[OSL] Merry X-Mas! Flash and JD are Out - Page 5

...where Leta played his teammate Type-B (now disgraced and retired for his involvement in the match-fixing scandal) in semi-finals.

On January 01 2011 09:10 KimchiFriedRice wrote:
Thanks guys for the article.
Stork vs Fanta wouldn't be a bad OSL at all :DD

Only problem is... Kal is still a contender

On January 01 2011 04:05 MuffinDude wrote:
Really? Stork winning will be a fluke? We all knew Stork had the potential of getting to the finals every starleague, yet just because Jaedong and Flash got knocked out at the ro16 because of their failure, you end up calling Stork's win a fluke? If you put it that way then how many fluke victories have there been in the last 2 years? If a player who wins gold didn't beat jaedong or flash is counted as a fluke victory, then theres been a lot of flukes victories in the history of starcraft. Yes, we missed potentially epic games, but look at how some jaedong v flash games finals went, some were really disappointing. If you want to blame people, you should go blame jaedong and flash for failing at the ro16.

On January 01 2011 06:25 Z3kk wrote:
I also disagree with Milkis's opinion that the title is worthless merely because Flash and Jaedong got knocked out... There is no way all of those OSLs have been "fluke wins" because the winner didn't defeat Flash and/or JD on the way to the title. It's quite insulting to many players, really... >n<

If Stork or any other player wins, it will be perfectly legitimate and well-deserved. (unless, for some reason, every single one of his opponents plays like garbage, which won't happen o.e)

On January 01 2011 12:38 Ambasa wrote:




I understand people can disagree with the article -- but honestly, the best reason you can come up with is "well then all the previous starleague winners are flukes?" then honestly I don't think you've read the article at all. Read more carefully please because I don't think I've done that bad of a job writing. I purposely did word the article harshly but don't expect this OSL to go down in the history books as having some epic matchmaking or some epic upsets -- it's just an OSL filled with 2nd and 3rd tier players with no opportunity to prove themselves.

On January 01 2011 19:28 MuffinDude wrote:

You wrote it? Unless you're milkis, then you're smoking pot. But you didn't do a bad job of writing, its the message you're trying to convey is bad, saying that stork, fantasy, mind are all 2nd and 3rd tier players and the only 1st tier players are flash and jaedong is absolute bull.

Jaedong and flash getting knocked out in ro16 isn't a huge upset? And I think a fantasy v stork final would be an epic finals, a rematch of incruit osl.

On January 01 2011 23:13 Milkis wrote:


Considering your response (which was filled with utter strawmans) I dunno whether to take your response that "message being conveyed was bad" seriously since I question if you even understood the message.

Not sure how you can believe Stork (was) on the same level of play as Jaedong/Flash in the past year. Same with Fantasy -- Lee Ssang was, for the most part, on a different level. It wasn't only until recently Jaedong and Flash slipped in their game, and I have utmost confidence in both players that they will come back and stay ahead of the game once again. If you don't believe that, "Well".

RO16 at least in OSL doesn't mean much considering it's group stages. Jaedong vs Baby RO16 is a huge upset since Baby absolutely murdered Jaedong. I think the best games of the OSL come at the single elimination stage (BO8 and onwards) and I feel bad that Stork, Fantasy, etc won't be able to show off what they may have actually been able to do -- which is take down Lee Ssang. I feel especially bad for Stork who I believe could take down Flash very potentially in a BO5. That would have been an amazing upset. If you think Flash and Jaedong losing in the RO16 will make this OSL any interesting then I dunno what to say, since I believe this OSL will be absolutely rubbish.

o and I'm Ambasa, not sure why people have such a hard time believing that lol

On January 01 2011 12:38 Ambasa wrote:
it's just an OSL filled with 2nd and 3rd tier players with no opportunity to prove themselves.

On January 02 2011 07:41 MuffinDude wrote:

Its hard to believe cause why would you need two accounts -_-.

Well. The problem is, since Stork has a chance of beating Jaedong and Flash in a BO5, Stork winning would not really count as a upset. Upsets only have when the someone who is predicted to have no chance of winning wins. Like hogil > jaedong was an upset.

The problem with your idea of perfect starcraft is to beat Flash and Jaedong, which is complete bull. As I said, sure playing against Flash and Jaedong might result to great games, but that is not always the case. Flash v stork finals and many disappointing flash v jaedong series goes on to prove that a match between the top two players will not always result in a great play. I've also seen plenty of good games in the ro16. And flash and jaedong losing in the ro16 might actually make this more interesting, as flash and jaedong could simply play one sided games until they reach the finals, which to me is not very interesting.

The biggest problem is this:

This makes it sound as if no one can play on the level of Jaedong and Flash and that only Jaedong and Flash are counted as 1st tier players. You need to stop idolizing jaedong and flash and start accepting more progamers.

If you don't think games played by other progamers are interesting, then you're not properly enjoying bw.

On January 02 2011 12:37 Milkis wrote:


At this point, I don't think you're going to understand, so I'm going to make it as simple as possible and hope that you get it.

- Good Starcraft players beating Great Starcraft players in epic games makes for not "good" starcraft, but amazing starcraft (Savior 0:3 Bisu)
- All the Starcraft players considered "Great" that would allow this to happen are gone.
- There's no magical story that can happen in this OSL, which makes it boring and makes the title rather empty, because they gained their title through a certain amount of luck (Jaedong and Flash having off days and getting eliminated, with little of it have to do with their own doing)

Based on this you manage to make ridiculous implications about how I enjoy starcraft and telling me "i'm not properly enjoying bw". Stop making ridiculous assumptions and maybe you'll learn that there is more to the game than what you actually believe.

Accusing me of Idolizing players? The hell, is everyone you talk to mindless fanboys who can't think at all?