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Gretech and KeSPA Deadlocked - Page 5

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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
June 09 2010 00:08 GMT
#81
Welcome to the frustrating world of Korean politics...
Scorcher2k
Profile Joined November 2009
United States802 Posts
June 09 2010 00:08 GMT
#82
Greed at its finest...
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
June 09 2010 00:09 GMT
#83
On June 09 2010 09:06 TheElitists wrote:
Blizzard Side:
An organization that has openly broken IP laws in the past is intending to ignore the law again. They refuse to give an inch because they want to make all the money and have control over a game they didn't create or have permission from the creators to use. Awesome.

KeSPA fanboys:
Some vague conspiracy theory that Blizzard is trying to kill their own game in order to force a game that is already insanely popular before release to dominate airtime.

Occam's razer suggests...

Well, don't forget to include the part where Blizzard didn't bother to assert their so-called IP rights until SC2 was about to come out.

On June 09 2010 08:55 deo1 wrote:
If Gretech is successful in running it's own sc1/2 league, Kespa's life ban over the gambling scandal participants will be null in void. We might just see Mr. Ma playing again in the future

Any "success" from Gretech would likely be an online-only broadcast which would attract far less of an audience and be far less successful than pro-BW as it is now.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
June 09 2010 00:09 GMT
#84
On June 09 2010 09:07 MadJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2010 07:50 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Blizzard hasn't helped KeSPA at all? =/

StarCraft was popular in Korea before KeSPA existed. KeSPA formed around the StarCraft phenomenon. If Blizzard hadn't put an awesome game in the hands of so many Koreans, KeSPA probably wouldn't exist.


Im sorry, but blizzard didnt put an awesome games in the hands of koreans, or any gamer at all, they sold them the game, a game that they forgot and never had hopes of being something out of the ordinary cuz it didnt gave them much income. Starcraft has been a "phenomenon" since 2001 and yet Blizzard only saw its potential as an E-SPORT from 2007 and on, and try to claim what its legaly theirs, but moraly they have lost all rights to it. Its like having a kid and giving it to adoption and few years later try to take it back like nothing happened.

And Starcraft its a full of bug's game, hard to play. Its not a great game for the look of any outsider. The game wouldnt have survived, if it werent for the comunity, korean and international, that worked hard to dominate such a hard and buggy game and make it an E-SPORT. It is the comunity that made what starcraft the wonderful game it is.

By itself, starcraft would have died long ago with no hopes. However, even if the comunity didnt had such a great game to stablish itself on, it would have found ANY other game, and made it great, exactly as its happening with SC2. I bet that probably around 90% of the people playing SC2 wouldnt be so excitinly playing it if it werent for the name. It would be just other game. Blizzard help nothing to E-SPORTS until they saw the economic gains it could bring them.


So, you are mad at Blizzard for lacking the power of divination?
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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 09 2010 00:12 GMT
#85
Even though Blizzard probably do have the IP rights in this scenario, I believe that they still should allow free broadcasting of sc2. The role of Blizzard is to write the code for their products, and leave the culture of their games to the culture. Kespa does not have the power to even scratch Blizzard's dominance over the foreign sc2 scene. Tournaments hosted by Blizzard and tournaments hosted by Kespa do not compete. Kespa has absolute zero power outside Korea since 99.9% of sc2 players/viewers are not aware of Kespa's existence. If Blizzard hosts a tournament involving Korea, it either gets outshined by Kespa's tournaments within Korea, or gets completely boycotted if Kespa does not receive rights. Either way, they do not have any control over the Korean market. However, in order to maintain legitimacy in the global market, Korea needs to be included. Even if nobody knows about Kespa's existence, everybody should know that Koreans > all in starcraft. Not seeing Koreans in a global tournament completely shatters the legitimacy of it. If the situation manages to restrict sc2 in Korea to only GOM, and also destroy the scbw scene, then that's the end of sc pretty much. Without Korea, sc2 will just be another popular game that people play for a few months then move onto the next popular game. That hurts Blizzard more than anybody else. Because of this, it is best for Blizzard to allow Kespa all rights for broadcasting sc2.
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
June 09 2010 00:17 GMT
#86
kespa/ogn/cj/mbc should just buy 51% of gom, cj in particular seems rich enough to do so
Mojawi)SoJu
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)259 Posts
June 09 2010 00:17 GMT
#87
good translatio, good reading
#1 김택용 팬 | #1 화승 오즈 프로게임단 팬 | 스타2 하자! | 나를 찢어갈겨 이 씨발놈아 왜 나를 미치게 만들어 니가 뭘 아는데?
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
June 09 2010 00:25 GMT
#88
So the part I find funniest here is that Korean SC is pretty much a child labor situation in various ways and if Kespa used that as a point of negotiation (threatening to expose practices etc) Blizzard would have some significant problems dealing with it - but of course Kespa won't and can't.
the last wcs commissioner
HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
June 09 2010 00:32 GMT
#89
as i see it blizzard just stepped into the negotiations with unrealistically unreasonable demands, just to fake negotiations and eventually destroy kespa and sc:bw esports, so their new shiny sc2 game would get all the attention from the spotlights.

i think if kespa would have given up all their rights blizzard would still strongly push the whole scene towards their new product and promote sc2...

well if any of my speculations come true, i truly hope people will turn away from blizzard and its activision bullshit...
Merikh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States918 Posts
June 09 2010 00:32 GMT
#90
I'm really confused at why people are mad at blizzard (they did make the game) [They made a great game, no game no kespa - no kespa no pro scene]. I'm new to the whole situation can someone enlighten me why kespa are being so stubborn? It seems more to it than signing some agreement and continuing what they were doing before.
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White_Wolf
Profile Joined June 2010
United States7 Posts
June 09 2010 00:38 GMT
#91
A lot of this is just random arguing, money, and being stubborn. Blizzard of course is trying to replace Starcraft 1 with Starcraft 2. They are trying to bring in a lot of new fans and keep older fans at the same time. A long time ago when Starcraft BW wasn't as popular they encouraged tournaments, but now, they want Starcraft 2 to be popular so they gave the rights to Gretech because they know that Kespa probably would have tried to keep BroodWar for a long time. Blizzard in the end just wants to make money and is trying to make their new game popular (Blizzard says that its not about money though). The game definitely will be a success, but it might not be as popular as Starcraft BroodWar or it might not excel as fast (Muta stacking, bunker rush, reaver drop, w/e).

