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[OSL] Merry X-Mas! Flash and JD are Out

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[OSL] Merry X-Mas! Flash and JD are Out

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December 31st, 2010 05:55 GMT
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by KwarK, Milkis and Waxangel


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Results and Battle Reports

Best OSL Ever

Quarter-final Preview


In what was certainly one of their worst Christmas's ever, Flash and Jaedong were eliminated from the Bacchus Starleague. At least Flash is Buddhist; Jaedong's face betrayed the anguish of someone who was not only eliminated from the OSL, but also did not receive the limited edition Optimus Prime transformer he wanted so badly (I'm looking at you mom).

It is a momentous occasion to have both of the Leessang eliminated from the OSL in the RO16, after nearly two years of having at least one of them in the final. To capture the significance and implications of this moment, we commissioned our very own Milkis to give us his finest work. But beware, it's a bit... how should I say it... pointed. Well, maybe this will give you a hint:


+ Show Spoiler [TL Building, Dec 26th, 2010] +
I handed back Milkis’ finished draft across the coffee table. We were sitting in the OSL team lounge, a cozy little room with a sofa (now occupied by a gently snoring Kwark), some assorted pieces of furniture, and few muted TVs fixed to Korean e-Sports.

“It’s good, I like it.” I said.

“So it’s good to go? You don’t think that little bit towards the end is too excessive or…?” Milkis trailed off.

“No, not at all. Some minor stylistic changes and it’s done.” I reassured.

As Milkis beamed back at me, I reached for the second document that lay on the table.

“Actually, there’s just one final item left on the checklist. If you could just—“

The door creaked open and flamewheel poked his head through the crack.

“Hey guys, what’s goin’ on down in the OSL offices?”

“FUCK OFF, SHITWHEEL!” hollered Milkis.

A mug shattered on the wall, a foot away from flamewheel’s head. I heard a frightened yelp, and then the sound of the MSL head fleeing down the hallway.

“Mmm… what’s that?” stirred KwarK.

“Nothing.” We replied in unison. Kwark shifted his body away from the lights and went back to snoozing.

“Sorry, what were you talking about?”

“Yeah, one more thing. If you could sign this release form…”

“What for? I’ve never had to sign anything before.”

“It’s standard stuff, really. It just states that we’re not responsible for any damage of property or bodily harm you may suffer due to the publication of this article, including but not limited to injury and/or death.”

“What!?”

“You know, crazy fanboy stuff. Brick through the window, stolen car, tar and feathering, that kind of thing. Like I said, standard stuff. Just sign it and we’re good to go.”

“That kind of stuff can happen?”

“I can’t tell you it can’t happen, but I can say it’s almost improbable.”

“What?”

“Just sign it.”

“I’m still not sure….”

“Look, it’s not like people know where you live, right?”

“No….”

“Then just sign it.”

I offered him a pen.


Oh that, battle reports, and a quarter-final preview.


Round of 16, Week Three


Quick Results


+ Show Spoiler [Results and VODs] +
Group A:
(Z)Hyuk 3-0 ►Advances to Round of 8
(P)Kal 2-1 ►Advances to Round of 8
(T)Flash 1-2 Eliminated
(P)Paralyze 0-3 Eliminated

[VOD] (T)Flash < Aztec > (P)Kal
[VOD] (P)Paralyze < Gladiator > (Z)Hyuk
[VOD] (T)Flash < Pathfinder > (P)Paralyze
[VOD] (P)Kal < Pathfinder > (Z)Hyuk
[VOD] (Z)Hyuk < Icarus > (T)Flash
[VOD] (P)Kal < Icarus > (P)Paralyze

Group B:
(Z)Calm 2-1 ►Advances to Round of 8
(T)HiyA 2-1 ►Advances to Round of 8
(Z)Jaedong 1-2 Eliminated
(Z)HoGiL 1-2 Eliminated

[VOD] (Z)Calm < Gladiator > (Z)HoGiL
[VOD] (Z)Jaedong < Pathfinder > (T)HiyA
[VOD] (T)HiyA < Icarus > (Z)HoGiL
[VOD] (Z)Jaedong < Icarus > (Z)Calm
[VOD] (T)HiyA < Aztec > (Z)Calm
[VOD] (Z)HoGiL < Aztec > (Z)Jaedong

Group C:
(P)Stork 2-1 (2-0) ►Advances to Round of 8
(T)Mind 2-1 (1-1) ►Advances to Round of 8
(Z)Shine 2-1 (0-2) Eliminated
(T)Sea 0-3 Eliminated

[VOD] (P)Stork < Pathfinder > (T)Mind
[VOD] (T)Sea < Icarus > (Z)Shine
[VOD] (P)Stork < Aztec > (T)Sea
[VOD] (T)Mind < Aztec > (Z)Shine
[VOD] (Z)Shine < Gladiator > (P)Stork
[VOD] (T)Mind < Gladiator > (T)Sea

[VOD] (P)Stork < Gladiator > (T)Mind
[VOD] (P)Stork < Aztec > (Z)Shine
[VOD] (T)Mind < Pathfinder > (Z)Shine

Group D:
(Z)Modesty 2-1 ►Advances to Round of 8
(T)Fantasy 2-1 ►Advances to Round of 8
(Z)Hydra 1-2 Eliminated
(P)free 1-2 Eliminated

[VOD] (T)Fantasy < Icarus > (Z)Modesty
[VOD] (P)free < Aztec > (Z)Hydra
[VOD] (Z)Hydra < Gladiator > (Z)Modesty
[VOD] (P)free < Gladiator > (T)Fantasy
[VOD] (Z)Hydra < Pathfinder > (T)Fantasy
[VOD] (Z)Modesty < Pathfinder > (P)free
- Thanks to flamewheel for formatting.


Battle Reports


Day 5 VODs - Interviews - Day 6 VODs - Interviews


by Kwark

Group A

+ Show Spoiler [Flash vs Hyuk - Icarus] +

Okay, so everyone knows the result by now, the question is how did it happen? Flash's opening build wasn't great, a forward 8 rax meant for a bunker rush, forced to transition into a quick command centre against Hyuk's overpool. Flash's natural on Icarus was relatively exposed, so he couldn't simply go depot cc and safely expand the way he wanted. Therefore Flash was forced to do a two depot wallin, not actually starting his expansion until 17 supply. It was late, very late, "the lair was already on its way" kinda late.

Flash's scouting had been limited, and they were at close positions (12:00 - 3:00) where two hatch muta hits very fast. All his timings were off, the comsat came too late to give him time to react to scan intel and the turrets were just too late as well. Flash's marines couldn't do much on the terrain of Icarus so his response to being under this kind of pressure was to make a lot of turrets. Hyuk microed excellently and the map enabled him to keep the pressure for a very long time until Flash got irradiate. Meanwhile Hyuk established a third gas, got some drones together and transitioned. In the meanwhile, Flash never really built up an economy or production infrastructure.

Hyuk eventually came in with a big lair army of mutas, lurkers, and zerglings, and Flash found himself with too many turrets and not much of anything else. Though Flash barely held off the attack with his usual "defend now, win later" attitude, Hyuk already had an insurmountable advantage. The last few minutes of the game were just a formality before Flash GG'd out.

Flash's loss came through a combination of factors. The 8 rax and the layout of the natural gave him a very late natural expansion (though I'm not sure why he 8 raxed knowing this). Hyuk's build and all the above meant the mutalisk defences were a little late, and the map terrain, combined with Hyuk's good micro meant it was very difficult for Flash to retake any initiative. Unable to take any offensive action, it was inevitable Flash would sit there and die. Each factor exacerbated the existing problems to make Flash's situation progressively worse, it all flowed nicely to a Hyuk victory.


Match Ratings
Flash: 2/5
Hyuk: 4/5
Overall: 2/5

Wax's Take: Can't really blame Flash for making so many turrets in this game, because there was a real danger of dying straight up to mutalisks here. It's really hard to say what he could have done better outside really general things, like "don't 8 rax" or "less turrets, micro marines better."


+ Show Spoiler [Paralyze vs Kal - Icarus] +
In a battle of mutually revealed reaver rushes, Paralyze dared to try a drop anyway. Fortunately for Kal, Paralyze is both unlucky and bad at Starcraft. He got off one scarab before Kal could react, but he aimed for a probe that had just finished mining and was returning to the nexus. One kill. Following that, Paralyze let his reaver die to a scarab, because even with a speed-shuttle he couldn't pick it up in time.

With a one reaver advantage, Kal attacked directly for a clean win.


Match Ratings
Kal: 4/5
Paralyze: 2/5
Overall: 2/5

Wax's Take: I'm sad I can't use Afrotoss pictures anymore.


Group B

+ Show Spoiler [Calm vs Hiya - Aztec] +
This game had both players accidentally going allin. It didn't make a whole lot of sense. Openings were pretty standard, with Hiya going for a rax FE vs a slightly rushy 2 hatch spire from Calm.

Hiya was going for a standard pre-emptive M&M pressure to force zerg to use mutalisks to defend, but four lucky speedlings ran into Hiya's base just as his army was departing. They bought just five, maybe ten seconds of time, but it was a critical delay. Hiya's M&M lost valuable marching time towards Calm's main, and the lack of threat allowed Calm's mutalisks to fly directly into the turretless Terran main.

Rather than play a painful, losing game of tag with mutalisks in his main, Hiya decided he was just going to pray for the best and send everything he had on a counter-attack. Though this solution worked versus a stupefied Jaedong during the opening week, Calm actually reacted correctly. While his mutas tore up Hiya's main for as long as possible, he built mass sunken colonies at his natural. He timed his mutalisk return precisely, coming to mop up Hiya's remaining troops after they had been heavily damaged by the stationary defenses.

Calm then coolly finished Hiya off, collecting the GG.


Match Ratings
Calm: 3/5
Hiya: 2/5
Overall: 2/5

Wax's Take: None.


+ Show Spoiler [Jaedong vs Hogil - Aztec] +

The game opened with both players taking relatively quick expansions, and Jaedong testing Hogil's nerves with an early speedling attack. Hogil defended well, putting up a sunken just in case.

Around spire completion timing, both players decided to go for the obligatory zergling rush. In a curious turn of events, their lings ran past each other in the middle of the map with no combat whatsoever as they tacitly agreed to a base trade situation.

However Jaedong messed it up in a number of ways, initially by stopping to kill the sunken colony at Hogil's natural rather than running into the main where the drones and spire were. Meanwhile HoGiL went straight for Jaedong's drones. Jaedong eventually ran into the main but by the time he was there HoGiL had a sunken on the way.

