I am sorry but I find this article to be somewhat lackluster.
If you are gonna sum up all of 2011 in a single post you gotta make sure that everything is covered incl. the nominees and tbh I totally disagree with a lot of the choices for both winners and nominees. the obvious example, as mentioned by others, is Mousesports missing in the "best team award" section. Your reasoning for not including them is just invalid imo.
I also believe there are far better and "unknown" players out there to watch for in 2012 than Titan and especially Snute. BiGs and Bling being some of them and I have high hopes for 13abyknight as well though I may be biased in that choice.
However I do agree with Daybreak winning the best map award though, again, I would like to see more maps for the nomination. Shattered Temple comes to mind.
On January 02 2012 01:06 DaCruise wrote: I am sorry but I find this article to be somewhat lackluster.
If you are gonna sum up all of 2011 in a single post you gotta make sure that everything is covered incl. the nominees and tbh I totally disagree with a lot of the choices for both winners and nominees. the obvious example, as mentioned by others, is Mousesports missing in the "best team award" section. Your reasoning for not including them is just invalid imo.
I also believe there are far better and "unknown" players out there to watch for in 2012 than Titan and especially Snute. BiGs and Bling being some of them and I have high hopes for 13abyknight as well though I may be biased in that choice.
However I do agree with Daybreak winning the best map award though, again, I would like to see more maps for the nomination. Shattered Temple comes to mind.
What a way to criticised the tl.net writing staff , If you never tried writing all this stuff by your self , you won't know how much stuff you have to dig up to have a close to 99% coverage of 2011 .
On January 02 2012 00:12 StarStruck wrote: Even the TL panel cannot avoid favoritism. I agree on quite a few of them. No need to explain those, but I beg to differ on the following based off their nominees.
- Breakout performance: Stefano. He's won quite a few tournaments. The only problem I have with calling him a breakout performer is the fact that many people have known how good this guy can be. Like I said, he's been winning a lot and winning often. T-zain's accomplishments within 2011 steams from his TSL victory. A great accomplishment especially considering what happened during that tournament, but he's been fairly quiet and selects the tournaments he competes in wisely. A good strategy, but he doesn't get as much exposure.
- Biggest News Stories. It's funny because I just read KeSPA's take on the biggest news stories the other day. I realize this is TL's SC2 awards, but it feels like something is missing. There is only one story that has enough bang by the writing panel and that is EG's pickup of HuK when you consider Liquid`s history of players, but the tides of changed in this day and age. No one is truly safe when money is involved. Sorry, nothing else really comes close to that. Maybe the EG and TSL's shenanigans, but nothing more revolutionary. Oh wait, there are more I could think of. How about Bar Craft taking off and Sundance going all out with MLG? There's been several news stories on those two alone and many of which well written. If anything I would give the award to the fact that exposure is starting to pick up more and more in the west with Sundance and Bar Craft Organizers leading the charge.
To summarize, if we only look at the writers nominations. It would have to go to EG picking up HuK. No if's or but's about it. I know I was shocked. Hell, I even said there's no way in hell that would happen and it did.
The only way I could see people selecting what Nani did is the fact that it is still fresh in people's minds because it just happened. That's the only reason. Honestly, it wasn't really a big deal until the Koreans chose to make it one. A difference in culture.
- Most entertaining player. Where the heck are the nominees on this one? I guess I could make a case for the rivalries, best international team, best Korean team and the list goes on. So the writers chose to give it to IdrA? What? If that's the case I would re-name the award: GG? or What the f*** just happened? (to keep it PG, Whhhhaaaaattttt?)
I'm sorry, but I don't see how IdrA's play is exciting at all. He's a very boring player on paper and always has been that way. The only memories we have of him are how he's going to lose and his character. Not necessarily his play style. The only series that wasn't a complete wash this year was when he played BoxeR at MLG. BoxeR crawled back to tie it and IdrA's back was against the fence going into the seventh set yet he found a way to win.
To generalize IdrA either crushes you or he loses. The only entertainment we get from it is the how. There are tons of more players that are more entertaining than IdrA. More often than not, IdrA doesn't even let the game get entertaining because he will bow out at almost any disadvantage.
