EPT[SC2] Passing the Torch - Page 2
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Rkie
United States1278 Posts
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On July 28 2010 15:47 G5 wrote: Especially by forces in the community such as top tier players who only looked at the game as a way of future financial benefit and fame. So much blindless SC2 hype came from these sad desperate souls. I won't name names but you know who you are. (...) For example: Starcraft 2 could kill the Starcraft: Broodwar scene in Korea and then fail miserably and leave us with nothing. (...) #2 I have no problem if people like Artosis, Day[9], some from EG clan or whoever want to earn money with this by streaming/casting/providing coverage... but the lack of criticism is kinda annoying. It seems to me that all the successful poker players like Fisheye who certainly was one of the best german players to ever play the game don't bother playing Sc2 because they just don't have to. Same will be true for most of them, as long as it will be easier to earn money with poker they won't play it competitively. So you have all these american people who invested a lot of time and effort in BW and now want to make money with SC2 without any doubt it seems. I never played SC2, but from all the streams and VODs i saw I hihgly doubt it will be as successful as BW. Lzgamer playing with like 120 APM, this is ridiculous. I don't know if the Expansion packs will change anything, but as it is I don't think people will want to play this game very long because it's just not fast enough and seems to depend much more on gameplay issues rather than handspeed/skill issues. Still, gl to everybody trying to be successful at SC2 in whatever way you choose €: also I hope that the range of broadcasting events/coverage will be larger in the future. It was already kinda sad that there was practically no Chinese coverage in BW despite being China the #2 BW country. I mean I don't know about the Chinese community, maybe they (have to) stick mostly to themselves because of lag issues. But in WC3 the integration of Chinese players seems to work, given that 4 out of the top 10 players are from China (gosu gamers ranking) | ||
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Connor
Canada1 Post
I wish Starcraft II the same success as Brood War. | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On July 28 2010 17:26 urashimakt wrote: I don't think you're talking about Blizzard, because all they've done is work to make it easier to be used in a tournament setting Certainly they did not. | ||
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ChoboCop
United States954 Posts
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
SC2 by default of being the new Blizzard game will be launched into esports and will stay there because it is a better game than every other non-BW RTS out there. It doesn't need time to prove this it is obvious from day one. Every big tournament has picked it up already. That includes tournaments that were not interested in BW (for the wrong reasons). SC2 has no games to compete with and crushes all opposition outside of Korea. It will stick around as an esport for a long, long time. If BW had been launched into a world where esports already existed it would be in the same situation. | ||
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GoDannY
Germany442 Posts
On July 28 2010 17:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I see some people saying you can't force an esport as if it is unsure whether SC2 will be one, which needs a quick reply. BW was not forced as an esport that's true. Esports didn't exist when BW was launched. Because of this BW followed a natural path of competitive popularity into esports. Creating an industry for others to follow, for which they should be very thankful. That does not mean that this is the standard for how games become esports, at all. It is simply BW's path to esports and nothing else and won't be applicable in this new situation. SC2 by default of being the new Blizzard game will be launched into esports and will stay there because it is a better game than every other non-BW RTS out there. It doesn't need time to prove this it is obvious from day one. Every big tournament has picked it up already. That includes tournaments that were not interested in BW (for the wrong reasons). SC2 has no games to compete with and crushes all opposition outside of Korea. It will stick around as an esport for a long, long time. If BW had been launched into a world where esports already existed it would be in the same situation. First of all, love the writeup, well done. I agree with Nazgul, and as it's also stated in the article: we have a huge chance here AND coming from the point of view of a beta participant - we are on the best way to create something huge. The game itself (leaving battle.net out) is way better than any modern RTS-game around I know of. Tough the issues that are still left need to be adressed, like the stone example clearly shows. But the point is the following - most of the complaints are not regarding Starcraft 2 itself, they are regarding Battle.Net 2.0 - which will be under constant development. As Blizzard promised they are adressing some of these in future patches - so we will see how "soon" that will be. The past has shown that the pressure of the community is another viable tool to influence the whole direction of the game and the platforms. I'm happily hoping for a bright future of the whole Starcraft universe and I think we are well prepared to hold the torch! | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
I see you've ignored the tournament (LAN) edition, the extensive overhaul to replays, the ability to add an unlimited(?) number of spectators/referees to a game without needing a slot built into the map, and the contracting with GOMTV. It's really easy to focus on the no regular LAN thing, I know. And it does suck.  | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
On July 28 2010 17:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: SC2 has no games to compete with and crushes all opposition outside of Korea. It will stick around as an esport for a long, long time. Sounds like a fair assessment. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Why couldn't (for example) Sc2 and BW have competitive scenes side-by-side? What about the current BW scene makes it so uninspiring that we're willing to ship it off, and what about the current Sc2 scene makes it so fantastic that we can already start talking about it's inherent ascension? It's all a potemkin village, and instead of artificially saying things like "bid a fond farewell to BW" and risk making it so, we should be positive and realistic about Sc2's chances, and see what happens naturally. We're cutting down the house we've already build to clear land for a new house of uncertain size and quality. Where will we live if the second house collapses? | ||
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
Oh yea~~~  p.s.: just get trial key from my friend before I die from waiting, btw, amazon is stumped, can't deliver 'til monday | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
Oh broodwar, we had some great days | ||
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LeDuck
Germany152 Posts
On July 28 2010 17:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I see some people saying you can't force an esport as if it is unsure whether SC2 will be one, which needs a quick reply. BW was not forced as an esport that's true. Esports didn't exist when BW was launched. Because of this BW followed a natural path of competitive popularity into esports. Creating an industry for others to follow, for which they should be very thankful. That does not mean that this is the standard for how games become esports, at all. It is simply BW's path to esports and nothing else and won't be applicable in this new situation. SC2 by default of being the new Blizzard game will be launched into esports and will stay there because it is a better game than every other non-BW RTS out there. It doesn't need time to prove this it is obvious from day one. Every big tournament has picked it up already. That includes tournaments that were not interested in BW (for the wrong reasons). SC2 has no games to compete with and crushes all opposition outside of Korea. It will stick around as an esport for a long, long time. If BW had been launched into a world where esports already existed it would be in the same situation. Great post, which hits the mark perfect. It's really astounding how quickly it got picked by different tournaments, I've never seen anything like that before. I also agree that it will stick around for a very long time, the only thing that's left to do for Blizzards is to slowly add missing features like chat rooms and this game is going to brand itself in history. | ||
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iG.Zeep
Mexico253 Posts
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
Worst case scenario for SC2 is a destiny like WC3 : skill cap reached within five years, the boringness of WC3 Scene killed it becaused it turned out it was not THAT depth. We've been seeing the same games over the past 3-4 years, same timings, same strats and same players. Hopefully two extensions are gonna be enougth to add enougth depth in this already wonderful game named Starcraft II : Wings of Liberty | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
I don't see how the community has been overly optimistic and praising SC2 when in fact all this site has done during the beta is question it, complain about it, suggest new mechanics and how to increase micro, viewability of it etc etc. We just need to keep up what we've been doing during beta and im sure this game will be brilliant in 2-3 years when the game is complete with its expansions. Blizzard has shown that they do care about what TL.net has to say ( direct examples are the move attack from the phoenix, Move rally instead of A move rally etc.) I don't think TL.net will be praising SC2 as some sort of miracle game once its out, beacuse its clearly not but Blizzard has said theyre going to implement cross realm play and chat channels in the future. Improvement to zerg and protoss will obviously follow aswell with these expansions. Keep up the critizing. | ||
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Gregsen
Germany667 Posts
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Trogdor
United States158 Posts
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