Still, Jaedong could have struck a big blow by forcing down Hogil's spire. He nearly succeeded before he made a truly unbelievable mistake, where his zerglings simply stopped hitting a red HP spire and circled aimlessly around Hogil's drones, trying to get to the sunken colony.

That left Jaedong with 0 drones, under 50 minerals, and with just a handful of mutalisks against a fully operational opponent. In a similar manner to Zero during the RO36, Jaedong couldn't bring himself to go for an immediate last ditch attack in a situation where he was certainly going to lose in the next 30 seconds. He hung around for a minute and contemplated his mistakes: throwing a bunch of zerglings away early, doing a zergling allin counter with fewer zerglings than his opponent, then attacking base defences rather than running past them. After he let the reality of his elimination sink in (with some truly great facial expressions), Jaedong GG'd.


Match Ratings
Hogil: 3/5
Jaedong: 2/5
Overall: 2/5

Wax's Take: Ridiculously bad from Jaedong. Regardless of all his previous mistakes, if he had managed to take down the spire, he had a chance. And it was definitely going down, until he stopped attacking it for god knows what reason. The situation would have been 6~7 mutas for Jaedong against Hogil's two, and whatever scourge he had been hatching at the time. Definitely a situation where he could have tried to micro to a win.


Group C

+ Show Spoiler [Shine vs Stork - Gladiator] +
With standing openings in play for both players, Stork went for +1 attack and a fast citadel while trying to use his scouting zealots to simulate some pressure and force Shine to make some zerglings. However Shine one upped him by getting zergling speed quickly and killing the zealots which were faking pressure. Stork never wanted to actually attack with his first two zealots, he was just trying to force a bit of ling production to mess with Shine's econ. Shine's speed made Stork's build significantly weaker. Stork transitioned into more gateways and templar tech but there was no real window to use his +1 speedlots.

Shine did an extremely sexy timing attack. He gambled that while Stork was messing around with +1 zealots on the map he'd be switching to ht and storm. Therefore he took a few speedlings and two lurkers and attacked Stork's natural, which would have been stopped easily had there been any defenders. The choke had only freshly produced HTs to defend, and Shine was free to run in and kill the cannons and templars. Shine seized the opening and pumped pure hydra-lurk, a move Stork might have delayed if he had used his zealots in the field more wisely.

With his cannons and HTs gone, Stork had lost the core of his defense. With Shine on full troop production from multiple hatcheries, Stork could not keep up with the constant battering and was forced to GG.

Shine gets a lot of credit for that timing attack there, showing an excellent understanding of Protoss timings. Stork reacted poorly, the attack had already done all it could (only two lurkers were left) by the time his speedlot army returned, he should have kept them on the map to cut off reinforcements rather than have yet more useless zealots contained by the lurkers. The two lurkers could have ultimately just been ignored, their damage output was low and they couldn't get near the mineral line. However Shine was able to use them as a bridgehead from which he could continue to pound Stork's natural.


Match Ratings
Shine: 4/5
Stork: 3/5
Overall: 3/5

Wax's Take: KwarK is so kind, I thought it was just dumb luck . You can't really blame Shine for winning games within ten minutes when his opponents are making mistakes that practically beg for it.


+ Show Spoiler [Sea vs Mind - Gladiator] +

Sea started off with a highly advantageous rax-CC against Mind's much later factory-CC, but it was of no real consequence as both players were content to be passive and play towards the late game.

Sea was thinking too far ahead, spreading his troops too widely to claim a stake in territories he would not require for a while yet. Mind took advantage of this by concentrating his forces and attacking Sea's isolated positions with superior numbers.

Mind's superior positioning and battle micro (with repairs and sniping tanks with 2 hits and some vulture/wraith) cost Sea tanks over and over. Sea made some bad decisions too, reinforcing some of his falling positions rather than contracting and cutting his losses. Though Mind was technically the attacker, he had the defender's advantage when Sea came in to try and dislodge him.

Mind also got a much faster third base and third gas and used that to diversify his main army with some wraiths, thereby forcing goliaths and putting pressure on the gas and tank count. Overall Mind just displayed better awareness and was able to concentrate forces at key moments to establish cost effective victories. After numerous small-scale victories all over the map, Mind eventually had a big enough advantage to attack Sea directly and take the game.


Match Ratings
Mind: 4/5
Sea: 3/5
Overall: 4/5

Wax's Take: For better or worse, Mind often plays like a better Sea.


Group D

+ Show Spoiler [Fantasy vs Hydra - Pathfinder] +
After a lengthy period of banishment, the "Fantasy build" made its return. Yes, that cute goliath-valkyrie fast expansion designed for Terran users who have worthless M&M vs muta micro. Unfortunately for Fantasy, Hydra went for a 3 hatch hydralisk bust.

The hydra bust did a lot of damage, but it didn't finish Fantasy off. Although Fantasy microed incredibly he still lost a lot of scvs and took a lot of damage. Hydra got a lot of drones and unit production with the momentum from the push and Fantasy couldn't really do much until the late game.

Since his plan was to go double upgrade, turtle mech, it didn't bother Fantasy too much to be passive for twenty minutes, but it gave Hydra time to take bases, make drones and build hatcheries. Things worked out for Fantasy in the end, as Hydra tried a massive six hatch hydralisk attack rather then play for a hive stage game. The results were pretty predictable (hydralisks died).

Having committed himself to fighting the mech in the midgame, Hydra was left with one more option in a huge hydralisk drop. This went even more poorly than his ground attack, as he decided to land in the middle of a clearly visible minefield. As is typically the case when one has no units left, Hydra went on to lose the game.

Hydra did some damage early on but committed to breaking a mine + tank + terrain defence. He left himself no real exits and therefore lost when those attacks failed.

Match Ratings
Fantasy: 4/5
Hydra: 2/5
Overall: 2/5

Wax's Take: After a solid month of seeing Hydra play like a beast, it was pretty jarring to see him play a straight up BAD game.


+ Show Spoiler [Free vs Modesty - Pathfinder] +
This game was an extremely standard example of one of the most standard PvZ builds ever. What makes it interesting, for me at least, is that everything Free touched turned to gold. He took a fast second gas, a fast +1 ground attack, pumped corsairs out of one stargate with +1 air while going fast legs and a second gateway. It's an extremely standard timing attack; the second gateway delays the tech a bit but with +1 air and constant corsair production the Protoss can cover himself from mutalisks.

The +1 speedlot attack happened while Modesty did the standard 3 hat spire 5 hat hydra build. The double entrances to the perimeter bases on Pathfinder meant Modesty's building sim-city at this third base was mostly worthless, and he was forced to throw a lot of zerglings at the zealots after his sunkens fell.

Free reached critical corsair mass as well, and killed an awful lot of overlords while all this was going on. All the scourge that came to defend were cut down, and soon Free's food count had ballooned to double Modesty's. And then, he simply killed his opponent. Not much really to say to be honest, it was a PvZ where everything Protoss did exactly what it was meant to which ended the game as one might hope. I've only written this much because I'm a Protoss fanboy.


Match Ratings
Free: 4/5
Modesty: 1/5
Overall: 2/5

Wax's Take: They need to think of a format where we don't have games like this where both players are already eliminated.





Tiebreaker Turmoil: Group C - VODs - Interviews

by WaxAngel

+ Show Spoiler [Stork vs Mind - Gladiator] +
Having exhausted all other methods of mauling Terran players, Stork decided to go for what was a refreshing display old school macro power. Mind must have imagined he had the late-game chops to hang with Stork, but he was proven sorely wrong.

A little early-game posturing aside, this game quickly went into free-expand mode. It turned into something like four base terran vs six base protoss very quickly, with huge armies appearing on both sides. Instead of going for the carriers that had served him so well, Stork went for a huge gateway force supported by spellcasters in arbiters and templars. And they killed.

With more money than his opponent, Stork was not afraid to trade blows. Not only did he hold his ground, but he had Mind wobbling on his feet. With excellent use of stasis field and psi storm, Stork was nullifying upgraded mech’s ridiculous splash with his own overpowered abilities.

The battles appeared to go evenly, but again, Stork had six bases to Mind’s four. After several rounds in the meatgrinder, Mind was running out of gas while Stork was still merrily rampaging along. A few more rounds passed, and Mind threw in the towel.

Kwark's Take: Mind started at a disadvantage and couldn't find an easy third expansion on Gladiator. With no expansion for the midgame Mind tried to do his trademark mass vulture harass which Stork saw coming and countered with observers at key positions on the map. Stork's third was much faster while Mind's midgame did no damage. Mind didn't really do anything so Stork took six bases which left him with no real options if his single maxed 2-1 push didn't win. Stork did a very nice pushbreak with shuttle storms and killed all Mind's tanks which bought him a load of time to get his bases going. From then on Stork had more money and map control so he won.

Stork: 4/5
Mind: 3/5
Overall: 4/5



+ Show Spoiler [Stork vs Shine - Aztec] +
Fulfilling the wishes of anti-fans across the world, Shine got screwed over by a lair stage attack. Stork’s attack, anyway. Using the same +1 speedlot rush from their previous meeting, Stork got amazing results at Shine’s third base.

With this solid advantage, Stork made a smart move and expanded quickly. In another smart move, he scouted Shine’s somewhat obvious muta-switch and pumped sairs to counter them, and to complete his brainy trifecta, he made a pair of reavers to accompany his hanbang rush.

This thoroughly countered Shine’s play from behind playbook of 1) Switch mutas, buying drone time and doing some economic damage, 2) Backdoor Protoss’s third base attempt while delaying with lurkers, 3) Turtle with lurkers and sunkens until hive.

Stork’s hanbang army laid waste to everything in its past, and he received the GG and passage into the RO8.

Kwark's Take: Stork did the same standard PvZ opening as he did in the last match against Shine but didn't lose his first few zealots. Shine tried to do the same trick as last time with a speedling counter as Stork pushed out but Stork was ready to block him with a cannon in his main while Shine's wall was lacking zerglings to plug the gaps.

Shine's plan of holding the 12 natural and taking the main while using muta to get map control was good in theory but Stork just expanded everywhere with archons, dragoons and corsairs. Stork's supply count surged ahead of his opponents and he simply killed him. After the drone losses at the start and the mass sunkens Shine was always behind in eco. He should have used those early zerglings to defend.