- Most revolutionary. No Stephano didn't come out of nowhere. He had a lot of results in weekly cups and other online tournaments. As many players say. You really have to prove yourself at LANs. He did. The guy had the skill early on. I certainly saw it and apparently nerves aren't a factor for him. Out of the other candidates I would have given it to the Home Story Cup. Take's organization of this tournament and the commentary they had on hand with the other pro's was some of the best commentary we've had to date. In fact it was so good, other tournaments decided to have pro players commentate matches with the personalities at the same time. Even the big ones. There's a good reason why the Pro's and fans have all the best to say about that tournament. It's a great atmosphere and everyone gets to chill. Thus I give the nod to Home Story.
- Rivalry of the year: Both teams have outspoken personalities and always seem to be going at it because PuMa and HerO compete in almost every western tournament and you have such sideshows/pod casts like SotG and other crap. Anyway, when it comes to journalism I don't see how you can turn your cheek to all the bullshit surrounding these two teams because of the exposure they create. Something that SlayerS, IM and Startale have to pickup in that department.
- Team of the year (International): Like I mentioned earlier, I'm not happy with only naming two candidates when you list several for the other awards. Where's Mouz or Dignitas to name two? Dignitas had a great start at the beginning, but little finish to show for it. Mouz on the other hand have been very dominant in the quote end quote international team leagues. Hell, even FXO have been getting great exposure for themselves too including the all-kill by qxc when he was there and the fact they were the only pure international team competing in the GSL before their takeover.
- Player of the year (International): It truly could have gone to anyone of them. Absolutely torn on that subject. In terms of consistency. Stephano might be a little more consistent than HuK and Nani. If we only go with the here and now, I'd probably side with Naniwa.
Taking it way too seriously man. Just a fun little article, much like the GSL ceremonies.
On January 02 2012 01:06 DaCruise wrote: I am sorry but I find this article to be somewhat lackluster.
If you are gonna sum up all of 2011 in a single post you gotta make sure that everything is covered incl. the nominees and tbh I totally disagree with a lot of the choices for both winners and nominees. the obvious example, as mentioned by others, is Mousesports missing in the "best team award" section. Your reasoning for not including them is just invalid imo.
I also believe there are far better and "unknown" players out there to watch for in 2012 than Titan and especially Snute. BiGs and Bling being some of them and I have high hopes for 13abyknight as well though I may be biased in that choice.
However I do agree with Daybreak winning the best map award though, again, I would like to see more maps for the nomination. Shattered Temple comes to mind.
What a way to criticised the tl.net writing staff , If you never tried writing all this stuff by your self , you won't know how much stuff you have to dig up to have a close to 99% coverage of 2011 .
Unfortunatly I think a 99-100% coverage is needed when making such an article. I dont think its bad. I just feel like it could have been better and more extensive.
On January 01 2012 15:24 [Erasmus] wrote: Seriously, why is Mouz not team of the year... I get that EG/Liquid probably have a few more individual results on their roster, but Mouz are the scariest foreign team. Looks incredibly biased with only 2 nominations to begin with.
Im sorry, how exactly are they scarier then either TL or EG? EG with 2 Code 2 participants, 2 Code A, and 1 Code B(?), plus a handful of rather under preforming (though still very good) players. An TL with HerO (That alone makes them Scarier then Mouz) as well as Ret (best player in Europe arguably up there in top 3) as well as Sheth an now Zenio. Mouz really only has Morrow and Thorzain, outside of those two maybe Hasuobs but not much else vs these Goliaths of the foreigner scene. I respect Mouz but to claim them team of the year and the scariest team around is false. They're extreamly good but not that good.
To everyone unhappy with the quality of this article, or unhappy with the choices therein, the Blogs section is always open for you to make your own attempt. You can never have too many "Best of" lists!
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote: TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.
Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.
Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.
Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?
If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...
Huk won dreamhack summer and.homestory cup while he was on.Liquid. The accolades should stay with the team.he won the championship on. It is like saying the six championship Michael Jordan with the Chicago Bulls should be considered the washongton wizard's championships because that was the last team Jordan played on. The championshops stays with the team and doesn't get transferred because the person moved to another organization.
It's been the community consensus for a top 4 (top 8 debatable) in GSL for a foreigner is on par with winning a western championship if not better.
