ya hes the american smurf tsl-slugworth or something like that. he wasnt banned because he was caught in the war of the states tourny which was more than a year ago.

Ja50n

Poland9 Posts

April 04 2008 06:48 GMT

#83

Omg plz any 1 from TL post 1 REAL PROOF about MistrZZZ drop hack,why he would drop hack some 1 in 4 min game when no 1 had advantage?I fell really bad for him cuz again he was accused by some racist people whit no life who just cant stand when some 1 is better then him.
SAY YES TO MISTRZZZ BAN AND NO TO TT1,the funiest thing is that till now NO 1 AGAIN NO 1 post any real proof about MistrZZZ hacking so sad...Ban Pole who no 1 like and allow to play our good friends.I thought this site was make by mature people,but it seems im horrible wrong.

Dunno if you guys care about it but i tell it just to feel good to myself,whit those silly decisions about MistrZZZ,you lose so much viewers and watchers of TLS and my aswell.

TT1 FOR THE WIN!

And 1 more thing post plx those "significant evidence" cuz for now we just have words vs words.TY

Ilvy

Germany2445 Posts

April 04 2008 06:50 GMT

#84

It´s good that you changed your mind there, even if i understud your reason to let them play before.

EGLzGaMeR

United States1867 Posts

April 04 2008 06:53 GMT

#85

greatest thing thats every happend to sc... GREAT JOB TEAM LIQUID!!!!!!!!!!

Aurious

Canada1772 Posts

April 04 2008 06:53 GMT

#86

On April 04 2008 15:48 Ja50n wrote:
Omg plz any 1 from TL post 1 REAL PROOF about MistrZZZ drop hack,why he would drop hack some 1 in 4 min game when no 1 had advantage?I fell really bad for him cuz again he was accused by some racist people whit no life who just cant stand when some 1 is better then him.
SAY YES TO MISTRZZZ BAN AND NO TO TT1,the funiest thing is that till now NO 1 AGAIN NO 1 post any real proof about MistrZZZ hacking so sad...Ban Pole who no 1 like and allow to play our good friends.I thought this site was make by mature people,but it seems im horrible wrong.

Dunno if you guys care about it but i tell it just to feel good to myself,whit those silly decisions about MistrZZZ,you lose so much viewers and watchers of TLS and my aswell.

TT1 FOR THE WIN!

And 1 more thing post plx those "significant evidence" cuz for now we just have words vs words.TY

Shut the fuck up, you whiny bitch.

soadpro

1 Post

April 04 2008 06:56 GMT

#87

MistrZZZ case is judged based on BIASED opinions of ppl who were involved in the conflict and surely showed Teamliquid crew up. First and foremost, for those who have not seen the replay

http://netwars.pl/download.php?numer=131164

Here it is. As anyone can see MistrZZZ had no reason to drop from this particular game. Neither him, nor his opponent had slightest advantage. It would be obviously ludicrous to use drophack since in this particular game, at that particular moment it was obviously anyone's game. Thus we have NO motive.

Most of MistrZZZ's bad reputation comes from Paranoid's and Hullah's accusations and his so-called "bad manner". Yet, it remains unknown for most foreigners that Paranoid actually DID admit that his accusations were false. One may wonder why - but it is quite obvious. He had enough courage only to tell it to the Polish SC community. And, talking of Hullah, he turned out to be the only cheater involved in that case. If anyone got any doubts please check out his profile @ WGT. When it comes to MistrZZZ's bad manner... I cant argue with that to be honest. But when I think of TSL ranking there are "bigger" names than MistrZZZ in terms of manners, like Idra.

To sum up, frankly I dont care that much as I seem to. After all, its your tournament and your rules. But bias can be smelled in the air by everyone. Some hackers banned, good point, but others not - like haypro. I can understand that you are not banning TreK becouse he hacked "back in the days", and the rest of hackers were caught rather recently. But this event is like one of a kind, first such tremendous tournament for foreigners ever. So it is unfair that some hackers that happened to hack just before the event are not equal to those who hacked years before the event. Hacker is always a hacker, no matter what hour or day he hacked.