Stork: 4/5
Shine: 3/5
Overall: 3/5


+ Show Spoiler [Mind vs Shine - Pathfinder] +
Surely these two must have played this scenario out many time in practice, as they went two port wraith vs two hatch mutalisks on Pathfinder. I don't know what Shine faced in practice, but he must have really hated those wraiths. After getting a few mutalisks and scourge out, he went for a very reckless attack on the Terran main, which was already defended with turrets.

I can only assume his intent was to try and trade mutalisks for wraiths before the cloaking upgrade was complete, as wraiths need to reach a certain critical mass to be dangerous. However, his execution was not crisp and it ended up being more of a mutalisks throwaway than a unit trade. Mind just safely took his own natural, while even adding a few valkyries which gave his wraiths free access to Shine's main.

Shine made a late transition to land troops with drops, a desperate move to get him back in the game. He managed to drop successfully but didn't do any real damage, and it was not long till GG from there.

Kwark's Take: Shine never really got the chance to powerdrone because he lost many of his early mutalisks with no damage done and had to keep making mutalisks to keep his defence up. A slow, safe Terran expansion was the nail in the coffin, outstripping Shine economically while he was still forced to make units to defend. Shine needed to regain some initiative to get breathing room to sort out his economy but his drop was blocked fairly easily and he just found himself without money or options.

Mind's build was very high tech while Shine's counter was very lair focussed which meant that when neither landed a killing blow Mind was left with the smoother transitions. He had the money and the tech to switch into the late game while Shine needed more time and delayed himself further by getting drop tech. However he couldn't really get anything going because Mind found it pretty easy to defend two adjacent bases from known threats.

Mind: 4/5
Shine: 2/5
Overall: 4/5


"Best OSL Ever"


by Milkis

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With some of the worst decision making I have ever seen in professional matches, Jaedong and Flash both managed to find themselves out of the OSL. Perhaps it's a curse or perhaps they both had an off day, but you'd need the power of both theories to explain why Flash decided to 8 rax Hyuk out of all people, or why Jaedong failed to snipe the Spire or why he played so aggressively and took huge risks against Hogil out of all the Zergs. It wasn't that Hogil or Hyuk played particularly well -- it was that Jaedong and Flash, well, made rather questionable decisions.

It's time to celebrate, right? Stork fans must be ecstatic -- Song Byung Goo for Gold! With Lee Ssang and Shine out of the way, it's finally the year of the Protoss, with Stork and Kal leading the way. Or perhaps some people were just tired of Lee Ssang dominated finals -- as if, they've just accepted that their heroes have little chance against Flash and Jaedong.

Perhaps it's because I'm a huge Jaedong fan, but I think such attitudes are rather disgusting. I don't think there is any worth to winning a Starleague, especially nowadays, if you do not take down Flash or Jaedong on the way to the top. Stork's sole purpose in this league was to bring Flash or Jaedong (or both!) to their knees and rise to the top -- yet, he gets to do neither. Whoever wins this OSL is now forever cursed with winning based on a fluke -- much like JulyZerg's last OSL victory. There's no reason to believe that whoever wins this OSL is at the top of the game -- regardless of what their ELO may look like by the end of the league. There's no glory to it, merely a title. Wouldn't victory be sweeter for Fantasy if he beat Jaedong in a BoX on his way? But all we're left with are potentially freakish scenarios such as the Zerg overwhelming the Protoss and Terran, and Modesty emerging to win it all.

You're free to say that this all makes the OSL more interesting, but in the end, we're missing out on potential epic history making in all of this. In the end, this Starleague will mean much less -- Fantasy may escape the Kong line (which is only a gimmick), Stork may get his second gold, but in the end, all you would gain from this is another title -- nothing, in the end, that says that the player is anywhere near the top of his game. I lament the opportunity lost for Stork and Fantasy -- especially since both of these players had shown they could put up a fight against the Lee Ssang in a BoX just last season.

But this is not to defend Flash nor Jaedong. As Carefree Me put it -- "At least Bisu lost to Shine". Losing to Hyuk and Hogil is simply indefensible and I question both Flash and Jaedong's game sense in a BoX series -- especially Jaedong's. Jaedong seems to have forgotten how to play the game -- being overconfident and over aggressive against weaker players when he does not need to take such risks, or being too greedy against top calibur players and being punished for it -- how many games has he lost because he didn't build up an army? I hope during this off season for Jaedong and Flash, they are able to recover their game, and bring back what high-end Brood War is all about.


Look, I don't know where Milkis lives either. So don't ask me.

Quarter-Final Preview


by WaxAngel

(Z)Hyuk vs (T)Fantasy - (Z)Calm vs (T)Mind - (Z)Modesty vs (P)Kal - (T)HiyA vs (P)Stork



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Common sense might tell you that team-kill situations shouldn’t change the expected outcome of a multi-game series. However, there are some strange mind games involved against someone you’ve played hundreds of times in practice, to the point where nothing you do makes sense to an outside observer (that’s a fake-fake-fake-fake-fake-fake four pool, the correct response must be to 14 cc).

The ghost of Bacchus past came to remind me that there was an almost identical situation in the 2009 Bacchus OSL, where Leta played his teammate Type-B (now disgraced and retired for his involvement in the match-fixing scandal) in the quarter-finals.

The similarities are starting: The team’s fan favorite, superstar Terran ace goes up against his under-appreciated, decidedly mediocre zerg ‘ace’ teammate. In 2009, the Hollywood premise led to a Hollywood ending as the underdog Type-B took down a strangely vexed Leta.

Prediction: This one is just too volatile to call. Two wildly inconsistent players + the team-kill factor means anything is possible.


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With two BLAH team-kills and another SvT demolition (forget JvZ, Stork vs Terran is the new vogue), this is our marquee matchup. On an excitement scale of “observing continental drift” to “multiple-nerdgasms,” this one measures in at “casually interested.”

Performance wise, Mind and Calm are pretty similar players. They are talented players who got their s*** together for just long enough to win an MSL, but after that they’ve fallen into a spell of horrible inconsistency. They’re still the second best players on their teams (and the aces at their best), and can look very good against mediocre competition.

In terms of playstyle, they differ greatly. Mind is a jack of all trades who likes to play it safe; in other words he is one of the most boring active progamers. On the other hand, Calm plays a more cerebral game, though it might be more accurate to call him a clever player than an intelligent one. It’s an interesting quirk of fate that they’ve ended up on similar career paths.

With two pretty good, evenly matched players with contrasting playstyles going at it, it will make for some entertaining if unenticing Starcraft.

Prediction: Mind, solely because his general form is slightly better as of late.


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See: Hyuk vs Fantasy

Ok, there is actually one little complication that might influence the outcome. By picking up two wins in the RO16 that directly led to Flash’s elimination, Kal has accumulated a ton of bad Karma.

“Thanks for saving my life pal, now let me bring your record setting run to an unceremonious end.” You think the BW gods (no, not THAT god) are gonna let that fly? Sorry Kal, you’ve got divine retribution coming.


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Or...

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I think that sums it up nicely? With JD and Flash out of the OSL, it’s now Stork’s turn to administer the no holds barred beatdowns. Let me lay it out, plain and simple. Stork: best vsT in the world. Hiya: third best vsP on Hwaseung OZ?

I guess OnGameNet really wants that Stork versus Fantasy final as their backup plan. I can’t blame them for their lack of subtlety, since it’s pretty hard to discretely rig your brackets once you’re down to eight players.

Prediction: Without doing a ton of research, I think I can safely assume this will go down as a top 15 most one-sided RO8 matchup in OSL history.

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Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 31 2010 05:57 GMT
#2
Jaedong why oh why??


I guess it's Stork time!!

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Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
December 31 2010 05:58 GMT
#3
Stork is gonna beat down hiya haha
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Profile Joined December 2010
United States39 Posts
December 31 2010 05:59 GMT
#4
Stork better win it all!
Cha1R
Profile Joined November 2010
United States221 Posts
December 31 2010 06:00 GMT
#5
FLASH! NO!!!
XThunderyX
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States367 Posts
December 31 2010 06:01 GMT
#6
I'd just like to point out that HiyA has a 4 - 1 record against Stork. That is all.

Still probably going to lose, but never lose faith in the Karp.
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
December 31 2010 06:02 GMT
#7
I have to sleep now, but I can't wait to read this when I get up tomorrow!
HiyA vs Stork is bloody birlliant - Amazing picture! :D

Stork for champion of everything. Fighting!

And thanks a lot for keeping up the writing! I love ya!
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Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9756 Posts
December 31 2010 06:04 GMT
#8
Wow what a title lol
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doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 06:04:47
December 31 2010 06:04 GMT
#9
Fantasy may escape the Kong line (which is only a gimmick)

YOU TAKE THAT BACK
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swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 06:19:39
December 31 2010 06:05 GMT
#10
Epic OSL write-up is epic

Wax so amazing
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Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
December 31 2010 06:06 GMT
#11
I don't like the theory that it's a tainted win because XXX and YYY weren't there. Everyone is in the touney... they got BEAT! Whoever win's deserves to win. You can only beat what is put in front of you. Whoever Lifts Gold this season deserves it, regardless of who is playing, because they played best this season... Flash and Jaedong played badly.. so they don't deserve to be there this season, simple as that.
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
December 31 2010 06:09 GMT
#12
lol I knew that screencap would come in handy.

Perhaps it's because I'm a huge Jaedong fan, but I think such attitudes are rather disgusting. I don't think there is any worth to winning a Starleague, especially nowadays, if you do not take down Flash or Jaedong on the way to the top.

Amen. Exactly why Kal's victory will be worthy.

GJ guys
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Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
December 31 2010 06:11 GMT
#13
It isn't Stork's fault that JD and Flash played the way they did. I still think it's a legit win (if he wins). It's not like the NBA lockout season when the Spurs won (that shit didn't count), this was a full season and if he wins it's because he beat everyone who stood in his way. Not his fault it isn't Flash or JD. Anyway I'm happy for Protoss, and sad for Jaedong cuz I heart him.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
December 31 2010 06:13 GMT
#14
On December 31 2010 15:09 moopie wrote:
lol I knew that screencap would come in handy.

Show nested quote +
Perhaps it's because I'm a huge Jaedong fan, but I think such attitudes are rather disgusting. I don't think there is any worth to winning a Starleague, especially nowadays, if you do not take down Flash or Jaedong on the way to the top.

Amen. Exactly why Kal's victory will be worthy.

GJ guys


or hyuk's
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Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
December 31 2010 06:16 GMT
#15
magikarp the dragon slayer will beat stork.

