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Prophecy3
Canada223 Posts
The burden then is laid on us, the players. We have the opportunity with the Internet to make a profound change in our community and barring any seriously bad decisions by Activision it should be for the better! That being said; Here's to TL for never settling for less then best. Lets make it another stellar decade of starcraft! | ||
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FromEarthWithLove
United Kingdom8 Posts
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SuperDuper
United States3 Posts
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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G5
United States2922 Posts
On July 30 2010 09:16 FromEarthWithLove wrote: I think SC2 will remove a lot of the newbs/hackers from BW - that has to be a good thing! Wrong, it will remove newbs / hackers from SC2. | ||
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Oozo
Finland432 Posts
On July 30 2010 05:33 Captain Calamity wrote: This is a critical point My play skills are very very bad (I was too old when brood war came out) however that dosent mean I cant enjoy watching the game.. and SC2 is better to watch than BW, and will make better TV. I can't watch SC2 streams at all. Neither I can watch any tournaments they make. Really simple, its friggin booring. Seriously at this moment(maybe not in future of prosports in SC2) all I've seen is bashing the wall tactics. Make army composition (1-2-3 units of type usually), bash them to opponent, cross fingers for GG. Thats not entertaining, and fairly intresting in competitive point. There is few fancy micro rushes(also some call them cheeses), but thats about it. I really hope SC2 can introduce something new to the board, maybe new maps that bring diversity or new "must" micro, to give it "who is doing something right" factor. When I just see 2 masses of armys clashing and other GG, it gets boring in the long run. Another aspect that is lacking severly is in Terran matchup where stationary battles and slowpushes make entertaining games, In SC2 its just too slow to keep up with anything. As singleplayer game its overachieving and really fun game. Multiplayer esport game that is broadcasted, just "no". Let's wait till few expansions are up and we get to see more... maybe then (big maybe). | ||
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Carnagath
230 Posts
On July 30 2010 19:38 Jienny wrote: I can't watch SC2 streams at all. Neither I can watch any tournaments they make. Really simple, its friggin booring. Seriously at this moment(maybe not in future of prosports in SC2) all I've seen is bashing the wall tactics. Make army composition (1-2-3 units of type usually), bash them to opponent, cross fingers for GG. Thats not entertaining, and fairly intresting in competitive point. There is few fancy micro rushes(also some call them cheeses), but thats about it. I really hope SC2 can introduce something new to the board, maybe new maps that bring diversity or new "must" micro, to give it "who is doing something right" factor. When I just see 2 masses of armys clashing and other GG, it gets boring in the long run. Another aspect that is lacking severly is in Terran matchup where stationary battles and slowpushes make entertaining games, In SC2 its just too slow to keep up with anything. As singleplayer game its overachieving and really fun game. Multiplayer esport game that is broadcasted, just "no". Let's wait till few expansions are up and we get to see more... maybe then (big maybe). Oh, so BW is more entertaining to watch? For example the Flash vs Jaedong games where the whole "action" of every game was whether Flash was going to successfully wall off his fast expo and defend it against 5 hydras? Come on, seriously. Also, the fact that you call SC2 "too slow" tells me that you've probably never played it. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
Oh, so BW is more entertaining to watch? For example the Flash vs Jaedong games where the whole "action" of every game was whether Flash was going to successfully wall off his fast expo and defend it against 5 hydras? Come on, seriously. Also, the fact that you call SC2 "too slow" tells me that you've probably never played it. So everyone who says that SC2 is boring to watch has never played the game or just hate the world or blah blah?, for me SC2 is a hell of boring game to watch and I got the game, I even got a new pc in order to play it, but you are only a fanboy who just wants to criticize the people because it is free on the internet. | ||
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Carnagath
230 Posts
On July 31 2010 00:48 palexhur wrote: So everyone who says that SC2 is boring to watch has never played the game or just hate the world or blah blah?, for me SC2 is a hell of boring game to watch and I got the game, I even got a new pc in order to play it, but you are only a fanboy who just wants to criticize the people because it is free on the internet. No, everyone who says it's too slow has never played it. Also, you're criticizing me right now if I'm not mistaken, so touche. | ||
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Oozo
Finland432 Posts
On July 30 2010 20:23 Carnagath wrote: Oh, so BW is more entertaining to watch? For example the Flash vs Jaedong games where the whole "action" of every game was whether Flash was going to successfully wall off his fast expo and defend it against 5 hydras? Come on, seriously. Also, the fact that you call SC2 "too slow" tells me that you've probably never played it. I have played it, since beta. I have watched it since beta. And if you clearly decide game in just if Flash just defended game against JD.... Man just no, no... There is just more, much more. And no I am not Flash fan, instead im Fantasy fan. Looks more in to the BW game. There is such much more in to the game(like micro and macro). This statement seems like you have not actually watched game. (ps. its starcraft: BW) | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9571 Posts
