• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:42
CET 15:42
KST 23:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy5ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool40Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12Blizzard Classic Cup - Tastosis announced as captains18
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Weekly Cups (March 2-8): ByuN overcomes PvT block Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win
Tourneys
World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
Soulkey's decision to leave C9 JaeDong's form before ASL BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary [BSL22] Open Qualifiers & Ladder Tours
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
U4GM Tips Counter Enemy Gadgets Fast in Black Ops rsvsr How to Keep Reward Chains Rolling in Monopol u4gm What to Do First in MLB The Show 26 Spring
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1542 users

[TSL] News Wire - Page 10

Forum Index > News
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 Next All
KorvspaD
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Sweden468 Posts
April 04 2008 17:05 GMT
#181
Just wait, if g5 is prooven guilty too he will be banned just like mistrzzz, just wait I'm sure they'll make some statement soon.
for all we could have done and all that could have been...
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-04 17:07:44
April 04 2008 17:07 GMT
#182
If G5 is proven guilty then Mistrz should be unbanned, because of what Walen just posted. Given the fact he's a ladder SA over at ICCup I think he knows what he's talking about.
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4844 Posts
April 04 2008 17:07 GMT
#183
Just as Trek says. They obviously can't come out with the exact way to proove that he was in fact drop-hacking, because then the hack-developers would come up with a "solution" to that pretty fast, and be one step ahead (as most hacks / hijacks / whatsoever mostly are) again. Just think logical, Polish fanboys...why would the admins lie about having the exact method and proof if they put so much dedication to the event? Do you think they lie about that too? Then you're beyond salvation, look at what they've done so far.

I'd suggest you play a game of Mafia if this kind of logical thinking doesn't suit you yet, it helps to improve. Trust me.

Even though I stopped playing SC again (screw Testie and DotA <3) TL staff deserves mad props for this. And of course: gogo Ace[F2F]!
Complete the cycle!
JackDanniels
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland10 Posts
April 04 2008 17:09 GMT
#184
Facts:
-Apr 01 : G5 use drophack vs DIMAGA
-Apr 02 : G5 lose 1st game vs Mistrzzz
- G5 use drophack (?) in 2 game vs Mistrzzz (4 min game) and told that Mistrzzz is a drophacker

I think this is don't true that mistrzzz drophack because he dont have any reason to do that. G5 lose 1st game vs Mistrzzz and mayby he try to vengeance on mistrzzz... Mistrzzz can win without hacks...
Cosmic_Milk
Profile Joined April 2008
United Kingdom5 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-04 19:16:51
April 04 2008 17:09 GMT
#185
I have heard from polish friends, that every person from their comunnity who is asking for evidence of Mistrzzz`s ban is banned on TL ;/ The situation seems to be really strange for me, especially when somebody recived ban without evidence, it is so big problem to show them? The same with rules, I thought that the rules are the same for everyone... Some players are banned, some are still allowed to play.
It looks like somebody wants to set up ranking...
It is really offence to say sth like that: "You ruin StarCraft" and give no evidence. Hopeless.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-04 17:11:33
April 04 2008 17:10 GMT
#186
On April 05 2008 02:07 Naib wrote:
Just as Trek says. They obviously can't come out with the exact way to proove that he was in fact drop-hacking, because then the hack-developers would come up with a "solution" to that pretty fast, and be one step ahead (as most hacks / hijacks / whatsoever mostly are) again. Just think logical, Polish fanboys...why would the admins lie about having the exact method and proof if they put so much dedication to the event? Do you think they lie about that too? Then you're beyond salvation, look at what they've done so far.

I'd suggest you play a game of Mafia if this kind of logical thinking doesn't suit you yet, it helps to improve. Trust me.

Even though I stopped playing SC again (screw Testie and DotA <3) TL staff deserves mad props for this. And of course: gogo Ace[F2F]!


He didn't use a hack, it's a bug. You don't need anything running to perform it. And Walen just proved that it was in fact G5 who used this bug, not Mistrz.
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4844 Posts
April 04 2008 17:14 GMT
#187
On April 05 2008 02:10 True_Spike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2008 02:07 Naib wrote:
Just as Trek says. They obviously can't come out with the exact way to proove that he was in fact drop-hacking, because then the hack-developers would come up with a "solution" to that pretty fast, and be one step ahead (as most hacks / hijacks / whatsoever mostly are) again. Just think logical, Polish fanboys...why would the admins lie about having the exact method and proof if they put so much dedication to the event? Do you think they lie about that too? Then you're beyond salvation, look at what they've done so far.