:O vs :>
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Weedk
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States507 Posts
December 31 2010 06:23 GMT
#16
Milkis must be found. Also, it's time to evolve to Gyarados.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
December 31 2010 06:24 GMT
#17
Nice writeup: Can't believe the OSL powers that be couldn't have just switched the hyuk-fantasy and kal-modesty pairings around? Seems rather silly to me.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
December 31 2010 06:25 GMT
#18
Milkis is sooooore lol

gotta love these writeups, I loved the image related to Stork vs Hiya hahaha
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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
December 31 2010 06:27 GMT
#19
I admit, I was hoping for Stork to have a chance to take down either Flash or Jaedong. He's fully capable, and it would have been a nice addition (and as has been mentioned, legitimating bit) to his inevitable OSL gold.

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Profile Blog Joined May 2010
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Last Edited: 2010-12-31 06:33:37
December 31 2010 06:33 GMT
#20
lol at shitwheel XD

big thanks to the Waxangel and silversky for this awesome article!!!

(and to other writing staff who i forgot to mention)
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Profile Joined August 2010
United States330 Posts
December 31 2010 06:34 GMT
#21
SONG BYOUNG GOO!!! SONG BYOUNG GOO!!! SONG BYOUNG GOO!!! GOO STORK! TAKE ONE FOR THE SONS OF AIUR!!
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Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
December 31 2010 06:35 GMT
#22
I will enjoy Stork vs Hiya very much
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Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
December 31 2010 06:36 GMT
#23
On December 31 2010 15:35 Loser777 wrote:
I will enjoy Stork vs Hiya very much

You enjoy rape O_o? How strange.
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Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 31 2010 06:43 GMT
#24
I disagree with you about the SL win being something less now. It's certainly not a Casy or a July win, and there really aren't any SL winners that aren't really good players in good form. Flash and Jaedong lost in a stupid fashion, so why would they deserve the win? They might have done the same thing against the eventual winner.
Besides, Kal beat Flash. Not in a series, but still.
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
December 31 2010 06:56 GMT
#25
That is a bold title. I'm too sleepy to give this the indepth attention it deserves. Will read in morning.
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United States10328 Posts
December 31 2010 07:14 GMT
#26
On December 31 2010 14:55 Waxangel wrote:

The door creaked open and flamewheel poked his head through the crack.

“Hey guys, what’s goin’ on down in the OSL offices?”

“FUCK OFF, SHITWHEEL!” hollered Milkis.

A mug shattered on the wall, a foot away from flamewheel’s head. I heard a frightened yelp, and then the sound of the MSL head fleeing down the hallway.



lololololololololol

On December 31 2010 14:55 Waxangel wrote: On an excitement scale of “observing continental drift” to “multiple-nerdgasms,” this one measures in at “casually interested.”


how about "watching pots to see them not convect"? (no joke, my astrophysics teacher apparently said that to all of his astrophysics classes, since apparently it's strange that solids don't convect)

also,

CALM MIND (lol)

and

INTER.calm
INTER.mind

clanmate-ness could be an x-factor!

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4vvhiplash7
Profile Joined December 2010
South Africa392 Posts
December 31 2010 07:28 GMT
#27
No Flash... No Jaedong... I guess its up to Kal now... its about time he won a starleague! Thanks for the article! Have a happy New Year everyone!
Bwenjarin Raffrack
Profile Joined November 2008
United States322 Posts
December 31 2010 07:35 GMT
#28
On December 31 2010 15:43 Lightwip wrote:
Besides, Kal beat Flash. Not in a series, but still.


On Aztec, which is 1-10 TvP in televised games. The only Terran win was Bogus's BBS against Jaehoon.

Q: Your thoughts on winning the first match.
▲ (P)Kal: Aztec is heavily favored for P, so I coudn't lose, so I felt a lot of pressure. Today's victory gave me a lot of confidence.


Which other Terran had to play against Protoss on Aztec and Zerg on Icarus? Being eliminated was entirely within reason. Expect him to lose even more games in Winners League as well as he's forced to play on those maps. Honestly, though, rumors of God's death are greatly exaggerated.
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
December 31 2010 07:36 GMT
#29
I predict Stork to extend FanTaSy's kong line term.

I want FanTaSy to win his first OSL so bad though... ^.^ 정면훈 화이팅!
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truent
Profile Joined October 2010
4 Posts
December 31 2010 07:48 GMT
#30
Is OSL broadcast or restreamed anywhere?
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
December 31 2010 07:56 GMT
#31
Heres to hoping for a PvP finals!

Cheers!
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
December 31 2010 08:06 GMT
#32
Minds second best player on wemade------------- WAT!? Snine baby roro and midas better :[

Otherwise nice writeup, and where did milkis live again? I want to send him flowers ^_^
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33363 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 08:09:42
December 31 2010 08:09 GMT
#33
On December 31 2010 16:48 truent wrote:
Is OSL broadcast or restreamed anywhere?


regularly restreamed live
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 31 2010 08:42 GMT
#34
On December 31 2010 17:09 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 16:48 truent wrote:
Is OSL broadcast or restreamed anywhere?


regularly restreamed live


If you have good internet it's a good idea to sign up on the OGN website for access, there is a guide stickied under the broodwar forum. I'm sure for something like this there will be a restreamer, but sometimes the stream goes down, or no one is streaming so it's nice to have that as a back up.
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
December 31 2010 08:52 GMT
#35
[OSL] Merry X-Mas! Flash and JD are Out

best tittle ever, oh god i laughed xD

and yes OSL is all the sudden very interesting again, enough of this Bonwja bs, diversity, upsets, drama, rising stars, gogogogogogogo
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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
December 31 2010 08:55 GMT
#36
Sorry, I generally read all the OP before posting, but couldn't avoid the temptation this time.
From now on, I am going to call Flamewheel as SHITWHEEL (capitalized like E-SPORTS) from now on xD
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Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
December 31 2010 09:08 GMT
#37
I loled at shitweel, I must be a terrible person.

Oh well if Jaedong is out I must go with

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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
December 31 2010 09:14 GMT
#38
I don't think that anyone winning this starleague will be a fluke though,because no matter how one looks at it, Flash and JD got eliminated fair and square

and yeah.... GO STORK and KAL, protoss FTW!!!! XD
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Elevators
Profile Joined March 2010
United States56 Posts
December 31 2010 09:35 GMT
#39
Seriously wtf... have Flash and Jaedong been secretly playing SC2 or something? It's hard to believe that both could be out in the Ro16. @_@
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FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
December 31 2010 09:41 GMT
#40
LEGEND OF THE FALL!!! Awwww yeeaaahhh. This OSL is pretty much Stork's to lose.

I lol'ed at shitwheel hahahahaha
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 09:46:54
December 31 2010 09:45 GMT
#41
Why does (P)Stork need to prove himself against players who can't beat (Z)HoGiL and (Z)Hyuk? Sounds like Flash and Jaedong aren't as good as previous tournaments - otherwise they would have qualified to the Ro8. Jaedongs game against Hogil (Hogil with a whopping barely-30%-ZvZ) was so confusing, I still don't know what that game is. That's 2010 Jaedong for you. So Stork has every right to win the gold and best of luck to Flash & Jaedong in the OSL qualifiers, LOL ^^ Stork will wait for you unless you run into (T)Classic or (T)Ssak again
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meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
December 31 2010 10:20 GMT
#42
IN STORK I BELIEVE!
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god_forbids
Profile Joined October 2010
United States111 Posts
December 31 2010 10:22 GMT
#43
On December 31 2010 18:35 Elevators wrote:
Seriously wtf... have Flash and Jaedong been secretly playing SC2 or something? It's hard to believe that both could be out in the Ro16. @_@


My thoughts exactly. I'll bet they're tired of watching BW has-beens take home 100 million won while they battle just as hard for "worthless" titles and ELO. Say what you want but GOM is using a mighty big carrot to get the best players in their tourney and so far it seems to be working.

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xlat
Profile Joined August 2010
176 Posts
December 31 2010 10:50 GMT
#44
I cried when Jaedong lost to Hogil.. I wanted this OSL to be his revenge on Flash - a final stand before sometimes in the future leaving for sc2 ( I can hope, can't I? )

But Flash also getting knocked out actually made JDs loss easier to live with.

evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
December 31 2010 11:01 GMT
#45
stork don't choke!!
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33363 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 11:12:55
December 31 2010 11:08 GMT
#46
On December 31 2010 19:22 god_forbids wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 18:35 Elevators wrote:
Seriously wtf... have Flash and Jaedong been secretly playing SC2 or something? It's hard to believe that both could be out in the Ro16. @_@


My thoughts exactly. I'll bet they're tired of watching BW has-beens take home 100 million won while they battle just as hard for "worthless" titles and ELO. Say what you want but GOM is using a mighty big carrot to get the best players in their tourney and so far it seems to be working.

User was warned for this post


To the mod who warned: did you even read the original post? The quotation marks are there because it's referring to something Milkis wrote in his article -___-. Hell, even without that, it's a perfectly valid post -_-
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Profile Joined February 2010
Cape Verde111 Posts
December 31 2010 11:23 GMT
#47
On December 31 2010 15:43 Lightwip wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I disagree with you about the SL win being something less now. It's certainly not a Casy or a July win, and there really aren't any SL winners that aren't really good players in good form. Flash and Jaedong lost in a stupid fashion, so why would they deserve the win? They might have done the same thing against the eventual winner.

Besides, Kal beat Flash. Not in a series, but still.


and Stork beat JD
...
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
December 31 2010 11:42 GMT
#48
Loved the TL Building piece. I also liked the angle of Milkis' article. The whole "to be the best you must beat the best" theory is a reasonable argument, but it's kinda hard to beat the best when the best aren't playing like they're the best.

Whether this OSL's winner is worthy or not, I still like the fact that it's going to be somebody other than Leessang, and more importantly, there's a really good chance it will be a Toss winner (it's been too long between drinks).
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5552 Posts
December 31 2010 11:45 GMT
#49
I want Kal to win this. I'm a fan of his ever since I've watched his Arena MSL games two years ago. And he's really passionate about BW, he doesn't hide his emotions. Wouldn't be surprised if he dedicated the win to Flash, who saved his life. ^____^V KAL HWAITING!!!

Stork wouldn't be bad either. Legend of the Fall and all that.
Nogardeci89
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States113 Posts
December 31 2010 11:57 GMT
#50
Man i love how i just got spoiled page one of TL :/
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
December 31 2010 12:13 GMT
#51
On December 31 2010 20:57 Nogardeci89 wrote:
Man i love how i just got spoiled page one of TL :/


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Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9500 Posts
December 31 2010 12:23 GMT
#52
JD looked so crushed when he lost.. I was really sad for him.

