectively.. testie and trek would have to be banned , too.. You cant argue that one hacked 1 year ago and the other 2 ,3 or even 4 and the other just a few months ago. If you dont want to look biased you basicaly have to ban every person who once hacked or cheated. I think decisions were made to fast this time. Im really excited how you will handle this. But imho theres no reason to ban kyopo,mistrizzz,Oldy,sO.o ( even though i hate him and would ban him right away ) but not to ban Testie, Trek and every other person who used to hack. Dont get me wrong im not trying to get anyone banned who basicaly didnt do anything bad for decades now.. but u have to stay AS OBJECTIVE as possible if u ask me. Money is on the line and decisions like banning certain hackers and not banning others seems not good. Or at least state a rule that says : If your hacking incidents are already one or two years ago and you didnt get caught hacking since then.. u may play.. but .. u see.. its getting a bit complicated when u start banning certain hackers and not banning certain other hackers.. a rule like that isn't necessary. anyone in their right mind can see that guys like trek and testie who have apologized and proved themselves not to be hackers time and time again shouldn't be lopped into the same category as douchebags like the guys banned who were caught hacking, offered no apology, and offered no evidence as to whether or not they stopped hacking. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On April 04 2008 16:49 MaGic~PhiL wrote: in my opinion by banning the hackers u did something good BUT on the other hand there is no logical reason to let anyone who did ever hack stay in this tournament. And even if some people might go crazy now .. objectively.. testie and trek would have to be banned , too.. You cant argue that one hacked 1 year ago and the other 2 ,3 or even 4 and the other just a few months ago. If you dont want to look biased you basicaly have to ban every person who one hacked or cheated. I think decisions were made to fast this time. Im really excited how you will handle this. But imho theres no reason to ban kyopo,mistrizzz,Oldy,sO.o ( even though i hate him and would ban him right away ) but not to band Testie, Trek and every other person who used to hack. Or at least state a rule that says : If your hacking incidents are already one or two years ago and you didnt get caught hacking since then.. u may play.. but .. u see.. its getting a bit complicated when u start banning certain hackers and not banning certain other hackers.. One of the benefits of a tournament like this being run by a large community site is that we ourselves are members of the community. A player who has immersed himself in this community and proven his legitimacy in the manner that Testie has should be given properly relative leniency. Testie does not hack. This isn't something people wonder about, this is a fact. We do recognize that money does strange things to people, though, and obviously Testie is a sensitive subject. We'll make a decision on how to handle that situation when that decision needs to be made. Factoring in what we know about certain players is a much better course of action than simply making broad, sweeping generalizations, because we know better. Testie has paid his dues to the community; banning him from TSL outright wouldn't be fair. That said, not every player under suspicion has been thought through yet. The ones that were banned already are simply the players we have already made decisions about. We aren't saying that every suspected player that remains on the ladder will walk, and we aren't saying that every suspected player is doomed. No one should have any reason to interpret us as taking either stance. This is, obviously, a delicate matter. Things need to be taken case-by-case, and that's what we're doing. We will still require some players to record FPVods during their games if they make it to the top 48, which will alleviate any sort of concerns one way or another. | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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lucb
Belgium5 Posts
however, the whole thing is great, you make tremendous work so far, i apreciate that. Even if i disagree with your decisions so far. | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
On April 04 2008 16:25 lucb wrote: be consistent, for gods sake. you ban Oldy? lol. ban Haypro too. its most ridicolous thing in whole hack thing, that you truly belive him and defend him. there were like ~5 good players caught with automine option, haypro within them. what further proof you want? i have tons of suspicious moves in his replays, not good enough for being evidence though (or not good enough for you respectively). do you expect this guy is retarded and will make perfect counterdrop or sth like that every game? for gods sake, he studies mathematics, he cant be so stupid but still he's the good one, one that got hurt badly by community. lets cry for hypro. i dont give a f**k about mistrzz, but 'evidence' for him was nowwhere as good as in hypros case (we assume this move was suspicious enough, lol). but i admit he acts like idiot, hence the community outside Poland dislikes him. be consistent. the scene wont get better becouse of such decisions. Who is this hypro you are speaking of. Who is crying btw? I guess mistrzz simply wont ever realise that being manner will help you in life, whatever it is. Haypro never maphacked. Lets not have another hackerdiscussion! | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
you all will be hearing from my lawyer | ||
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
On April 04 2008 16:49 MaGic~PhiL wrote: in my opinion by banning the hackers u did something good BUT on the other hand there is no logical reason to let anyone who did ever hack stay in this tournament. And even if some people might go crazy now .. objectively.. testie and trek would have to be banned , too.. You cant argue that one hacked 1 year ago and the other 2 ,3 or even 4 and the other just a few months ago. If you dont want to look biased you basicaly have to ban every person who once hacked or cheated. I think decisions were made to fast this time. Im really excited how you will handle this. But imho theres no reason to ban kyopo,mistrizzz,Oldy,sO.o ( even though i hate him and would ban him right away ) but not to ban Testie, Trek and every other person who used to hack. Dont get me wrong im not trying to get anyone banned who basicaly didnt do anything bad for decades now.. but u have to stay AS OBJECTIVE as possible if u ask me. Money is on the line and decisions like banning certain hackers and not banning others seems not good. Or at least state a rule that says : If your hacking incidents are already one or two years ago and you didnt get caught hacking since then.. u may play.. but .. u see.. its getting a bit complicated when u start banning certain hackers and not banning certain other hackers.. You want a hacker to serve a lifetime sentence ? Maybe if stated in beforehand : X crime equals X punishment 1 year ban for hacking seems more than fair for most ppl , but some ppl will never stop hacking ofc since they simply dont care, i dont even understand why ppl want to defend mistrzz, is he a completely different guy @ the polish forums or whatsup? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
Or at least state a rule that says : If your hacking incidents are already one or two years ago and you didnt get caught hacking since then.. u may play.. but .. u see.. its getting a bit complicated when u start banning certain hackers and not banning certain other hackers.. theyre being far more objective than they really need to be. the only apparent exception theyve made is haypro and given his circumstances i dont see how anyone can really argue it. it would be perfectly reasonable for them to take it upon themselves to judge who has redeemed themselves and who hasnt, instead theyve just set a cutoff point. seems like a fairly generous position imo. | ||
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