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[SC2] Passing the Torch - Page 2

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Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
July 28 2010 08:26 GMT
#21
wow... well said.
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-28 08:50:40
July 28 2010 08:33 GMT
#22
On July 28 2010 15:47 G5 wrote:
Especially by forces in the community such as top tier players who only looked at the game as a way of future financial benefit and fame. So much blindless SC2 hype came from these sad desperate souls. I won't name names but you know who you are.
(...)
For example: Starcraft 2 could kill the Starcraft: Broodwar scene in Korea and then fail miserably and leave us with nothing.
(...)


#2
I have no problem if people like Artosis, Day[9], some from EG clan or whoever want to earn money with this by streaming/casting/providing coverage... but the lack of criticism is kinda annoying. It seems to me that all the successful poker players like Fisheye who certainly was one of the best german players to ever play the game don't bother playing Sc2 because they just don't have to.
Same will be true for most of them, as long as it will be easier to earn money with poker they won't play it competitively.
So you have all these american people who invested a lot of time and effort in BW and now want to make money with SC2 without any doubt it seems. I never played SC2, but from all the streams and VODs i saw I hihgly doubt it will be as successful as BW. Lzgamer playing with like 120 APM, this is ridiculous. I don't know if the Expansion packs will change anything, but as it is I don't think people will want to play this game very long because it's just not fast enough and seems to depend much more on gameplay issues rather than handspeed/skill issues.

Still, gl to everybody trying to be successful at SC2 in whatever way you choose

€: also I hope that the range of broadcasting events/coverage will be larger in the future. It was already kinda sad that there was practically no Chinese coverage in BW despite being China the #2 BW country. I mean I don't know about the Chinese community, maybe they (have to) stick mostly to themselves because of lag issues. But in WC3 the integration of Chinese players seems to work, given that 4 out of the top 10 players are from China (gosu gamers ranking)
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Connor
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1 Post
July 28 2010 08:36 GMT
#23
Excellent write up! Enjoyed the read.

I wish Starcraft II the same success as Brood War.
[DUF]MethodMan
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany1716 Posts
July 28 2010 08:43 GMT
#24
On July 28 2010 17:26 urashimakt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2010 17:18 infinity2k9 wrote:
The whole e-Sports aspect of SC2 seems so forced. If its viable for e-Sports it naturally will become one, not from the power of will alone. I can't imagine it ever reaching the height of BW simply because as a spectator sport its just not clear enough to a casual viewer. The name can't make it big, from what it sounds like the reception to the game in Korea has been less than enthusiastic already. BW was the right game at the right time, as mentioned on the cusp of broadband internet penetration and happened to run on any computer as well. Now people's attention is divided between many other games too, such as MMORPGs... the market has moved on. I imagine the situation will turn out similar to Warcraft 3 which ended up more popular competitively in other places rather than Korea. And without Korea all you will have is another niche scene.

I don't think you're talking about Blizzard, because all they've done is work to make it easier to be used in a tournament setting


Certainly they did not.
ChoboCop
Profile Joined July 2004
United States954 Posts
July 28 2010 08:53 GMT
#25
Bravo
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NIIINO
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Slovakia1320 Posts
July 28 2010 08:54 GMT
#26
amazing read
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-28 09:35:53
July 28 2010 08:56 GMT
#27
I see some people saying you can't force an esport as if it is unsure whether SC2 will be one, which needs a quick reply. BW was not forced as an esport that's true. Esports didn't exist when BW was launched. Because of this BW followed a natural path of competitive popularity into esports. Creating an industry for others to follow, for which they should be very thankful. That does not mean that this is the standard for how games become esports, at all. It is simply BW's path to esports and nothing else and won't be applicable in this new situation.

SC2 by default of being the new Blizzard game will be launched into esports and will stay there because it is a better game than every other non-BW RTS out there. It doesn't need time to prove this it is obvious from day one. Every big tournament has picked it up already. That includes tournaments that were not interested in BW (for the wrong reasons). SC2 has no games to compete with and crushes all opposition outside of Korea. It will stick around as an esport for a long, long time.

