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KorvspaD
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Sweden468 Posts
April 04 2008 17:05 GMT
#181
Just wait, if g5 is prooven guilty too he will be banned just like mistrzzz, just wait I'm sure they'll make some statement soon.
for all we could have done and all that could have been...
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-04 17:07:44
April 04 2008 17:07 GMT
#182
If G5 is proven guilty then Mistrz should be unbanned, because of what Walen just posted. Given the fact he's a ladder SA over at ICCup I think he knows what he's talking about.
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
April 04 2008 17:07 GMT
#183
Just as Trek says. They obviously can't come out with the exact way to proove that he was in fact drop-hacking, because then the hack-developers would come up with a "solution" to that pretty fast, and be one step ahead (as most hacks / hijacks / whatsoever mostly are) again. Just think logical, Polish fanboys...why would the admins lie about having the exact method and proof if they put so much dedication to the event? Do you think they lie about that too? Then you're beyond salvation, look at what they've done so far.

I'd suggest you play a game of Mafia if this kind of logical thinking doesn't suit you yet, it helps to improve. Trust me.

Even though I stopped playing SC again (screw Testie and DotA <3) TL staff deserves mad props for this. And of course: gogo Ace[F2F]!
Complete the cycle!
JackDanniels
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland10 Posts
April 04 2008 17:09 GMT
#184
Facts:
-Apr 01 : G5 use drophack vs DIMAGA
-Apr 02 : G5 lose 1st game vs Mistrzzz
- G5 use drophack (?) in 2 game vs Mistrzzz (4 min game) and told that Mistrzzz is a drophacker

I think this is don't true that mistrzzz drophack because he dont have any reason to do that. G5 lose 1st game vs Mistrzzz and mayby he try to vengeance on mistrzzz... Mistrzzz can win without hacks...
Cosmic_Milk
Profile Joined April 2008
United Kingdom5 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-04 19:16:51
April 04 2008 17:09 GMT
#185
I have heard from polish friends, that every person from their comunnity who is asking for evidence of Mistrzzz`s ban is banned on TL ;/ The situation seems to be really strange for me, especially when somebody recived ban without evidence, it is so big problem to show them? The same with rules, I thought that the rules are the same for everyone... Some players are banned, some are still allowed to play.
It looks like somebody wants to set up ranking...
It is really offence to say sth like that: "You ruin StarCraft" and give no evidence. Hopeless.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-04 17:11:33
April 04 2008 17:10 GMT
#186
On April 05 2008 02:07 Naib wrote:
Just as Trek says. They obviously can't come out with the exact way to proove that he was in fact drop-hacking, because then the hack-developers would come up with a "solution" to that pretty fast, and be one step ahead (as most hacks / hijacks / whatsoever mostly are) again. Just think logical, Polish fanboys...why would the admins lie about having the exact method and proof if they put so much dedication to the event? Do you think they lie about that too? Then you're beyond salvation, look at what they've done so far.

I'd suggest you play a game of Mafia if this kind of logical thinking doesn't suit you yet, it helps to improve. Trust me.

Even though I stopped playing SC again (screw Testie and DotA <3) TL staff deserves mad props for this. And of course: gogo Ace[F2F]!


He didn't use a hack, it's a bug. You don't need anything running to perform it. And Walen just proved that it was in fact G5 who used this bug, not Mistrz.
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
April 04 2008 17:14 GMT
#187
On April 05 2008 02:10 True_Spike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2008 02:07 Naib wrote:
Just as Trek says. They obviously can't come out with the exact way to proove that he was in fact drop-hacking, because then the hack-developers would come up with a "solution" to that pretty fast, and be one step ahead (as most hacks / hijacks / whatsoever mostly are) again. Just think logical, Polish fanboys...why would the admins lie about having the exact method and proof if they put so much dedication to the event? Do you think they lie about that too? Then you're beyond salvation, look at what they've done so far.

I'd suggest you play a game of Mafia if this kind of logical thinking doesn't suit you yet, it helps to improve. Trust me.

Even though I stopped playing SC again (screw Testie and DotA <3) TL staff deserves mad props for this. And of course: gogo Ace[F2F]!


He didn't use a hack, it's a bug. You don't need anything running to perform it. And Walen just proved that it was in fact G5 who used this bug, not Mistrz.


So if you come up with a way to know who used it, you'd reveal it to the public so the abuser can circumvent it? I don't think so. But feel free to argue, fire away.
Complete the cycle!
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-04 17:25:56
April 04 2008 17:20 GMT
#188
No, I would not. In fact, I did not many times back in my day. The thing is TSL staff claimed to have strong evidence of Mistrz using this particular drop bug in the game vs G5 (after hours spent on analysing the replay provided by Mistrz who uploaded it on Netwars.pl minutes after G5 made his thread over at tl.net), but refused to reveal it to the public as to not reveal the way they work to potential abusers - and that I understand and can't argue with. But since now Walen posted contradicting evidence pointing out it was impossible for Mistrz to use this bug I just don't know what to think anymore. And I won't form any claims or opinions on this matter before I hear out what TSL staff has to say about what Walen just posted.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
April 04 2008 17:20 GMT
#189
Thanks Tl.net. TSL rocks.