Mouz has only won a single individual championship in 2011, TSL3. Until tuey can demonstrate that they can win multiple major individual championships prwferably LANs, I don't they deserve to be team of the year.
no your point is wrong basketball is a team sports but sc2 is 1v1 so all achievements belong to the player not to the team because its not like the team helped him to win the championship (like if he had a road of haypro, tlo, ret, sheth, and they all lost on purpose so he won that way that would be a team achievement but obviously there will never be something like that in sc2 so 1v1 events have nothing to do with the team a player is on) the achievements display the strenght of a player which helps the strenght of the lineup which helps the current team but not a team he has been on some months ago
also he doesnt say that mouz should be the top team but he says that it is between EG and mouz and liquid is not up there
(also mouz has 6 top 4 finishes in major tournaments while TL only has 5 eventhough they have a much bigger lineup and EG has 7 with almost double the amount of players so...)
On January 01 2012 22:29 Hall0wed wrote:
On January 01 2012 19:07 Xeris wrote: TL giving itself team of the year award based on: a Ro4 (not a championship) by Jinro, and 2 championships won by HuK, who is on EG.
Mouz has won // placed top 3 in basically every single team event in 2011. They got 2nd in IPL Team Arena Challenge (only foreign team to beat Koreans?), 2 time EG Masters Cup winner, 3rd GCPL Season 2.
Even EG hasn't finished higher than 4th in its own team league, Liquid couldn't even get higher than 4th in either GCPL Season 1 or 2.
Not to mention Mouz has: Thorzain and MaNa, who both have numerous podium placements. MorroW and HasuObs are also widely considered top foreigners. How can Mouz be ignored? Because they're not as popular and don't have as good marketing?
If there is a tie - it should be between Mouz and EG , Liquid has no place there , no offense ...
Oh my, please get more worked up over this. Also perhaps try to have a level head while posting?
You completely look past most of liquid's achievements and immediately jump to some online team leagues? Really? There seems to be more bias in your post than there is in the entire OP.
Breathe, think, do some research, then maybe post if you are still upset.
better do some research yourself bro
Can't read eh? Count up those individual league golds that EG, TL, and Mouz got in 2011, then come back with your findings. Thank you.
we talked about 1v1 performance not about wins lol
On January 01 2012 15:24 [Erasmus] wrote: Seriously, why is Mouz not team of the year... I get that EG/Liquid probably have a few more individual results on their roster, but Mouz are the scariest foreign team. Looks incredibly biased with only 2 nominations to begin with.
Im sorry, how exactly are they scarier then either TL or EG? EG with 2 Code 2 participants, 2 Code A, and 1 Code B(?), plus a handful of rather under preforming (though still very good) players. An TL with HerO (That alone makes them Scarier then Mouz) as well as Ret (best player in Europe arguably up there in top 3) as well as Sheth an now Zenio. Mouz really only has Morrow and Thorzain, outside of those two maybe Hasuobs but not much else vs these Goliaths of the foreigner scene. I respect Mouz but to claim them team of the year and the scariest team around is false. They're extreamly good but not that good.
look at liquipedia they have the most top 4 finishes of any team eventhough they have the smallest roster and they did best in team events mouz also has mana and wait- he is top 5 internation tlpd while there is no liquid or EG player there? and why is hero not in top 5 korea hmmmmmmm- nor is zenio nor puma OMG
ret can not possibly be considered top 3 europe (at least not on from a standpoint of someone who knows the scene
my of the guys above ret would be (not in order so pls no rage) naniwa sase thorzain stephano nerchio beastyqt kas mana demuslim ToD (morrow?) (and since he is so passive in the scene i am not completely sure about his current level but so i would put him around the level of demuslim/tod but im certain that tod will be a beast when he comes back from korea)
On January 01 2012 15:24 [Erasmus] wrote: Seriously, why is Mouz not team of the year... I get that EG/Liquid probably have a few more individual results on their roster, but Mouz are the scariest foreign team. Looks incredibly biased with only 2 nominations to begin with.