I'd suggest you play a game of Mafia if this kind of logical thinking doesn't suit you yet, it helps to improve. Trust me.

Even though I stopped playing SC again (screw Testie and DotA <3) TL staff deserves mad props for this. And of course: gogo Ace[F2F]!


He didn't use a hack, it's a bug. You don't need anything running to perform it. And Walen just proved that it was in fact G5 who used this bug, not Mistrz.


So if you come up with a way to know who used it, you'd reveal it to the public so the abuser can circumvent it? I don't think so. But feel free to argue, fire away.
Complete the cycle!
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3426 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-04 17:25:56
April 04 2008 17:20 GMT
#188
No, I would not. In fact, I did not many times back in my day. The thing is TSL staff claimed to have strong evidence of Mistrz using this particular drop bug in the game vs G5 (after hours spent on analysing the replay provided by Mistrz who uploaded it on Netwars.pl minutes after G5 made his thread over at tl.net), but refused to reveal it to the public as to not reveal the way they work to potential abusers - and that I understand and can't argue with. But since now Walen posted contradicting evidence pointing out it was impossible for Mistrz to use this bug I just don't know what to think anymore. And I won't form any claims or opinions on this matter before I hear out what TSL staff has to say about what Walen just posted.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
April 04 2008 17:20 GMT
#189
Thanks Tl.net. TSL rocks.

"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
SalvGG
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Canada67 Posts
April 04 2008 17:34 GMT
#190
Hahaha G5 hacked versus MistrZZZ? What about this proof TL had?
k0ziol
Profile Joined June 2007
Poland75 Posts
April 04 2008 17:41 GMT
#191
In your face US peeps
Walen said it all, gl hf in your tourney
Cosmic_Milk
Profile Joined April 2008
United Kingdom5 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-04 19:02:06
April 04 2008 17:42 GMT
#192
On April 05 2008 01:44 Walen wrote:
well irrefutable proof of mistrzzz not hacking

7290 azureMIStrZZZ Hotkey Assign,2
7294 TSL-G5 Leave Game player dropped
7294 azureMIStrZZZ Hotkey Assign,2

you have to press alt+f6 to drophack, you have to press crtl+number to assign, so crtl+alt+f6 doesn't work to drophack, so g5 was the one dischacking.




OMFG TSL starts to stink !
Walen full respect
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-04 18:08:49
April 04 2008 17:48 GMT
#193

<font size="3">We are currently investigating the G5/Mistrzzz situation. Please bear with us.</font>
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
April 04 2008 17:51 GMT
#194
On April 04 2008 11:23 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2008 11:07 Manifesto7 wrote:
On April 04 2008 10:58 Aux1 wrote:
i have no problem with the banning of hackers caught in the past, but didnt the rules say "anyone who was previously caught hacking will NOT be excluded from the tournement since they will have to play with ah on?


Yes. We changed our minds, largely due to account and drop hack abuse by some of the notorious members.





Only you sir have the balls to do what every previous tournament organizer wouldn't. Thank god for TL.net, thank god for Manifesto7.


Couldn't agree more. Mani does an awesome job
PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
iLjh
Profile Joined February 2008
United States160 Posts
April 04 2008 17:52 GMT
#195
On April 05 2008 00:09 flag wrote:
When I first heard about TSL I thought this is awesome because it will show us who the real top players outside of Korea are. There has never been a huge event like this with huge cash prizes that every one can enter before, which should motivate all players enough to really sort out really how good people are. With the banning of all Chinese and now these 5 hackers/bad manners I don't feel it will answer the question of who are the top players definitively.

This does not mean it was a bad decision, there is no perfect answer and the staff had to make choices to give as good as show as possible. But the banning of these hackers/bad manners disturbs me for a couple of reasons. As for the 4 hackers, I guess it is widely acknowledged that they hacked within a year from now (how this is decided is a whole other issue), but at the start of TSL it said they would be allowed to play. Imagine how a past hacker might have felt about TSL: "I made a mistake earlier by hacking in XX event, it has really tarnished my name, but now I can participate in the TSL where they have strong anti hack measures, I can finally show that I am really a top player even without hack."

Now probably not all of the banned hackers think like this, maybe some still think they can beat the system, but I seriously doubt that they will with ICCUP launcher and FPVODS should just be required of people in question. So here you give these hackers a second chance, and they spend days trying to climb up the ladder to prove themselves, and you say "HA just kidding fuck you hackers, once a hacker always a hacker. Not only will we ban you and make all the time you spent hack free wasted, we will remind everyone that you are hackers."

