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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On January 01 2012 23:00 Talin wrote: But see, that's Liquipedia so it clearly must be SUPER BIASED. God forbid TL gets nominated or an award for anything on teamliquid.net. -_- Dude, 1/3 of both teams achievements are from last year on that page and Mouz is still beating both of them...? | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On January 01 2012 22:38 sVnteen wrote: no your point is wrong basketball is a team sports but sc2 is 1v1 so all achievements belong to the player not to the team because its not like the team helped him to win the championship (like if he had a road of haypro, tlo, ret, sheth, and they all lost on purpose so he won that way that would be a team achievement but obviously there will never be something like that in sc2 so 1v1 events have nothing to do with the team a player is on) the achievements display the strenght of a player which helps the strenght of the lineup which helps the current team but not a team he has been on some months ago also he doesnt say that mouz should be the top team but he says that it is between EG and mouz and liquid is not up there (also mouz has 6 top 4 finishes in major tournaments while TL only has 5 eventhough they have a much bigger lineup and EG has 7 with almost double the amount of players so...) better do some research yourself bro Can't read eh? Count up those individual league golds that EG, TL, and Mouz got in 2011, then come back with your findings. Thank you. | ||
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PopcornColonel
United States769 Posts
P.S. Twitch >> own3d | ||
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Baptista
Poland141 Posts
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Naniwa
Sweden477 Posts
On January 01 2012 22:06 sVnteen wrote: its kinda ridiculous how they even came to think about team liquid as team of the year i remember them not winning anything as a team and getting crushed by most other teams now that they bought themselves two koreans they should kinda be up there but they keep failing in teamleagues even getting all-killed in a Bo9 format by SaSe its kinda ridiculous that they even consider making a team of the year award on the website that stands for a team so that itself is kinda cute but the fact that they even make their bias so obvious is just kinda ridiculous i mean EG and mouz are also not even tied up in results in team leagues and since thats obviously where teams should be measured its just .... (and even if you add 1v1 tournaments to that mouz and EG should still be way far ahead of liquid with EG being the more achieved team in 1v1 tournaments and mouz being better in team competitions) but yeah what would you expect team of the year vs sase 0-1 | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
EDIT: While I'm not as angry as some people in this, thread, if you're gonna cop out with the team of year awards, you might as well put mouz in as well. Only slightly behind on individual leagues, but MILES and MILES and MILES ahead as a team. | ||
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rockslave
Brazil318 Posts
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Infernux
Norway84 Posts
EG would be more like Manchester City (please mind that EG has won more than City compared to United), a bought team (also, this is a bit far out, but with HuK, JYP and PuMa, come on...) with less flow and feel between the players, more like a place to get rich and get their best shots at being the best, for all the wrong reasons (I'm still a little upset about the HuK thing, mind you). Now, mind you, this is how I feel. In my 1.5 years in the SC2 esport scene (as a watcher and low league player) TL is the team I have felt the most connected too, because of their ethics, standards and how the players present themselves, in interviews, on lans and in general when meeting their fans. Also, WhiteRa for most creative player. Boom. | ||
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Naniwa
Sweden477 Posts
On January 01 2012 23:49 Infernux wrote: I would describe the teams like this. Team Liquid is like Manchester United (it's a soccer team, fyi), they have a flow within the team and they feel... complete, but also welcoming to new players. They are used to winning and have some great players, but also a lot of talent. EG would be more like Manchester City (please mind that EG has won more than City compared to United), a bought team (also, this is a bit far out, but with HuK, JYP and PuMa, come on...) with less flow and feel between the players, more like a place to get rich and get their best shots at being the best, for all the wrong reasons (I'm still a little upset about the HuK thing, mind you). Now, mind you, this is how I feel. In my 1.5 years in the SC2 esport scene (as a watcher and low league player) TL is the team I have felt the most connected too, because of their ethics, standards and how the players present themselves, in interviews, on lans and in general when meeting their fans. Also, WhiteRa for most creative player. Boom. how sad for players wanting money and traveling to events! you should be very angry with huk! you certainly are a good huk fan. | ||
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Childplay
Canada263 Posts
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bertu
Brazil871 Posts
On January 01 2012 22:50 Badfatpanda wrote: Polt used the 1/1/1, he fucking created the 1/1/1 back in release, and has a far better winrate TvP, yet he doesn't get criticism. Funny how someone creates a new strategy, use it to have a better winrate TvP than everyone else and should be "criticized" for it.  | ||
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pStar
996 Posts
On January 01 2012 23:49 Infernux wrote: I would describe the teams like this. Team Liquid is like Manchester United (it's a soccer team, fyi), they have a flow within the team and they feel... complete, but also welcoming to new players. They are used to winning and have some great players, but also a lot of talent. EG would be more like Manchester City (please mind that EG has won more than City compared to United), a bought team (also, this is a bit far out, but with HuK, JYP and PuMa, come on...) with less flow and feel between the players, more like a place to get rich and get their best shots at being the best, for all the wrong reasons (I'm still a little upset about the HuK thing, mind you). Now, mind you, this is how I feel. In my 1.5 years in the SC2 esport scene (as a watcher and low league player) TL is the team I have felt the most connected too, because of their ethics, standards and how the players present themselves, in interviews, on lans and in general when meeting their fans. Also, WhiteRa for most creative player. Boom. Why did you just compare a football team to a Starcraft team? It dosen't make any sense to compare the two. | ||