PS. Mind that this case may make relatons between US and Polish SCene go from bad to worse, spirits in Poland are liek "lets burn TL.net and make a war". Funny, but true.

Gretings.

Ja50n

Poland9 Posts

April 04 2008 06:56 GMT

#88

So i think im not wrong,canadian people own this site HOLLA TT1.
Say yes to brainless kids,go watch some more wrestling(lol)

"Hacker is always a hacker, no matter what hour or day he hacked"
So true.

SonuvBob

Aiur21549 Posts

April 04 2008 07:02 GMT

#89

We all hate TT1 too, we'll let you know if we find proof he hacks.

Ja50n

Poland9 Posts

April 04 2008 07:03 GMT

#90

First maybe show us 1 proof about MistrZZZ?Proofs about TT1 hacks?This is a joke right?

SpiralArchitect

United States2116 Posts

April 04 2008 07:09 GMT

#91

Actually if you watch the game again, Mistrzzz is behind in his expansion (all admit not by much but still behind) and also late with his core. Not that this gives him a reason to drop hack but you cannot say it was dead even.

mdb

Bulgaria4059 Posts

April 04 2008 07:09 GMT

#92

I support wholeheartedly banning hackers, but without showing proof for disc hack from Mistrzzz, and banning him only for being BM is not correct imo.

Polyphasic

United States841 Posts

April 04 2008 07:12 GMT

#93

Lol @

I am a noob myself. Go noobs! I remember when I had my 1-15 record on Iccup when I just started. my first time I won a game I was like omg O___O I ... i... i won!? omigosh, I WON! *checks replay* *eats icecream*

SpiralArchitect

United States2116 Posts

April 04 2008 07:15 GMT

#94

Hey being at the bottom is the shit! some1s gotta do it and we have all been there so lets give a round of applause for these good people!

Ja50n

Poland9 Posts

April 04 2008 07:16 GMT

#95

Yes MistrZZZ disc hack cuz he forgot to build 1 probe and this would be impossible to comeback.
LOL

maVi

Germany542 Posts

April 04 2008 07:17 GMT

#96

<3 <3 <3 TL

True_Spike

Poland3426 Posts

April 04 2008 07:19 GMT

#97

While I do support getting rid of hackers (heck, I life-banned like 600 accounts at WGT back in my day), but I don't think that going paranoic and banning everyone based on pure suspicion is a good thing. Making sure the event goes smoothly is just as important as treating every participant the same way.

Kennigit

Canada19447 Posts

April 04 2008 07:20 GMT

#98

A number of the organizing staff tested the replay, analysed the method of drop used and found significant evidence not only to show that Mistrzzz had infact abused this method but that it would have been impossible for drop to have taken place by other means. I will not go into great detail to the methods used in this investigation at this point but the drop and mistrzzz's own words after the fact made it event that he had been aware of what he was doing.

You can feel bad, you can accuse TL Staff of biases but i would suggest you save your energy and just enjoy the rest of the league.

Hot_Bid

Braavos36379 Posts

April 04 2008 07:21 GMT

#99

We already said we had conclusive proof through replay. It's not because he's BM, it's not because someone accused him, it's not because we're biased. The fact that the game is close or not has no bearing on our decision and has no impact on whether the proof is concrete.

On April 04 2008 16:19 True_Spike wrote:
While I do support getting rid of hackers (heck, I life-banned like 600 accounts at WGT back in my day), but I don't think that going paranoic and banning everyone based on pure suspicion is a good thing. Making sure the event goes smoothly is just as important as treating every participant the same way.

I agree. Good thing what we did wasn't even close to "going paranoic" or banning based on pure suspicion.

True_Spike

Poland3426 Posts

April 04 2008 07:24 GMT

#100

Why not post all the proof then? As I understand it must have something to do with actions in bwchart, if everyone knew what to look for it'd be so much easier to find more abusers.

As for Mistrz's behaviour after the game, you *do* realize he loves acting like a prick no matter the circumstances.

I belive in TL.net, I don't think you'd ban anyone for no reason, I'm just curious about the reason itself.