As for misterzzz, this is how it looks: "we don't like this guy, and just take our word for it, he used drop hack." Well I would take your word for it if you were impartial but you aren't, the fact that you spent hours analyzing a replay from a game that was even after 4 minutes for drop hack proves that you have an agenda. I'm not saying misterzzz didn't drop hack, and I'm not asking you to disclose your method, but I would like link to download the replay so we can at least attempt to make our own conclusions. I really do find it unlikely that if someone really did want to disconnect after 4 minutes that they would risk using a hack on iccup, why not just pull the ethernet cable?

That being said this is your starleague and you don't have to listen to me, this is just me, one spectator's impression. I like you want this to be an awesome league so I share my concerns, good luck with the rest of the season.


Couldnt have said it better myself. Dont take me wrong... I love TSL and everything it stands for, for the foreign scene we are now one step closer to that "professionalism" that koreans bathe in each and every day. But with an event of this calibur and this "professional", it's therefore your duty (staff) to inform the community (us) with details. Not providing the community with evidence and just saying "We have strong proof" completely disregards the amount of professionalism you staff have worked so hard to build. And now that there's even proof saying that the one hacking wasn't Mistrzzzz but G5... to be frank, I'm quite disappointed.
kirbyman1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States29 Posts
April 04 2008 17:53 GMT
#196
put G5 to the sword. NO HONOR AT ALL!
LEGEND TOSS FULL RESPECT TO U, I AM UR LOYAL FAN AND NEVER DOUBTED UR GREATNESS!

bows to lord walen and mistrzzz

spits on G5
G5, you are the lowest of the lowest of the lowest of the low, no words to describe how evil your act was, you are a disgrace, and framing mistrzzz like that was inexcusable.

walen, you are a hero. GJ man, good guys win this one. G5 loses. Big time.
god:damn kirby u beat me again....jesus:deja vu
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
April 04 2008 17:55 GMT
#197
you guys think g5 would use a drop glitch that gives the opponent the win and fucks up the time stamp on the game but not the replay that the player with the shorter replay would have? That is a bit of a stretch yeah?
ManBearPig
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Belgium207 Posts
April 04 2008 17:57 GMT
#198
OMFG incontrol just made a valuable post.
I don't know about you, but I'm preparing for armageddon.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
April 04 2008 17:58 GMT
#199
On April 05 2008 02:57 ManBearPig wrote:
OMFG incontrol just made a valuable post.
I don't know about you, but I'm preparing for armageddon.



haha, this is the second time ive seen someone say this today
PROFESSIONAL GAMER - SEND ME OFFERS TO JOIN YOUR TEAM - USA USA USA
TreK
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2089 Posts
April 04 2008 18:02 GMT
#200
NO! xD ban ban ban ban everyone! then ill win
Bergkamp ftw!
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
12:00
#79
WardiTV765
OGKoka 143
Rex123
IntoTheiNu 18
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 217
LamboSC2 132
ProTech132
Rex 123
MindelVK 12
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 11455
Bisu 3467
Horang2 1731
Jaedong 1454
Shuttle 963
Larva 559
BeSt 520
Hyuk 500
Mini 413
Stork 394
[ Show more ]
Soma 352
Light 334
Rush 216
Snow 191
Leta 187
ggaemo 113
Pusan 107
Backho 105
Zeus 104
Shinee 67
PianO 61
[sc1f]eonzerg 59
Sea.KH 55
Movie 52
ToSsGirL 38
Shine 36
Nal_rA 34
Dewaltoss 33
ajuk12(nOOB) 27
Free 24
Aegong 23
zelot 22
sorry 20
IntoTheRainbow 19
910 19
soO 18
Hm[arnc] 18
GoRush 17
Terrorterran 14
Noble 14
Dota 2
Gorgc7347
League of Legends
Reynor74
Counter-Strike
fl0m3327
Fnx 2246
byalli1167
shoxiejesuss1035
kennyS591
oskar57
Other Games
singsing2240
B2W.Neo773
hiko691
XBOCT408
Beastyqt396
Lowko357
crisheroes314
Happy246
OGKoka 143
Sick93
ArmadaUGS84
Mew2King54
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream58
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV316
• lizZardDota265
• Noizen34
League of Legends
• Nemesis2530
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
2h 18m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 18m
Afreeca Starleague
19h 18m
Soulkey vs Ample
JyJ vs sSak
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 19h
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
WardiTV Team League
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Team League
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
4 days
Platinum Heroes Events
5 days
BSL
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
5 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-22
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.