Kespa is being extremely stubborn. Rather than communicate they are also trying to force their demands. They also want some money out of the progaming teams as well. [Most progaming teams (the ones not as famous) are treated extremely harsh and the players there get less than 30,000$ USD a year while the rest of the money goes into Kespa]. Kespa is refusing to believe that in the end they could be shut down completely.

Gretech is just waiting and trying to get some money.

We, as fans, can't do much but give our own opinions. We'll have to wait and see. Funny thing is when I heard of Starcraft 2 I thought everyone would be thrilled, but I guess Kespa isn't too happy along with a lot of other people. I'm not so happy anymore.
Most of my thoughts could be wrong and can be challenged, but this is what I think.
I'm South Korean, born there (Moved to U.S. at 1 1/2), played Starcraft for most of my life, yet I suck.
White_Wolf
Profile Joined June 2010
United States7 Posts
June 09 2010 00:41 GMT
#92
On June 09 2010 09:32 Merikh wrote:
I'm really confused at why people are mad at blizzard (they did make the game) [They made a great game, no game no kespa - no kespa no pro scene]. I'm new to the whole situation can someone enlighten me why kespa are being so stubborn? It seems more to it than signing some agreement and continuing what they were doing before.


Blizzard said that they would shut down the progaming scene in Korea if their licenses etc. weren't respected. Though they did make the game, everyone has the right to be mad at Blizzard. All the progamers, Kespa, etc. made the game into what it is today though. Without the progaming scene, Starcraft would probably consist of D players everywhere. It wouldn't be known either.
I'm South Korean, born there (Moved to U.S. at 1 1/2), played Starcraft for most of my life, yet I suck.
Silan
Profile Joined January 2010
Denmark198 Posts
June 09 2010 00:41 GMT
#93
This almost seems like a 'favorite soccer team' discussion at times. Most of the negotiations have been behind closed doors, yet everyone has figured out who the bad guy is, and is more then willing to tell the truth here.

It also seems like chatroom rage have turned into blizzard rage, which now carries over to threads like this. Some people needs to relax and try to sort between facts and silly conspiracy theories (like Blizzard wanting to kill SC1).
Life is one crushing defeat after another until you just wish flanders was dead. - Homer
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
June 09 2010 00:42 GMT
#94
Watch KeSPA ignore Activision Blizzard's threat, they'll keep arguing that just because AB's game they don't have any rights over the progaming scene.
Prophecy3
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada223 Posts
June 09 2010 00:42 GMT
#95
Through its negotiations with Blizzard, Gretech has acquired all rights to Blizzard's gaming industry in South Korea for the next three years, and in this situation as it stands no entity may host a Starcraft tournament without acquiring a sublicense from Gretech.


Just curious if TL or any of the other tournaments like ZOTAC and HDH had to buy a sub-license from blizzard or anyone else?

Hate KeSpa as much as you want, for all their obvious personal interests.. But ActivisionBlizzard is doing the exact same. But nowhere in any of this is the Fans Interests.. Blizzard has already taken away Chat Rooms and Cross Realm Play to reduce communication between individuals, it seems like a logical step to lock down and control the most devoted 'market' (fans).. Seems like a logical Next step to do the same globally..

Hey.. Hey... Just sayin'..
Ignorance is Bliss? Indifferance is Atrocity.
InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
June 09 2010 00:43 GMT
#96
The end is near? Hopefully these upcoming starleagues won't disappoint.
... Knowmsayin'?
Mr.Pyro
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Denmark959 Posts
June 09 2010 00:54 GMT
#97
Look, KeSPA will have to abide by the damn law, like it or not they'll have to negotiate because it's not a question of whether or not they will get shut down if they fail to get their heads out of their asses, it's a question of when.

KeSPA made a lot of money off of starcraft, now Blizzard has decided they've mooched enough off of their product and developed services, KeSPA should take what they can get, but in the end it all comes down to greed.
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ChaosShadow
Profile Joined April 2010
United States79 Posts
June 09 2010 00:57 GMT
#98
On June 09 2010 09:42 Prophecy3 wrote:
Through its negotiations with Blizzard, Gretech has acquired all rights to Blizzard's gaming industry in South Korea for the next three years, and in this situation as it stands no entity may host a Starcraft tournament without acquiring a sublicense from Gretech.


Just curious if TL or any of the other tournaments like ZOTAC and HDH had to buy a sub-license from blizzard or anyone else?


All tournaments run with a sponsor had to get approval from blizzard, i don't know the specifics, but i know they all had to email blizzs esports department with certain information for approval.
Harpoon
Profile Joined December 2008
Philippines93 Posts
June 09 2010 00:57 GMT
#99
Actiblizzard wants to ruin the broodwar leagues through these little 'push and shoves'. sad day. . .
War is not about who is right, it is about who is left.
[Fin]Vittu
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada507 Posts
June 09 2010 01:07 GMT
#100
TL;DR

can someone please summarize this for me?

User was temp banned for this post.
The "Finnish Metal Terran"
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