If BW had been launched into a world where esports already existed it would be in the same situation.
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GoDannY
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany442 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-28 09:36:01
July 28 2010 09:14 GMT
#28
On July 28 2010 17:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I see some people saying you can't force an esport as if it is unsure whether SC2 will be one, which needs a quick reply. BW was not forced as an esport that's true. Esports didn't exist when BW was launched. Because of this BW followed a natural path of competitive popularity into esports. Creating an industry for others to follow, for which they should be very thankful. That does not mean that this is the standard for how games become esports, at all. It is simply BW's path to esports and nothing else and won't be applicable in this new situation.

SC2 by default of being the new Blizzard game will be launched into esports and will stay there because it is a better game than every other non-BW RTS out there. It doesn't need time to prove this it is obvious from day one. Every big tournament has picked it up already. That includes tournaments that were not interested in BW (for the wrong reasons). SC2 has no games to compete with and crushes all opposition outside of Korea. It will stick around as an esport for a long, long time.

If BW had been launched into a world where esports already existed it would be in the same situation.


First of all, love the writeup, well done.

I agree with Nazgul, and as it's also stated in the article: we have a huge chance here AND coming from the point of view of a beta participant - we are on the best way to create something huge. The game itself (leaving battle.net out) is way better than any modern RTS-game around I know of.

Tough the issues that are still left need to be adressed, like the stone example clearly shows. But the point is the following - most of the complaints are not regarding Starcraft 2 itself, they are regarding Battle.Net 2.0 - which will be under constant development. As Blizzard promised they are adressing some of these in future patches - so we will see how "soon" that will be. The past has shown that the pressure of the community is another viable tool to influence the whole direction of the game and the platforms.

I'm happily hoping for a bright future of the whole Starcraft universe and I think we are well prepared to hold the torch!
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Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
July 28 2010 09:22 GMT
#29
What about sc2 conversion into sc1 with the map editor ?
urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
July 28 2010 09:22 GMT
#30
On July 28 2010 17:43 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2010 17:26 urashimakt wrote:
On July 28 2010 17:18 infinity2k9 wrote:
The whole e-Sports aspect of SC2 seems so forced. If its viable for e-Sports it naturally will become one, not from the power of will alone. I can't imagine it ever reaching the height of BW simply because as a spectator sport its just not clear enough to a casual viewer. The name can't make it big, from what it sounds like the reception to the game in Korea has been less than enthusiastic already. BW was the right game at the right time, as mentioned on the cusp of broadband internet penetration and happened to run on any computer as well. Now people's attention is divided between many other games too, such as MMORPGs... the market has moved on. I imagine the situation will turn out similar to Warcraft 3 which ended up more popular competitively in other places rather than Korea. And without Korea all you will have is another niche scene.

I don't think you're talking about Blizzard, because all they've done is work to make it easier to be used in a tournament setting


Certainly they did not.

I see you've ignored the tournament (LAN) edition, the extensive overhaul to replays, the ability to add an unlimited(?) number of spectators/referees to a game without needing a slot built into the map, and the contracting with GOMTV.

It's really easy to focus on the no regular LAN thing, I know. And it does suck.
Who dat ninja?
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
July 28 2010 09:31 GMT
#31
I love these articles, so much great content on this site to give us newbies a way to get a grip on the whole scene.

On July 28 2010 17:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
SC2 has no games to compete with and crushes all opposition outside of Korea. It will stick around as an esport for a long, long time.


Sounds like a fair assessment.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 28 2010 09:37 GMT
#32
It's not the idea of Sc2 becoming big world-wide and in Korea that worries me, it's the idea that the mere presumption of Sc2's succession (these articles) will be enough to cripple what we already have, yet are no guarantee of future success.

Why couldn't (for example) Sc2 and BW have competitive scenes side-by-side? What about the current BW scene makes it so uninspiring that we're willing to ship it off, and what about the current Sc2 scene makes it so fantastic that we can already start talking about it's inherent ascension?