Nice article! Stork fighting~
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
December 31 2010 12:57 GMT
#53
Very well written!
I guess I'd have to agree about the lost opportunity for players to take down JD/Flash in an epic OSL run...
If you look at it that way, this could become one of those fluky starleagues where you look back and say: how'd that guy win it all again?
Hopefully not! Really wish we'll still see some epic BW!
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Ambasa
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States29 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 13:42:12
December 31 2010 13:22 GMT
#54
On December 31 2010 19:22 god_forbids wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 18:35 Elevators wrote:
Seriously wtf... have Flash and Jaedong been secretly playing SC2 or something? It's hard to believe that both could be out in the Ro16. @_@


My thoughts exactly. I'll bet they're tired of watching BW has-beens take home 100 million won while they battle just as hard for "worthless" titles and ELO. Say what you want but GOM is using a mighty big carrot to get the best players in their tourney and so far it seems to be working.

User was warned for this post


Why would they switch to SC2 when SC2 isn't growing at all in Korea o.o; Also the 100 million won is only for the GSLs that's what, 3 times a year or something? (it was just run 3 times in a row this year to determine code A/S). Finally, note that 100 million won is only 1/4th of Flash's BW salary and 1/2 of Jaedongs ~_~

Considering SC2 teams are getting sponsorships from tiny chicken restaurants looking to become popular and.... BW teams are hosted by major corporations, I dunno why any top BW player will switch. "Mighty Big Carrot" is pretty ignorant there when it's not a carrot at all when SC2 hasn't grown at all in Korea since it started, in fact hype has been dying down and it'll probably collapse once D3 comes out.




Also always glad to see people who actually think this Starleague is even halfway worthwhile. This is the first Starleague where I'd be pissed off with an upset, rather than an upset being a funny thing.

Also hilarious to see people who think Jaedong and Flash losing in group stages via flukes is worth it versus BOXs... how delusional is that
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Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
December 31 2010 13:46 GMT
#55
OSL Day 1 spoiler below!

+ Show Spoiler +

Stork must read your OSL write-ups, guys.

He's onto you.

- Who do you want to meet in the Ro4
▲ To be honest, I want to face (Z)Modesty, but playing (P)Kal wouldn't be bad either. During the last Starleague, I beat a Protoss in the Ro4 to make the finals. Plus, if I am gonna advance anyway, I'd rather do it by beating out a stronger opponent. I hope a strong player advances so that I don't hear anybody saying 'Blah won because (Z)Jaedong and (T)Flash were knocked out early.'


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Renkaoru
Profile Joined October 2010
390 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 14:02:37
December 31 2010 13:55 GMT
#56
On December 31 2010 19:22 god_forbids wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 18:35 Elevators wrote:
Seriously wtf... have Flash and Jaedong been secretly playing SC2 or something? It's hard to believe that both could be out in the Ro16. @_@


My thoughts exactly. I'll bet they're tired of watching BW has-beens take home 100 million won while they battle just as hard for "worthless" titles and ELO. Say what you want but GOM is using a mighty big carrot to get the best players in their tourney and so far it seems to be working.

User was warned for this post


I don't see the need to insert insinuations about SC2 into this topic. It derails the discussion and adds nothing. Also, I'm willing to bet that 99% of the posters in this topic will not classify Starleague titles as worthless, even in the "kidding" sense.

On the other hand, I kinda agree that Stork/Kal should have been the ones to beat Flash/Jaedong out of the OSL. Would have been sweeter that way. And looking at how they're rolling right now, I don't see a reason why they would not be able to do it. Especially Stork.

Edit: Failquote
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xenom00t
Profile Joined February 2009
United States162 Posts
December 31 2010 14:18 GMT
#57
man that sucks to hear as a jaedong fan. but at least it will give someone else a chance to win, even if they have an asterisk by their name
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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
December 31 2010 14:57 GMT
#58
On December 31 2010 16:35 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote:
Which other Terran had to play against Protoss on Aztec and Zerg on Icarus? Being eliminated was entirely within reason. Expect him to lose even more games in Winners League as well as he's forced to play on those maps. Honestly, though, rumors of God's death are greatly exaggerated.


Aztec? Okay, really bad luck, Kal's good enough that Flash losing seems entirely "reasonable". But Icarus, while bad for Terran, isn't that bad, and Hyuk usually is "that bad" against Terran - Flash losing that game was ridiculous. Even accepting the loss to Kal, Flash should have gone 2-1 in the group, thus tiebreakers. Obviously that's not what actually happened.

To actually answer your question though: Sea. But he played Stork (50/50) and Shine (Shine's better in that MU right now, and def. better than Hyuk) - and lost his TvT to Mind.
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Sanguinarius
Profile Joined January 2010
United States3427 Posts
December 31 2010 15:18 GMT
#59
wowow. Both flash and JD out. Thats insane.

Defiantly killed my liquibetting. However now I think Stork really have a solid shot at this title. That would be really good for him.

Oh, and thanks for the article. I really enjoy reading these.
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cocoa_sg
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Singapore296 Posts
December 31 2010 15:27 GMT
#60
What an epic writeup, Waxxy! =D MY LIFE FOR AIUR... Song Byung Goo will end his silver streak (well, he did win an OSL, or was it a MSL?)

Until then, here is to hoping for more epic BW matches, and other stars to take up the mantle of the once-mighty Flash and Jaedong trio *evil cackle*! =3
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Bwenjarin Raffrack
Profile Joined November 2008
United States322 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 16:07:48
December 31 2010 16:00 GMT
#61
On December 31 2010 23:57 Musoeun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 16:35 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote:
Which other Terran had to play against Protoss on Aztec and Zerg on Icarus? Being eliminated was entirely within reason. Expect him to lose even more games in Winners League as well as he's forced to play on those maps. Honestly, though, rumors of God's death are greatly exaggerated.


Aztec? Okay, really bad luck, Kal's good enough that Flash losing seems entirely "reasonable". But Icarus, while bad for Terran, isn't that bad, and Hyuk usually is "that bad" against Terran - Flash losing that game was ridiculous. Even accepting the loss to Kal, Flash should have gone 2-1 in the group, thus tiebreakers. Obviously that's not what actually happened.

To actually answer your question though: Sea. But he played Stork (50/50) and Shine (Shine's better in that MU right now, and def. better than Hyuk) - and lost his TvT to Mind.


Icarus's ZvT at this point is about comparable to Polaris Rhapsody's TvZ, for all the vitriol that that produced last season, even worse if you consider the usual T>Z baseline. You can say that Flash had no need to throw the dice on an 8rax against Hyuk, and I'd agree from looking at how it turned out and on basic principle. But from Flash's perspective, playing against Action in the practice room, using a strategy that he hadn't employed in a while that had a pretty darn good chance of success probably seemed like a decent idea at the time.

Wouldn't be the first time he overthought himself into a loss.
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omg.deus
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Korea (South)150 Posts
December 31 2010 16:35 GMT
#62
it is shocking that JD and Flash are out of the OSL but I don't think it should be. People are just so used to them dominating that they forget that they are playing in a pool of the best players in the world who the majority still loses a large chunk of their games. People aren't giving enough credit to the non-S class players. To even make it to the ro8 OSL you have to be pretty amazingly out of this world at starcraft. They just don't stand out because we are focused on a few players who are just slightly more amazingly out of this world at starcraft.
GoAudio
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden400 Posts
December 31 2010 16:38 GMT
#63
WOW so sad :<
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AJMcSpiffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 17:01:59
December 31 2010 16:59 GMT
#64
Wow, I can't believe Jaedong and Flash are both out Definitely doesn't mean the tournament wont be exciting and it could still come down to some nail-biting finals.
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TrueRedemption
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States313 Posts
December 31 2010 17:07 GMT
#65
Great work guys, awesome writeup.
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psychopat
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada417 Posts
December 31 2010 17:11 GMT
#66
lol at the thread title. Perfect follow-up to the interview where Jaedong jokingly said he was gay...

Thanks for the write-up. I don't get to follow as much as I used to so this is a quick way to stay up-to-date.
[Azn]Nada
Profile Joined April 2009
United States275 Posts
December 31 2010 17:20 GMT
#67
LOL "SHITWHEEL" HAHAHAHAH
man that was a completely badass write-up. Thank you guys SO MUCH!
RyuChus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada442 Posts
December 31 2010 17:20 GMT
#68
Flash and Jaedong. Those were some painful games to watch, unfortunately. Anyways... STORK!!!! Dinotoss!
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RYZmooN
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada575 Posts
December 31 2010 17:54 GMT
#69
Stork vs Fantasy for final!
How do u doto?
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
December 31 2010 18:14 GMT
#70
This title made me laugh so hard.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 18:18:57
December 31 2010 18:18 GMT
#71
Initially I laughed.
Then I kept laughing.
Then I realized Wax was pretty prophetic.

+ Show Spoiler +
Bitch you asked for it.
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zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
December 31 2010 18:32 GMT
#72
Fantasy vs Stork Finals will surely not disappoint.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 06:19:09
December 31 2010 18:43 GMT
#73
On December 31 2010 20:08 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2010 19:22 god_forbids wrote:
On December 31 2010 18:35 Elevators wrote:
Seriously wtf... have Flash and Jaedong been secretly playing SC2 or something? It's hard to believe that both could be out in the Ro16. @_@


My thoughts exactly. I'll bet they're tired of watching BW has-beens take home 100 million won while they battle just as hard for "worthless" titles and ELO. Say what you want but GOM is using a mighty big carrot to get the best players in their tourney and so far it seems to be working.