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Jongl0
631 Posts
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nooboon
2602 Posts
 Anyways, another great write up although there were a few things i didn't agree with (TL team of the year is one of them, didn't we have a talk about bias). And whatever happened to "destiny cloudfist?" | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
On January 01 2012 23:46 MCDayC wrote: Awesome write up, what a great year its been. EDIT: While I'm not as angry as some people in this, thread, if you're gonna cop out with the team of year awards, you might as well put mouz in as well. Only slightly behind on individual leagues, but MILES and MILES and MILES ahead as a team. Mouz only has the one gold in an individual league(TSL3) for this year don't they? So you have it back to front I'd say. | ||
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Pipeline
Sweden1673 Posts
My only criticism is for the foreign player of the year, it should have been Stephano! | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On January 01 2012 23:59 Mycl wrote: Mouz only has the one gold in an individual league(TSL3) for this year don't they? So you have it back to front I'd say. True, but a fuckton of 2nd and 3rd and 4ths. As I said, slightly less successful individually. But as a team, they are far and away better than TL or EG, and better than many Korean teams (in clan wars) despite what their small lineup would suggest. | ||
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32743 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
- Breakout performance: Stefano. He's won quite a few tournaments. The only problem I have with calling him a breakout performer is the fact that many people have known how good this guy can be. Like I said, he's been winning a lot and winning often. T-zain's accomplishments within 2011 steams from his TSL victory. A great accomplishment especially considering what happened during that tournament, but he's been fairly quiet and selects the tournaments he competes in wisely. A good strategy, but he doesn't get as much exposure. - Biggest News Stories. It's funny because I just read KeSPA's take on the biggest news stories the other day. I realize this is TL's SC2 awards, but it feels like something is missing. There is only one story that has enough bang by the writing panel and that is EG's pickup of HuK when you consider Liquid`s history of players, but the tides of changed in this day and age. No one is truly safe when money is involved. Sorry, nothing else really comes close to that. Maybe the EG and TSL's shenanigans, but nothing more revolutionary. Oh wait, there are more I could think of. How about Bar Craft taking off and Sundance going all out with MLG? There's been several news stories on those two alone and many of which well written. If anything I would give the award to the fact that exposure is starting to pick up more and more in the west with Sundance and Bar Craft Organizers leading the charge. To summarize, if we only look at the writers nominations. It would have to go to EG picking up HuK. No if's or but's about it. I know I was shocked. Hell, I even said there's no way in hell that would happen and it did. The only way I could see people selecting what Nani did is the fact that it is still fresh in people's minds because it just happened. That's the only reason. Honestly, it wasn't really a big deal until the Koreans chose to make it one. A difference in culture. - Most entertaining player. Where the heck are the nominees on this one? I guess I could make a case for the rivalries, best international team, best Korean team and the list goes on. So the writers chose to give it to IdrA? What? If that's the case I would re-name the award: GG? or What the f*** just happened? (to keep it PG, Whhhhaaaaattttt?) I'm sorry, but I don't see how IdrA's play is exciting at all. He's a very boring player on paper and always has been that way. The only memories we have of him are how he's going to lose and his character. Not necessarily his play style. The only series that wasn't a complete wash this year was when he played BoxeR at MLG. BoxeR crawled back to tie it and IdrA's back was against the fence going into the seventh set yet he found a way to win. To generalize IdrA either crushes you or he loses. The only entertainment we get from it is the how. There are tons of more players that are more entertaining than IdrA. More often than not, IdrA doesn't even let the game get entertaining because he will bow out at almost any disadvantage. - Most revolutionary. No Stephano didn't come out of nowhere. He had a lot of results in weekly cups and other online tournaments. As many players say. You really have to prove yourself at LANs. He did. The guy had the skill early on. I certainly saw it and apparently nerves aren't a factor for him. Out of the other candidates I would have given it to the Home Story Cup. Take's organization of this tournament and the commentary they had on hand with the other pro's was some of the best commentary we've had to date. In fact it was so good, other tournaments decided to have pro players commentate matches with the personalities at the same time. Even the big ones. There's a good reason why the Pro's and fans have all the best to say about that tournament. It's a great atmosphere and everyone gets to chill. Thus I give the nod to Home Story. - Rivalry of the year: Both teams have outspoken personalities and always seem to be going at it because PuMa and HerO compete in almost every western tournament and you have such sideshows/pod casts like SotG and other crap. Anyway, when it comes to journalism I don't see how you can turn your cheek to all the bullshit surrounding these two teams because of the exposure they create. Something that SlayerS, IM and Startale have to pickup in that department. - Team of the year (International): Like I mentioned earlier, I'm not happy with only naming two candidates when you list several for the other awards. Where's Mouz or Dignitas to name two? Dignitas had a great start at the beginning, but little finish to show for it. Mouz on the other hand have been very dominant in the quote end quote international team leagues. Hell, even FXO have been getting great exposure for themselves too including the all-kill by qxc when he was there and the fact they were the only pure international team competing in the GSL before their takeover. - Player of the year (International): It truly could have gone to anyone of them. Absolutely torn on that subject. In terms of consistency. Stephano might be a little more consistent than HuK and Nani. If we only go with the here and now, I'd probably side with Naniwa. | ||
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