It's all a potemkin village, and instead of artificially saying things like "bid a fond farewell to BW" and risk making it so, we should be positive and realistic about Sc2's chances, and see what happens naturally. We're cutting down the house we've already build to clear land for a new house of uncertain size and quality. Where will we live if the second house collapses?
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GrazerRinge
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
999 Posts
July 28 2010 09:39 GMT
#33
Another 10 years of awesomeness!
Oh yea~~~

p.s.: just get trial key from my friend before I die from waiting,
btw, amazon is stumped, can't deliver 'til monday
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Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
July 28 2010 09:54 GMT
#34
Good write-up. I enjoyed reading it.
Oh broodwar, we had some great days
LeDuck
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany152 Posts
July 28 2010 10:07 GMT
#35
On July 28 2010 17:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I see some people saying you can't force an esport as if it is unsure whether SC2 will be one, which needs a quick reply. BW was not forced as an esport that's true. Esports didn't exist when BW was launched. Because of this BW followed a natural path of competitive popularity into esports. Creating an industry for others to follow, for which they should be very thankful. That does not mean that this is the standard for how games become esports, at all. It is simply BW's path to esports and nothing else and won't be applicable in this new situation.

SC2 by default of being the new Blizzard game will be launched into esports and will stay there because it is a better game than every other non-BW RTS out there. It doesn't need time to prove this it is obvious from day one. Every big tournament has picked it up already. That includes tournaments that were not interested in BW (for the wrong reasons). SC2 has no games to compete with and crushes all opposition outside of Korea. It will stick around as an esport for a long, long time.

If BW had been launched into a world where esports already existed it would be in the same situation.


Great post, which hits the mark perfect. It's really astounding how quickly it got picked by different tournaments, I've never seen anything like that before. I also agree that it will stick around for a very long time, the only thing that's left to do for Blizzards is to slowly add missing features like chat rooms and this game is going to brand itself in history.
Quack
iG.Zeep
Profile Joined May 2008
Mexico253 Posts
July 28 2010 10:08 GMT
#36
agree with G5 and nazgul lol
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Marou
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1371 Posts
July 28 2010 10:10 GMT
#37
Good write-up, really enjoyed this as usual on TL.

Worst case scenario for SC2 is a destiny like WC3 : skill cap reached within five years, the boringness of WC3 Scene killed it becaused it turned out it was not THAT depth. We've been seeing the same games over the past 3-4 years, same timings, same strats and same players.

Hopefully two extensions are gonna be enougth to add enougth depth in this already wonderful game named Starcraft II : Wings of Liberty
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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
July 28 2010 10:21 GMT
#38
@ G5

I don't see how the community has been overly optimistic and praising SC2 when in fact all this site has done during the beta is question it, complain about it, suggest new mechanics and how to increase micro, viewability of it etc etc.

We just need to keep up what we've been doing during beta and im sure this game will be brilliant in 2-3 years when the game is complete with its expansions.

Blizzard has shown that they do care about what TL.net has to say ( direct examples are the move attack from the phoenix, Move rally instead of A move rally etc.)

I don't think TL.net will be praising SC2 as some sort of miracle game once its out, beacuse its clearly not but Blizzard has said theyre going to implement cross realm play and chat channels in the future. Improvement to zerg and protoss will obviously follow aswell with these expansions.

Keep up the critizing.


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Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
July 28 2010 10:31 GMT
#39
Still, I will NOT buy it until they change their idiotic licence policy. Why does only Korea profit from this?? Because they are the only ones who fucking care.
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
Trogdor
Profile Joined August 2009
United States158 Posts
July 28 2010 10:50 GMT
#40
It seems like Blizzard getting bad reviews at E3 for the alpha was the greatest thing to ever happen to the company. They seemingly decided that they were never going to get bad reviews again, and did what it takes to make that so.
I may not have the collectors edition, but my copy of sc2 is signed by Jaedong :D UPDATE: also by MC
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