User was warned for this post


To the mod who warned: did you even read the original post? The quotation marks are there because it's referring to something Milkis wrote in his article -___-. Hell, even without that, it's a perfectly valid post -_-

My fault entirely. Apologies to Elevators, I rushed to judgment on a report and had not read the news story.

edit: *Apologies to god_forbids, can't seem to get much straight in this thread can I.
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TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
December 31 2010 19:01 GMT
#74
Reality. Hopefully some of the games will be good though, so i'm pumped.
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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
December 31 2010 19:05 GMT
#75
Really? Stork winning will be a fluke? We all knew Stork had the potential of getting to the finals every starleague, yet just because Jaedong and Flash got knocked out at the ro16 because of their failure, you end up calling Stork's win a fluke? If you put it that way then how many fluke victories have there been in the last 2 years? If a player who wins gold didn't beat jaedong or flash is counted as a fluke victory, then theres been a lot of flukes victories in the history of starcraft. Yes, we missed potentially epic games, but look at how some jaedong v flash games finals went, some were really disappointing. If you want to blame people, you should go blame jaedong and flash for failing at the ro16.
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Z3kk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4099 Posts
December 31 2010 21:25 GMT
#76
I also disagree with Milkis's opinion that the title is worthless merely because Flash and Jaedong got knocked out... There is no way all of those OSLs have been "fluke wins" because the winner didn't defeat Flash and/or JD on the way to the title. It's quite insulting to many players, really... >n<

If Stork or any other player wins, it will be perfectly legitimate and well-deserved. (unless, for some reason, every single one of his opponents plays like garbage, which won't happen o.e)
Failure is not falling down over and over again. Failure is refusing to get back up.
MeteorRise
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada611 Posts
December 31 2010 21:40 GMT
#77
STORK FOR GOLD. OMFG YES.
Elegance, in all things.
Retgery
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-31 21:55:53
December 31 2010 21:55 GMT
#78
This is Storks year. ALL THE WAY BUDDY!
Fall down 7 times, stand up 8.
Cade
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1420 Posts
December 31 2010 22:29 GMT
#79
Excellent writeup, was a great read =D Thanks!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10151 Posts
December 31 2010 22:35 GMT
#80
On December 31 2010 15:04 seRapH wrote:
Wow what a title lol
555/5

Only a good title for you... my name means absolutely nothing now lol.

SONG BYONG GOO!!!!! Stork will actually win a gold now!!! :D. he alreayd has, i mean that he won't get another silver =P

Fantasy/Clam/Kal/(insert picture of stork eating fish)
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
December 31 2010 22:38 GMT
#81
Probably the worst ro8 I've ever seen for an OSL.... shocking
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
December 31 2010 23:39 GMT
#82
...where Leta played his teammate Type-B (now disgraced and retired for his involvement in the match-fixing scandal) in semi-finals.

that was quarterfinals (the final was yarnc vs jd)

great write up, as usual
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jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
January 01 2011 00:00 GMT
#83
+ Show Spoiler +
My coffee sits on my table. Neglected, ignored, abandoned. My focus was on my computer monitor. There, frozen on the screen is a faint figure. Clad in blue and white, he gazes into the heavens. In ages long past he fought hard, showed tremendous talent, skill, and determination but he fell short. He was demolished and crushed. But now the titans of old have fallen. There is nothing left standing in his path to victory. His ascension is arriving.
COMING SOON: THE YEAR OF THE STORK
BRACE FOR CARNAGE
KimchiFriedRice
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada237 Posts
January 01 2011 00:10 GMT
#84
Thanks guys for the article.
Stork vs Fanta wouldn't be a bad OSL at all :DD

Only problem is... Kal is still a contender
I will shove Kimchi up your ass and watch you writhe in pain.
Nazza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1654 Posts
January 01 2011 00:23 GMT
#85
3/4 news is now BW.
GO BW GO!
No one ever remembers second place, eh? eh? GIVE ME COMMAND
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
January 01 2011 00:49 GMT
#86
this will be storks second OSL, i believe!

go stork!

and happy new year for everyone on TL!

BW is back
legendre20
Profile Joined November 2010
United States316 Posts
January 01 2011 01:30 GMT
#87
Great write up! GO FANTASY!! Although I gotta say I'm pullin' for Stork as well, would be nice to see him win it. He's playing at the top of his game!
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Quasimoto3000
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States471 Posts
January 01 2011 01:31 GMT
#88
gah, only one person left for me to root for

SONG BYUNG GOO! SONG BYUNG GOO! SONG BYUNG GOO!
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Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-01 03:04:16
January 01 2011 02:08 GMT
#89
Nize write up. Milkis got some serious balls making his topic "Best OSL ever"

On January 01 2011 09:10 KimchiFriedRice wrote:
Thanks guys for the article.
Stork vs Fanta wouldn't be a bad OSL at all :DD

Only problem is... Kal is still a contender


Not a problem in my eyes!
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Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-01 03:03:22
January 01 2011 03:02 GMT
#90
double post fail
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Ambasa
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States29 Posts
January 01 2011 03:38 GMT
#91
On January 01 2011 04:05 MuffinDude wrote:
Really? Stork winning will be a fluke? We all knew Stork had the potential of getting to the finals every starleague, yet just because Jaedong and Flash got knocked out at the ro16 because of their failure, you end up calling Stork's win a fluke? If you put it that way then how many fluke victories have there been in the last 2 years? If a player who wins gold didn't beat jaedong or flash is counted as a fluke victory, then theres been a lot of flukes victories in the history of starcraft. Yes, we missed potentially epic games, but look at how some jaedong v flash games finals went, some were really disappointing. If you want to blame people, you should go blame jaedong and flash for failing at the ro16.


On January 01 2011 06:25 Z3kk wrote:
I also disagree with Milkis's opinion that the title is worthless merely because Flash and Jaedong got knocked out... There is no way all of those OSLs have been "fluke wins" because the winner didn't defeat Flash and/or JD on the way to the title. It's quite insulting to many players, really... >n<

If Stork or any other player wins, it will be perfectly legitimate and well-deserved. (unless, for some reason, every single one of his opponents plays like garbage, which won't happen o.e)


I understand people can disagree with the article -- but honestly, the best reason you can come up with is "well then all the previous starleague winners are flukes?" then honestly I don't think you've read the article at all. Read more carefully please because I don't think I've done that bad of a job writing. I purposely did word the article harshly but don't expect this OSL to go down in the history books as having some epic matchmaking or some epic upsets -- it's just an OSL filled with 2nd and 3rd tier players with no opportunity to prove themselves.
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Lightningbullet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States507 Posts
January 01 2011 06:09 GMT
#92
so uhhh (T)Flash got hyuked and JD got fucked by (T)HiyA...again. :o
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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-01 11:01:56
January 01 2011 10:28 GMT
#93
On January 01 2011 12:38 Ambasa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2011 04:05 MuffinDude wrote:
Really? Stork winning will be a fluke? We all knew Stork had the potential of getting to the finals every starleague, yet just because Jaedong and Flash got knocked out at the ro16 because of their failure, you end up calling Stork's win a fluke? If you put it that way then how many fluke victories have there been in the last 2 years? If a player who wins gold didn't beat jaedong or flash is counted as a fluke victory, then theres been a lot of flukes victories in the history of starcraft. Yes, we missed potentially epic games, but look at how some jaedong v flash games finals went, some were really disappointing. If you want to blame people, you should go blame jaedong and flash for failing at the ro16.


Show nested quote +
On January 01 2011 06:25 Z3kk wrote:
I also disagree with Milkis's opinion that the title is worthless merely because Flash and Jaedong got knocked out... There is no way all of those OSLs have been "fluke wins" because the winner didn't defeat Flash and/or JD on the way to the title. It's quite insulting to many players, really... >n<

If Stork or any other player wins, it will be perfectly legitimate and well-deserved. (unless, for some reason, every single one of his opponents plays like garbage, which won't happen o.e)


I understand people can disagree with the article -- but honestly, the best reason you can come up with is "well then all the previous starleague winners are flukes?" then honestly I don't think you've read the article at all. Read more carefully please because I don't think I've done that bad of a job writing. I purposely did word the article harshly but don't expect this OSL to go down in the history books as having some epic matchmaking or some epic upsets -- it's just an OSL filled with 2nd and 3rd tier players with no opportunity to prove themselves.

You wrote it? Unless you're milkis, then you're smoking pot. But you didn't do a bad job of writing, its the message you're trying to convey is bad, saying that stork, fantasy, mind are all 2nd and 3rd tier players and the only 1st tier players are flash and jaedong is absolute bull.

Jaedong and flash getting knocked out in ro16 isn't a huge upset? And I think a fantasy v stork final would be an epic finals, a rematch of incruit osl.
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
January 01 2011 14:13 GMT
#94
On January 01 2011 19:28 MuffinDude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2011 12:38 Ambasa wrote:
On January 01 2011 04:05 MuffinDude wrote:
Really? Stork winning will be a fluke? We all knew Stork had the potential of getting to the finals every starleague, yet just because Jaedong and Flash got knocked out at the ro16 because of their failure, you end up calling Stork's win a fluke? If you put it that way then how many fluke victories have there been in the last 2 years? If a player who wins gold didn't beat jaedong or flash is counted as a fluke victory, then theres been a lot of flukes victories in the history of starcraft. Yes, we missed potentially epic games, but look at how some jaedong v flash games finals went, some were really disappointing. If you want to blame people, you should go blame jaedong and flash for failing at the ro16.


On January 01 2011 06:25 Z3kk wrote:
I also disagree with Milkis's opinion that the title is worthless merely because Flash and Jaedong got knocked out... There is no way all of those OSLs have been "fluke wins" because the winner didn't defeat Flash and/or JD on the way to the title. It's quite insulting to many players, really... >n<

If Stork or any other player wins, it will be perfectly legitimate and well-deserved. (unless, for some reason, every single one of his opponents plays like garbage, which won't happen o.e)


I understand people can disagree with the article -- but honestly, the best reason you can come up with is "well then all the previous starleague winners are flukes?" then honestly I don't think you've read the article at all. Read more carefully please because I don't think I've done that bad of a job writing. I purposely did word the article harshly but don't expect this OSL to go down in the history books as having some epic matchmaking or some epic upsets -- it's just an OSL filled with 2nd and 3rd tier players with no opportunity to prove themselves.

You wrote it? Unless you're milkis, then you're smoking pot. But you didn't do a bad job of writing, its the message you're trying to convey is bad, saying that stork, fantasy, mind are all 2nd and 3rd tier players and the only 1st tier players are flash and jaedong is absolute bull.

Jaedong and flash getting knocked out in ro16 isn't a huge upset? And I think a fantasy v stork final would be an epic finals, a rematch of incruit osl.


Considering your response (which was filled with utter strawmans) I dunno whether to take your response that "message being conveyed was bad" seriously since I question if you even understood the message.

Not sure how you can believe Stork (was) on the same level of play as Jaedong/Flash in the past year. Same with Fantasy -- Lee Ssang was, for the most part, on a different level. It wasn't only until recently Jaedong and Flash slipped in their game, and I have utmost confidence in both players that they will come back and stay ahead of the game once again. If you don't believe that, "Well".

