PWNT @ hackers!!
Tl ftw, I wish every league/ladder would take the same stance on these guys. Btw Im sure Selector thinks twice about participating in TSL now... Im sure he read this and stopped playing on his TSL smurf cus he realized hed be banned the second he would have to reveal his ID :D
Sux to be a cheater

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Australia608 Posts

April 04 2008 14:25 GMT

#162

holy shit i cant believe people are questioning staff's decisions...

this is a fucking STARLEAGUE not some pansy little $50 tourny... the last thing a group of amazing people (who have just put together the biggest thing in foreign starcraft ever!) need is to be critizised and questioned. Why are they banning some and not others? probably for the same reason they put on this whole shebang...

thnx everyone who is making this thing awesome

SpiritAshura

United States1271 Posts

April 04 2008 14:43 GMT

#163

How about don't be a fucking sketchy retard in such a big tournament if you don't want to get banned and draw attention to yourself.

*sigh*

Jusciax

Lithuania588 Posts

April 04 2008 14:52 GMT

#164

It's funny how someones assumptions become facts for some Poland fans here. "I read in forum that G5 hacked with 0 proof and no replay" equals "G5 100% hacked, lets spread the word" but when admins of largest league in foreign scene say that they spent countless hours researching and proving Mistrzzz hacked, it's somehow refuted and ignored. I'm sure TL.net is concerned about their integrity as much as they are concerned about keeping TSL hack-free zone.
Also the "Mistrzzz had no reason to drop hack at that point in game" argument brings a thought to mind - "what would be better time to drop hack to cause least suspicion?". Just food for thought for raging defenders (and no its not a fact, just thought).

Catyoul

France2377 Posts

April 04 2008 14:58 GMT

#165

On April 04 2008 21:45 Walen wrote:
3- G5 has dischacked vs dimaga link here:http://sc.iccup.com/iccthread/23394

Wow, this really needs to get more love.
(the first screenshot link is broken because of an extra space : http://rs32.rapidshare.com/files/104008565/SCScrnShot_040108_132915.pcx)

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United States228 Posts

April 04 2008 15:09 GMT

#166

When I first heard about TSL I thought this is awesome because it will show us who the real top players outside of Korea are. There has never been a huge event like this with huge cash prizes that every one can enter before, which should motivate all players enough to really sort out really how good people are. With the banning of all Chinese and now these 5 hackers/bad manners I don't feel it will answer the question of who are the top players definitively.

This does not mean it was a bad decision, there is no perfect answer and the staff had to make choices to give as good as show as possible. But the banning of these hackers/bad manners disturbs me for a couple of reasons. As for the 4 hackers, I guess it is widely acknowledged that they hacked within a year from now (how this is decided is a whole other issue), but at the start of TSL it said they would be allowed to play. Imagine how a past hacker might have felt about TSL: "I made a mistake earlier by hacking in XX event, it has really tarnished my name, but now I can participate in the TSL where they have strong anti hack measures, I can finally show that I am really a top player even without hack."

Now probably not all of the banned hackers think like this, maybe some still think they can beat the system, but I seriously doubt that they will with ICCUP launcher and FPVODS should just be required of people in question. So here you give these hackers a second chance, and they spend days trying to climb up the ladder to prove themselves, and you say "HA just kidding fuck you hackers, once a hacker always a hacker. Not only will we ban you and make all the time you spent hack free wasted, we will remind everyone that you are hackers."

As for misterzzz, this is how it looks: "we don't like this guy, and just take our word for it, he used drop hack." Well I would take your word for it if you were impartial but you aren't, the fact that you spent hours analyzing a replay from a game that was even after 4 minutes for drop hack proves that you have an agenda. I'm not saying misterzzz didn't drop hack, and I'm not asking you to disclose your method, but I would like link to download the replay so we can at least attempt to make our own conclusions. I really do find it unlikely that if someone really did want to disconnect after 4 minutes that they would risk using a hack on iccup, why not just pull the ethernet cable?

That being said this is your starleague and you don't have to listen to me, this is just me, one spectator's impression. I like you want this to be an awesome league so I share my concerns, good luck with the rest of the season.

147 Posts

April 04 2008 15:10 GMT

#167

I dont have SC no more. VODs pls ^^

Schnake

Germany2819 Posts

April 04 2008 15:38 GMT

#168

On April 04 2008 10:26 jkillashark wrote:
You make StarCraft awesome.

Manliest festo of them all

I really have to agree 150% here. As I already told Mani in a ICC pm, I am euphoric about this whole project and I honestly think that this has the potential to form and evolve e-sports in general. I am flabbergasted that not a company but a community took the first BIG step into the right direction and created this awesome league.

TSL fighting!

SkelA

Macedonia13081 Posts

April 04 2008 15:48 GMT

#169

really i dont like mistrzzz at all but i think if mistrzzz was banned for 4 min game then g5 should be banned to his disc hack vs dimaga no need even to discuss for that

JackDanniels

Poland10 Posts

April 04 2008 15:52 GMT

#170

http://sc.iccup.com/iccthread/23394

BANN G5 pls...

SCC-Faust

United States3736 Posts

April 04 2008 16:27 GMT

#171

I'm pretty sure the verdict was MIStrZZZ was banned for a drop bug, not hacking?

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United States228 Posts

April 04 2008 16:31 GMT

#172

I guess I don't know what drop bug is, what exactly is it?

kyjori

371 Posts

April 04 2008 16:34 GMT

#173

On April 04 2008 22:40 True_Spike wrote:
Being thankfull for this event is one thing, but that doesn't mean everyone has to blindly agree with everything the admins do. It doesn't show disrespect at all (as long as you voice out your criticism in a good manner), it shows that you care about the league. It's much like with SC2 - if we think something could be done better we say it out loud to make sure it'll be the best game ever made.

I'm sure the tl.net admins understand that perfectly, but some of you don't. Constructive criticism is always better than blind support.

i agree 100%, CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM is a very good way to make your disagreements known. but you have to admit, not all the people on this forum who are bashing the admins for banning of mistrzzzz is doing this. I was mainly aiming at those people with my post. it isnt cool when people just blindly accuse and bash admins when they have gone over and over again, it wasn't an arbituary decision, it was well thought out and calculated one.

just general bashing without support, destrcutive criticism and whatever not isnt helpful to this thread, or the community as a whole. remember when all of us had the scare where baezzi was about to quit his services to us with his vod uploads because of assholes who kept leaving possibly the most stupidest comments ever on his videos? that is what i am talking about.

it all comes down to, use ur brain and dont fuck it up for the rest of us -_-;

Piste

6183 Posts

April 04 2008 16:37 GMT

#174

I can't believe mistrizz was banned without any good reason. I think the reason he got banned is just becouse he is hated.

G5 is also bad manner discer, still he hasn't recieved his penalty; DEATH.

renwi

United States1 Post

April 04 2008 16:43 GMT

#175

--- Nuked ---

Walen

Spain2 Posts

April 04 2008 16:44 GMT

#176

well irrefutable proof of mistrzzz not hacking

7290 azureMIStrZZZ Hotkey Assign,2
7294 TSL-G5 Leave Game player dropped
7294 azureMIStrZZZ Hotkey Assign,2

you have to press [mod edit: key combination removed] to drophack, you have to press crtl+number to assign, so crtl+[mod edit] doesn't work to drophack, so g5 was the one dischacking.

charcute

Canada419 Posts

April 04 2008 16:44 GMT

#177

why mistrzzz got banned and G5 only got his stats cleared, both of them used the same "hack"