On July 29 2010 01:55 Saracen wrote: I like SC2 because it's so much smoother. My drones don't glitch out when I try to pull them out of the mineral line or when they try to build hatcheries. I actually like MBS and infinite select and automine because I can focus my attention on cutesy stuff that I wasn't able to do in BW. That said, SC2 still doesn't (yet) have the strategic depth of BW, but I don't think I'll be going back as long as the SC2 competitive scene remains alive. So YOU'RE the culprit in teamliquid news team that is responsible for all this anti-bw propaganda! haha just kidding, but seriously though, to an old BW player like me, who cares about SC2 just as much as he cares for W3 (read none), this news post certainly can tick off the wrong buttons ^^. Just as many other people here I'm sure, I'm here for BW, so bidding a fond farewell to BroodWar would mean bidding a fond farewell to Teamliquid and that is one thing I sure as hell don't want to happen! Cheers! | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 30 2010 19:38 Jienny wrote: I can't watch SC2 streams at all. Neither I can watch any tournaments they make. Really simple, its friggin booring. Seriously at this moment(maybe not in future of prosports in SC2) all I've seen is bashing the wall tactics. Make army composition (1-2-3 units of type usually), bash them to opponent, cross fingers for GG. Thats not entertaining, and fairly intresting in competitive point. There is few fancy micro rushes(also some call them cheeses), but thats about it. I really hope SC2 can introduce something new to the board, maybe new maps that bring diversity or new "must" micro, to give it "who is doing something right" factor. When I just see 2 masses of armys clashing and other GG, it gets boring in the long run. Another aspect that is lacking severly is in Terran matchup where stationary battles and slowpushes make entertaining games, In SC2 its just too slow to keep up with anything. As singleplayer game its overachieving and really fun game. Multiplayer esport game that is broadcasted, just "no". Let's wait till few expansions are up and we get to see more... maybe then (big maybe). I was of the same opinion until I watched the Tester v Rainbow set from the KotB semifinals. Some of the play was very odd, but it was more entertaining than a lot of what I'd seen up to that point. | ||
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lepape
Canada557 Posts
I think the main problem with SC2 right now, not mentionning Battle.net 2.0, is the lack of oh shit units. Units like vultures, reavers, lurkers, defilers, spectacular units that can turn the tide of the game in just a few seconds. In SC2, I can think of Banelings in this category, maybe hellions... that's about it. Last time I watched games, Reapers, DTs were semi-viable, High Templars lost the ''one storm wonder'' aspect of the show, it seems all about armies clashing into another, it feels repetitive. I still have a lot of faith in Blizzard and I'm sure expansions will fix most of our complaints, but for now, I couldnt care less about SC2 and it's competitive scene. | ||
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Nonsense
United States53 Posts
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Carnagath
230 Posts
On July 31 2010 11:04 lepape wrote: I also fit in the ''watching SC2 is boring to watch'' category. Even playing it after a few weeks was getting boring (and no, not because I got crushed). I think the main problem with SC2 right now, not mentionning Battle.net 2.0, is the lack of oh shit units. Units like vultures, reavers, lurkers, defilers, spectacular units that can turn the tide of the game in just a few seconds. In SC2, I can think of Banelings in this category, maybe hellions... that's about it. Last time I watched games, Reapers, DTs were semi-viable, High Templars lost the ''one storm wonder'' aspect of the show, it seems all about armies clashing into another, it feels repetitive. I still have a lot of faith in Blizzard and I'm sure expansions will fix most of our complaints, but for now, I couldnt care less about SC2 and it's competitive scene. I know what you mean, but SC2 has plenty of "oh shit" units. Units like Hellions, Reapers, Banshees, blink Stalkers and Warp Prisms (and in my opinion the yet horribly underused Nydus Worm) were especially designed for constant harassment and massive damage and they are very "oh shit" if used correctly (see TLO and Whitera). High Templars may not melt everything instantly now, but they are still VERY "oh shit", they decimate low-hp units and can feedback critical Tier 3 units for massive damage. Colossus is also very "oh-shit". Also, pretty much every late army composition feels more "oh-shit", because it needs to be scouted early and countered in a meaningful and imaginative way, not merely via Scourge, Psi or Lockdown. | ||
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Fu-Fo-
Croatia7 Posts
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Vreck
Denmark9 Posts
If we look at the FPS industry, the first Counter-Strike was just a mod (unforced, as BW was) with no intention of becoming integrated with e-Sports. But it grew to become one of the most dominant FPS games in e-Sport culture. Along came Counter-Strike: Source. This game had no single-player and was actually "forced" as an e-Sport game by Valve. And to this day, it still is played at very high competitive levels. So the whole "a game cannot be forced into e-Sports" is an invalid statement. Sure, CSS is nowhere near Starcraft in terms of mainstream in Korea, but that doesn't make my conclusion any less true. You also have to remember (if you were ever part of the early CSS days) that Counter-Strike: Source had very limited to no support from the community (because CS 1.6 was still very viable in e-Sports), when it was released... It was made what it is purely from the people establishing tournaments and leagues. | ||
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ReDTerraN
Sweden88 Posts
come to sc2!! | ||
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IntrepidFool
United States1 Post
I'd also like to address the idea of podcasts/streamed BW games being better than SC2 games. This is just silly. The ONLY reason someone would prefer to watch a BW game is because they have intimate knowledge of the game/players/etc. (I would wager dollars to donuts that if you showed 10 players new to SC replays of BW and SC2 all 10 would prefer to watch SC2.) SC2 is better looking, smoother, has many cool statistics screens for replays, seems to have greater variety of openings/strategies, lots of cool harassment opportunities, appears to require more countering/adapting to opponent choices, and is new enough to where everyone is just learning how to play it. I played BW for years, but the fast-paced, aggressive style of gameplay at the tournament and diamond level in SC2 is more interesting to watch than what I've seen lately in BW. While I am continually amazed by the crazy micro top BW players display, the games still have a 'been there, done that' feel for me. Personally, while I love good micro, I think skill in gaming is more than just this. It has been very cool how many games that appeared 'over' in SC2 have flip-flopped (often multiple times) before someone actually won. Also, it is nice to hear genuine excitement in the podcasters voices as they comment on these SC2 matches. To me, this just makes for a better viewing experience. I'm hoping that SC2 brings another decade of relevance to the franchise. Just my $.02. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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