RO16 at least in OSL doesn't mean much considering it's group stages. Jaedong vs Baby RO16 is a huge upset since Baby absolutely murdered Jaedong. I think the best games of the OSL come at the single elimination stage (BO8 and onwards) and I feel bad that Stork, Fantasy, etc won't be able to show off what they may have actually been able to do -- which is take down Lee Ssang. I feel especially bad for Stork who I believe could take down Flash very potentially in a BO5. That would have been an amazing upset. If you think Flash and Jaedong losing in the RO16 will make this OSL any interesting then I dunno what to say, since I believe this OSL will be absolutely rubbish.

o and I'm Ambasa, not sure why people have such a hard time believing that lol
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8011 Posts
January 01 2011 20:47 GMT
#95
JAEDONG WHY???
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Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
January 01 2011 21:59 GMT
#96
As long as Stork, Fantasy, or Kal faces one another in the finals, then this OSL will be exciting and the win will be meaningful. Just not as meaningful as when Bisu wins the MSL by going through Stork and raping Jaedong at the finals.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-01 22:52:44
January 01 2011 22:41 GMT
#97
On January 01 2011 23:13 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2011 19:28 MuffinDude wrote:
On January 01 2011 12:38 Ambasa wrote:
On January 01 2011 04:05 MuffinDude wrote:
Really? Stork winning will be a fluke? We all knew Stork had the potential of getting to the finals every starleague, yet just because Jaedong and Flash got knocked out at the ro16 because of their failure, you end up calling Stork's win a fluke? If you put it that way then how many fluke victories have there been in the last 2 years? If a player who wins gold didn't beat jaedong or flash is counted as a fluke victory, then theres been a lot of flukes victories in the history of starcraft. Yes, we missed potentially epic games, but look at how some jaedong v flash games finals went, some were really disappointing. If you want to blame people, you should go blame jaedong and flash for failing at the ro16.


On January 01 2011 06:25 Z3kk wrote:
I also disagree with Milkis's opinion that the title is worthless merely because Flash and Jaedong got knocked out... There is no way all of those OSLs have been "fluke wins" because the winner didn't defeat Flash and/or JD on the way to the title. It's quite insulting to many players, really... >n<

If Stork or any other player wins, it will be perfectly legitimate and well-deserved. (unless, for some reason, every single one of his opponents plays like garbage, which won't happen o.e)


I understand people can disagree with the article -- but honestly, the best reason you can come up with is "well then all the previous starleague winners are flukes?" then honestly I don't think you've read the article at all. Read more carefully please because I don't think I've done that bad of a job writing. I purposely did word the article harshly but don't expect this OSL to go down in the history books as having some epic matchmaking or some epic upsets -- it's just an OSL filled with 2nd and 3rd tier players with no opportunity to prove themselves.

You wrote it? Unless you're milkis, then you're smoking pot. But you didn't do a bad job of writing, its the message you're trying to convey is bad, saying that stork, fantasy, mind are all 2nd and 3rd tier players and the only 1st tier players are flash and jaedong is absolute bull.

Jaedong and flash getting knocked out in ro16 isn't a huge upset? And I think a fantasy v stork final would be an epic finals, a rematch of incruit osl.


Considering your response (which was filled with utter strawmans) I dunno whether to take your response that "message being conveyed was bad" seriously since I question if you even understood the message.

Not sure how you can believe Stork (was) on the same level of play as Jaedong/Flash in the past year. Same with Fantasy -- Lee Ssang was, for the most part, on a different level. It wasn't only until recently Jaedong and Flash slipped in their game, and I have utmost confidence in both players that they will come back and stay ahead of the game once again. If you don't believe that, "Well".

RO16 at least in OSL doesn't mean much considering it's group stages. Jaedong vs Baby RO16 is a huge upset since Baby absolutely murdered Jaedong. I think the best games of the OSL come at the single elimination stage (BO8 and onwards) and I feel bad that Stork, Fantasy, etc won't be able to show off what they may have actually been able to do -- which is take down Lee Ssang. I feel especially bad for Stork who I believe could take down Flash very potentially in a BO5. That would have been an amazing upset. If you think Flash and Jaedong losing in the RO16 will make this OSL any interesting then I dunno what to say, since I believe this OSL will be absolutely rubbish.

o and I'm Ambasa, not sure why people have such a hard time believing that lol

Its hard to believe cause why would you need two accounts -_-.

Well. The problem is, since Stork has a chance of beating Jaedong and Flash in a BO5, Stork winning would not really count as a upset. Upsets only have when the someone who is predicted to have no chance of winning wins. Like hogil > jaedong was an upset.

The problem with your idea of perfect starcraft is to beat Flash and Jaedong, which is complete bull. As I said, sure playing against Flash and Jaedong might result to great games, but that is not always the case. Flash v stork finals and many disappointing flash v jaedong series goes on to prove that a match between the top two players will not always result in a great play. I've also seen plenty of good games in the ro16. And flash and jaedong losing in the ro16 might actually make this more interesting, as flash and jaedong could simply play one sided games until they reach the finals, which to me is not very interesting.

The biggest problem is this:
On January 01 2011 12:38 Ambasa wrote:
it's just an OSL filled with 2nd and 3rd tier players with no opportunity to prove themselves.

This makes it sound as if no one can play on the level of Jaedong and Flash and that only Jaedong and Flash are counted as 1st tier players. You need to stop idolizing jaedong and flash and start accepting more progamers.

If you don't think games played by other progamers are interesting, then you're not properly enjoying bw.
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rolypoly
Profile Joined March 2009
20 Posts
January 02 2011 02:30 GMT
#98
still waiting for videos for other matches..
Starcraft
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 03:38:05
January 02 2011 03:37 GMT
#99
On January 02 2011 07:41 MuffinDude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2011 23:13 Milkis wrote:
On January 01 2011 19:28 MuffinDude wrote:
On January 01 2011 12:38 Ambasa wrote:
On January 01 2011 04:05 MuffinDude wrote:
Really? Stork winning will be a fluke? We all knew Stork had the potential of getting to the finals every starleague, yet just because Jaedong and Flash got knocked out at the ro16 because of their failure, you end up calling Stork's win a fluke? If you put it that way then how many fluke victories have there been in the last 2 years? If a player who wins gold didn't beat jaedong or flash is counted as a fluke victory, then theres been a lot of flukes victories in the history of starcraft. Yes, we missed potentially epic games, but look at how some jaedong v flash games finals went, some were really disappointing. If you want to blame people, you should go blame jaedong and flash for failing at the ro16.


On January 01 2011 06:25 Z3kk wrote:
I also disagree with Milkis's opinion that the title is worthless merely because Flash and Jaedong got knocked out... There is no way all of those OSLs have been "fluke wins" because the winner didn't defeat Flash and/or JD on the way to the title. It's quite insulting to many players, really... >n<

If Stork or any other player wins, it will be perfectly legitimate and well-deserved. (unless, for some reason, every single one of his opponents plays like garbage, which won't happen o.e)


I understand people can disagree with the article -- but honestly, the best reason you can come up with is "well then all the previous starleague winners are flukes?" then honestly I don't think you've read the article at all. Read more carefully please because I don't think I've done that bad of a job writing. I purposely did word the article harshly but don't expect this OSL to go down in the history books as having some epic matchmaking or some epic upsets -- it's just an OSL filled with 2nd and 3rd tier players with no opportunity to prove themselves.

You wrote it? Unless you're milkis, then you're smoking pot. But you didn't do a bad job of writing, its the message you're trying to convey is bad, saying that stork, fantasy, mind are all 2nd and 3rd tier players and the only 1st tier players are flash and jaedong is absolute bull.

Jaedong and flash getting knocked out in ro16 isn't a huge upset? And I think a fantasy v stork final would be an epic finals, a rematch of incruit osl.


Considering your response (which was filled with utter strawmans) I dunno whether to take your response that "message being conveyed was bad" seriously since I question if you even understood the message.

Not sure how you can believe Stork (was) on the same level of play as Jaedong/Flash in the past year. Same with Fantasy -- Lee Ssang was, for the most part, on a different level. It wasn't only until recently Jaedong and Flash slipped in their game, and I have utmost confidence in both players that they will come back and stay ahead of the game once again. If you don't believe that, "Well".

RO16 at least in OSL doesn't mean much considering it's group stages. Jaedong vs Baby RO16 is a huge upset since Baby absolutely murdered Jaedong. I think the best games of the OSL come at the single elimination stage (BO8 and onwards) and I feel bad that Stork, Fantasy, etc won't be able to show off what they may have actually been able to do -- which is take down Lee Ssang. I feel especially bad for Stork who I believe could take down Flash very potentially in a BO5. That would have been an amazing upset. If you think Flash and Jaedong losing in the RO16 will make this OSL any interesting then I dunno what to say, since I believe this OSL will be absolutely rubbish.

o and I'm Ambasa, not sure why people have such a hard time believing that lol

Its hard to believe cause why would you need two accounts -_-.

Well. The problem is, since Stork has a chance of beating Jaedong and Flash in a BO5, Stork winning would not really count as a upset. Upsets only have when the someone who is predicted to have no chance of winning wins. Like hogil > jaedong was an upset.

The problem with your idea of perfect starcraft is to beat Flash and Jaedong, which is complete bull. As I said, sure playing against Flash and Jaedong might result to great games, but that is not always the case. Flash v stork finals and many disappointing flash v jaedong series goes on to prove that a match between the top two players will not always result in a great play. I've also seen plenty of good games in the ro16. And flash and jaedong losing in the ro16 might actually make this more interesting, as flash and jaedong could simply play one sided games until they reach the finals, which to me is not very interesting.

The biggest problem is this:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2011 12:38 Ambasa wrote:
it's just an OSL filled with 2nd and 3rd tier players with no opportunity to prove themselves.

This makes it sound as if no one can play on the level of Jaedong and Flash and that only Jaedong and Flash are counted as 1st tier players. You need to stop idolizing jaedong and flash and start accepting more progamers.

If you don't think games played by other progamers are interesting, then you're not properly enjoying bw.


At this point, I don't think you're going to understand, so I'm going to make it as simple as possible and hope that you get it.

- Good Starcraft players beating Great Starcraft players in epic games makes for not "good" starcraft, but amazing starcraft (Savior 0:3 Bisu)
- All the Starcraft players considered "Great" that would allow this to happen are gone.
- There's no magical story that can happen in this OSL, which makes it boring and makes the title rather empty, because they gained their title through a certain amount of luck (Jaedong and Flash having off days and getting eliminated, with little of it have to do with their own doing)

Based on this you manage to make ridiculous implications about how I enjoy starcraft and telling me "i'm not properly enjoying bw". Stop making ridiculous assumptions and maybe you'll learn that there is more to the game than what you actually believe.