Im sorry, how exactly are they scarier then either TL or EG? EG with 2 Code 2 participants, 2 Code A, and 1 Code B(?), plus a handful of rather under preforming (though still very good) players. An TL with HerO (That alone makes them Scarier then Mouz) as well as Ret (best player in Europe arguably up there in top 3) as well as Sheth an now Zenio. Mouz really only has Morrow and Thorzain, outside of those two maybe Hasuobs but not much else vs these Goliaths of the foreigner scene. I respect Mouz but to claim them team of the year and the scariest team around is false. They're extreamly good but not that good.
look at liquipedia they have the most top 4 finishes of any team eventhough they have the smallest roster and they did best in team events mouz also has mana and wait- he is top 5 internation tlpd while there is no liquid or EG player there? and why is hero not in top 5 korea hmmmmmmm- nor is zenio nor puma OMG
ret can not possibly be considered top 3 europe (at least not on from a standpoint of someone who knows the scene
my of the guys above ret would be (not in order so pls no rage) naniwa sase thorzain stephano nerchio beastyqt kas mana demuslim ToD (morrow?) (and since he is so passive in the scene i am not completely sure about his current level but so i would put him around the level of demuslim/tod but im certain that tod will be a beast when he comes back from korea)
Do you seriously put demuslim there instead of ret? atleast ret has won some tournaments, demuslim has done NOTHING,NOTHING AT ALL. So please...
edit: And dont start talking about his broken hands. It woudnt have changed anything, its like TLO had wrist problems, if he was healthy would he have won couple MLG's ? No. Same with demuslim.
On January 01 2012 15:24 [Erasmus] wrote: Seriously, why is Mouz not team of the year... I get that EG/Liquid probably have a few more individual results on their roster, but Mouz are the scariest foreign team. Looks incredibly biased with only 2 nominations to begin with.
Im sorry, how exactly are they scarier then either TL or EG? EG with 2 Code 2 participants, 2 Code A, and 1 Code B(?), plus a handful of rather under preforming (though still very good) players. An TL with HerO (That alone makes them Scarier then Mouz) as well as Ret (best player in Europe arguably up there in top 3) as well as Sheth an now Zenio. Mouz really only has Morrow and Thorzain, outside of those two maybe Hasuobs but not much else vs these Goliaths of the foreigner scene. I respect Mouz but to claim them team of the year and the scariest team around is false. They're extreamly good but not that good.
look at liquipedia they have the most top 4 finishes of any team eventhough they have the smallest roster and they did best in team events mouz also has mana and wait- he is top 5 internation tlpd while there is no liquid or EG player there? and why is hero not in top 5 korea hmmmmmmm- nor is zenio nor puma OMG
ret can not possibly be considered top 3 europe (at least not on from a standpoint of someone who knows the scene
my of the guys above ret would be (not in order so pls no rage) naniwa sase thorzain stephano nerchio beastyqt kas mana demuslim ToD (morrow?) (and since he is so passive in the scene i am not completely sure about his current level but so i would put him around the level of demuslim/tod but im certain that tod will be a beast when he comes back from korea)
Last I checked none outside of Morrow and Thorzain were in Code S or even A unlike those on EG an TL which already puts them at a disadvantage for the reward. Best team = best players. An also theres a nice quote that goes "close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades." Meaning if its not first its not good enough. The other two have more Golds an on larger stages. Preforming on bigger stages as well makes you better vs winning a bunch on those smaller stages. Maybe I overrated Ret a bit but he's better then some of the guys you named an yes Zenio, Puma, JYP, and HerO may not be top Koreans but they're certainly better then most top foreigners hence why they alone swing the balance away from Mouz though as well as better performances on bigger stages as well.
Also your point about them not being top 5 korean is a joke right an would get beaten by Mouz right? So any of the following aren't or could be considered not top 5 korean so they're clearly not better then all of Mouz right? Bomber, Boxer, JYP, NesTea, Tassadar, MKP, Polt, Guinepig, Dragon, Ganzi, Sc, or DRG right
On January 01 2012 19:18 Hall0wed wrote: MVP should have gotten most revolutionary, or maybe Twitch, but besides that everything is perfect. I guess you had to give Stephano something or else the fanboys may have revolted.
I kind of agree with you on the "mvp deserving the most revolutionary award". But I also think that Stephano deserved the Breakout performance of the year, while i think Huk deserves his foreign player of the year title. In early 2011, both Thorzain and Stephano were unknown to most on sc2 (good master players but no lan or online cup won) and a bit known on wc3 but without any big results. And at the end of 2011 Stephano's performance outshines Thorzain's one. Maybe they meant "breakout performance...in a tournament during the year" and not "breakout performance...of the year" but that would be a strange choice.
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