"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
SalvGG
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada67 Posts
April 04 2008 17:34 GMT
#190
Hahaha G5 hacked versus MistrZZZ? What about this proof TL had?
k0ziol
Profile Joined June 2007
Poland75 Posts
April 04 2008 17:41 GMT
#191
In your face US peeps
Walen said it all, gl hf in your tourney
Cosmic_Milk
Profile Joined April 2008
United Kingdom5 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-04 19:02:06
April 04 2008 17:42 GMT
#192
On April 05 2008 01:44 Walen wrote:
well irrefutable proof of mistrzzz not hacking

7290 azureMIStrZZZ Hotkey Assign,2
7294 TSL-G5 Leave Game player dropped
7294 azureMIStrZZZ Hotkey Assign,2

you have to press alt+f6 to drophack, you have to press crtl+number to assign, so crtl+alt+f6 doesn't work to drophack, so g5 was the one dischacking.




OMFG TSL starts to stink !
Walen full respect
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-04 18:08:49
April 04 2008 17:48 GMT
#193

<font size="3">We are currently investigating the G5/Mistrzzz situation. Please bear with us.</font>
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32084 Posts
April 04 2008 17:51 GMT
#194
On April 04 2008 11:23 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2008 11:07 Manifesto7 wrote:
On April 04 2008 10:58 Aux1 wrote:
i have no problem with the banning of hackers caught in the past, but didnt the rules say "anyone who was previously caught hacking will NOT be excluded from the tournement since they will have to play with ah on?


Yes. We changed our minds, largely due to account and drop hack abuse by some of the notorious members.





Only you sir have the balls to do what every previous tournament organizer wouldn't. Thank god for TL.net, thank god for Manifesto7.


Couldn't agree more. Mani does an awesome job
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iLjh
Profile Joined February 2008
United States160 Posts
April 04 2008 17:52 GMT
#195
On April 05 2008 00:09 flag wrote:
When I first heard about TSL I thought this is awesome because it will show us who the real top players outside of Korea are. There has never been a huge event like this with huge cash prizes that every one can enter before, which should motivate all players enough to really sort out really how good people are. With the banning of all Chinese and now these 5 hackers/bad manners I don't feel it will answer the question of who are the top players definitively.

This does not mean it was a bad decision, there is no perfect answer and the staff had to make choices to give as good as show as possible. But the banning of these hackers/bad manners disturbs me for a couple of reasons. As for the 4 hackers, I guess it is widely acknowledged that they hacked within a year from now (how this is decided is a whole other issue), but at the start of TSL it said they would be allowed to play. Imagine how a past hacker might have felt about TSL: "I made a mistake earlier by hacking in XX event, it has really tarnished my name, but now I can participate in the TSL where they have strong anti hack measures, I can finally show that I am really a top player even without hack."

Now probably not all of the banned hackers think like this, maybe some still think they can beat the system, but I seriously doubt that they will with ICCUP launcher and FPVODS should just be required of people in question. So here you give these hackers a second chance, and they spend days trying to climb up the ladder to prove themselves, and you say "HA just kidding fuck you hackers, once a hacker always a hacker. Not only will we ban you and make all the time you spent hack free wasted, we will remind everyone that you are hackers."

As for misterzzz, this is how it looks: "we don't like this guy, and just take our word for it, he used drop hack." Well I would take your word for it if you were impartial but you aren't, the fact that you spent hours analyzing a replay from a game that was even after 4 minutes for drop hack proves that you have an agenda. I'm not saying misterzzz didn't drop hack, and I'm not asking you to disclose your method, but I would like link to download the replay so we can at least attempt to make our own conclusions. I really do find it unlikely that if someone really did want to disconnect after 4 minutes that they would risk using a hack on iccup, why not just pull the ethernet cable?

That being said this is your starleague and you don't have to listen to me, this is just me, one spectator's impression. I like you want this to be an awesome league so I share my concerns, good luck with the rest of the season.


Couldnt have said it better myself. Dont take me wrong... I love TSL and everything it stands for, for the foreign scene we are now one step closer to that "professionalism" that koreans bathe in each and every day. But with an event of this calibur and this "professional", it's therefore your duty (staff) to inform the community (us) with details. Not providing the community with evidence and just saying "We have strong proof" completely disregards the amount of professionalism you staff have worked so hard to build. And now that there's even proof saying that the one hacking wasn't Mistrzzzz but G5... to be frank, I'm quite disappointed.
kirbyman1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States29 Posts
April 04 2008 17:53 GMT
#196
put G5 to the sword. NO HONOR AT ALL!
LEGEND TOSS FULL RESPECT TO U, I AM UR LOYAL FAN AND NEVER DOUBTED UR GREATNESS!

bows to lord walen and mistrzzz

spits on G5
G5, you are the lowest of the lowest of the lowest of the low, no words to describe how evil your act was, you are a disgrace, and framing mistrzzz like that was inexcusable.

walen, you are a hero. GJ man, good guys win this one. G5 loses. Big time.
god:damn kirby u beat me again....jesus:deja vu
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 04 2008 17:55 GMT
#197
you guys think g5 would use a drop glitch that gives the opponent the win and fucks up the time stamp on the game but not the replay that the player with the shorter replay would have? That is a bit of a stretch yeah?
ManBearPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Belgium207 Posts
April 04 2008 17:57 GMT
#198
OMFG incontrol just made a valuable post.
I don't know about you, but I'm preparing for armageddon.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32084 Posts
April 04 2008 17:58 GMT
#199
On April 05 2008 02:57 ManBearPig wrote:
OMFG incontrol just made a valuable post.
I don't know about you, but I'm preparing for armageddon.



haha, this is the second time ive seen someone say this today
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TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
April 04 2008 18:02 GMT
#200
NO! xD ban ban ban ban everyone! then ill win
Bergkamp ftw!
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