Accusing me of Idolizing players? The hell, is everyone you talk to mindless fanboys who can't think at all?
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
January 02 2011 04:49 GMT
#100
On January 02 2011 12:37 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2011 07:41 MuffinDude wrote:
On January 01 2011 23:13 Milkis wrote:
On January 01 2011 19:28 MuffinDude wrote:
On January 01 2011 12:38 Ambasa wrote:
On January 01 2011 04:05 MuffinDude wrote:
Really? Stork winning will be a fluke? We all knew Stork had the potential of getting to the finals every starleague, yet just because Jaedong and Flash got knocked out at the ro16 because of their failure, you end up calling Stork's win a fluke? If you put it that way then how many fluke victories have there been in the last 2 years? If a player who wins gold didn't beat jaedong or flash is counted as a fluke victory, then theres been a lot of flukes victories in the history of starcraft. Yes, we missed potentially epic games, but look at how some jaedong v flash games finals went, some were really disappointing. If you want to blame people, you should go blame jaedong and flash for failing at the ro16.


On January 01 2011 06:25 Z3kk wrote:
I also disagree with Milkis's opinion that the title is worthless merely because Flash and Jaedong got knocked out... There is no way all of those OSLs have been "fluke wins" because the winner didn't defeat Flash and/or JD on the way to the title. It's quite insulting to many players, really... >n<

If Stork or any other player wins, it will be perfectly legitimate and well-deserved. (unless, for some reason, every single one of his opponents plays like garbage, which won't happen o.e)


I understand people can disagree with the article -- but honestly, the best reason you can come up with is "well then all the previous starleague winners are flukes?" then honestly I don't think you've read the article at all. Read more carefully please because I don't think I've done that bad of a job writing. I purposely did word the article harshly but don't expect this OSL to go down in the history books as having some epic matchmaking or some epic upsets -- it's just an OSL filled with 2nd and 3rd tier players with no opportunity to prove themselves.

You wrote it? Unless you're milkis, then you're smoking pot. But you didn't do a bad job of writing, its the message you're trying to convey is bad, saying that stork, fantasy, mind are all 2nd and 3rd tier players and the only 1st tier players are flash and jaedong is absolute bull.

Jaedong and flash getting knocked out in ro16 isn't a huge upset? And I think a fantasy v stork final would be an epic finals, a rematch of incruit osl.


Considering your response (which was filled with utter strawmans) I dunno whether to take your response that "message being conveyed was bad" seriously since I question if you even understood the message.

Not sure how you can believe Stork (was) on the same level of play as Jaedong/Flash in the past year. Same with Fantasy -- Lee Ssang was, for the most part, on a different level. It wasn't only until recently Jaedong and Flash slipped in their game, and I have utmost confidence in both players that they will come back and stay ahead of the game once again. If you don't believe that, "Well".

RO16 at least in OSL doesn't mean much considering it's group stages. Jaedong vs Baby RO16 is a huge upset since Baby absolutely murdered Jaedong. I think the best games of the OSL come at the single elimination stage (BO8 and onwards) and I feel bad that Stork, Fantasy, etc won't be able to show off what they may have actually been able to do -- which is take down Lee Ssang. I feel especially bad for Stork who I believe could take down Flash very potentially in a BO5. That would have been an amazing upset. If you think Flash and Jaedong losing in the RO16 will make this OSL any interesting then I dunno what to say, since I believe this OSL will be absolutely rubbish.

o and I'm Ambasa, not sure why people have such a hard time believing that lol

Its hard to believe cause why would you need two accounts -_-.

Well. The problem is, since Stork has a chance of beating Jaedong and Flash in a BO5, Stork winning would not really count as a upset. Upsets only have when the someone who is predicted to have no chance of winning wins. Like hogil > jaedong was an upset.

The problem with your idea of perfect starcraft is to beat Flash and Jaedong, which is complete bull. As I said, sure playing against Flash and Jaedong might result to great games, but that is not always the case. Flash v stork finals and many disappointing flash v jaedong series goes on to prove that a match between the top two players will not always result in a great play. I've also seen plenty of good games in the ro16. And flash and jaedong losing in the ro16 might actually make this more interesting, as flash and jaedong could simply play one sided games until they reach the finals, which to me is not very interesting.

The biggest problem is this:
On January 01 2011 12:38 Ambasa wrote:
it's just an OSL filled with 2nd and 3rd tier players with no opportunity to prove themselves.

This makes it sound as if no one can play on the level of Jaedong and Flash and that only Jaedong and Flash are counted as 1st tier players. You need to stop idolizing jaedong and flash and start accepting more progamers.

If you don't think games played by other progamers are interesting, then you're not properly enjoying bw.


At this point, I don't think you're going to understand, so I'm going to make it as simple as possible and hope that you get it.

- Good Starcraft players beating Great Starcraft players in epic games makes for not "good" starcraft, but amazing starcraft (Savior 0:3 Bisu)
- All the Starcraft players considered "Great" that would allow this to happen are gone.
- There's no magical story that can happen in this OSL, which makes it boring and makes the title rather empty, because they gained their title through a certain amount of luck (Jaedong and Flash having off days and getting eliminated, with little of it have to do with their own doing)

Based on this you manage to make ridiculous implications about how I enjoy starcraft and telling me "i'm not properly enjoying bw". Stop making ridiculous assumptions and maybe you'll learn that there is more to the game than what you actually believe.

Accusing me of Idolizing players? The hell, is everyone you talk to mindless fanboys who can't think at all?

On your first point, that was bisu's first ever msl, royal roaders beating a legend is just epic. The games weren't the best games, it was remembered more because bisu used revolutionary pvz build and completely roflstomped savior. Honestly, it would of been a great series even if it wasn't against savior. Now, this osl has no royal road candidates, so a no-namer making a name for himself by beating a legend will not happen. So it doesn't really matter Jaedong and Flash are out. And when this usually happens, a lot of people usually call it upset, not epic. Only rarely do scrubs beating legends are counted as epic.

On your second point, "great" would not allow it to happen, as they should not lose to scrubs.

Your third point is why I'm accusing you of idolizing players, just because flash and jaedong were having off days and got knocked out, that doesn't mean the magic of OSL and MSL is gone. The whole MSL and OSL doesn't revolve around two players. Theres still 2 or 3 great players that the underdogs must face before they win the OSL.

My biggest point that you seem to fail to understand is that epic games don't always happen between or against "Great" players, in this case they would be Flash and Jaedong. Bisu v Stork final in the MSL was one of the closest finals in the history of starcraft, and that was quite a finals to watch. Now is Bisu's victory in the MSL a fluke victory because Jaedong couldn't even make it out of the qualifying rounds? No!

One finals that comes to mind that someone beat Flash or Jaedong to win the starleague is Effort v Flash. Now, that finals was absolute crap. Flash made a ton of mistake games 3,4, and 5 that he didn't make weeks before the finals. I wasn't the only one who questioned the legitimacy of Effort's victory over Flash, there were many people who thought that Flash made more mistakes than he normally did. The Flash v Jaedong finals weren't exactly the best finals either. They were hyped to no end yet they played out like a standard starleague finals.

I know you are upset that great players aren't in this starleague, but there are plenty of good players left in the osl, although there are also tons of scrubs mixed in them too. You just need to learn to accept that the potential of an epic game lies within every player instead of just disregarding them because they haven't made a name for themselves yet.
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Helluva
Profile Joined September 2010
United States651 Posts
January 02 2011 06:27 GMT
#101
Amazing article.
<3
sCriv
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom90 Posts
January 02 2011 17:57 GMT
#102
Although I'm a huge Jaedong fan, I'm kind of glad him and Flash are both out. The OSL title is now anyones to win and I think its going to make it even more exciting to watch after years of familiar faces in the finals.
WeedY
Profile Joined January 2007
Canada21 Posts
January 02 2011 18:05 GMT
#103
here is the 2008 finals VOD List. Stork vs fantasy.


Set 1 - Part 1/2 - You're watching it!
Set 1 - Part 2/2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzpBKr...
Set 2 - Part 1/3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiKkvi...
Set 2 - Part 2/3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa1hMS...
Set 2 - Part 3/3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nckpm5...
Set 3 - Part 1/2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEG0RM...
Set 3 - Part 2/2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T27IXR...
Set 4 - Part 1/1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihaSXY...
Set 5 - Part 1/3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QPB2q...
Set 5 - Part 2/3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzuzXl...
Set 5 - Part 3/3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOZB4q...
1998 player east
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
January 02 2011 18:29 GMT
#104
I was half-expecting Jaedong to say "RE?" in the game against Hogil when it became obvious that he lost.
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
January 02 2011 22:25 GMT
#105
Huge underestimation of HiyA detected. He has the potential to play some amazing TvP and I expect his series with Stork to be the best of the Ro8.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-02 23:47:09
January 02 2011 23:46 GMT
#106
I clearly cannot see whats so disgusting about celebrating the downfall of JD and Flash this season. Fans might be disappointed, but your ID doesnt win your games. Its a miracle that Jaedong held his game on a high level for so long, so going into a slump is only logical to me. Whoever wins this OSL deserves to be the champion - we had countless discussions about this in the past, no title is worth more than the other, and it doesnt matter if the champion beat Flash or Jaedong along the way. As the romans said "history is written by the victors". This OSL, both Flash and Jaedong are losers.
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AlgeriaT
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden2197 Posts
January 03 2011 02:07 GMT
#107
Hyuk'd!!!

Fucking best OSL ever, ain't no lie. Man do I wish I had the cash to go to Korea right now to cheer Hyuk on.
CORN GIRL + Flash + FanTaSy + CholeraSC + iNcontroL 4 eva <3
asdfTT123
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States989 Posts
January 03 2011 16:11 GMT
#108
Screw the haters - Gyarados will eat Pidgey alive - HiyA 2-1 Stork.
n.Die_Jaedong <3
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
January 04 2011 17:03 GMT
#109
Great article! I totally agree with Milkis on the meaninglessness (yeah, I made that word up) of this title. It will just be a title for someone. That's not to say that I don't wish for Song Byung Goo to win it all.

Go go Stork!
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
shinigami
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada423 Posts
January 04 2011 21:20 GMT
#110
Milkis hit the nail on the head. There's no need to sugarcoat it; we want to see the very best duking it out to be the best...

I'm not particularly hyped up for this OSL, but I know this defeat for Flash and Jaedong will make them bounce back higher in the end for even greater matches in the future.
I was thinking about joining a debate club, but I was talked out of it.
us.insurgency
Profile Joined March 2010
United States330 Posts
January 05 2011 03:01 GMT
#111
Lets go Stork! i loved his game vs hiya.
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