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On June 09 2010 07:10 EleanorRIgby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 06:55 BookTwo wrote:
why does blizzard want Gretech to have the rights to starcraft after seeing what kespa has done for it?
because they don't care about sc1 anymore. or maybe because kespa failed to do anything
Are you fucking kidding me? Kespa built the entire starcraft pro-gaming community. Yes, they made some bad decisions in the past, but you can't forget that the e-sports corporations are all built by Kespa.
Blizzard won't do anything with sc1; they probably just want the sc1 pro-gaming community to die in hopes of getting more sales for sc2. Blizzard obviously doesn't care about sc1 OR the fans anymore. Seeing a joke of an interview a couple days ago from Frank Pearce or whatever his name was made me lose all hope in Blizzard.
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On June 09 2010 07:53 RAZROK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 07:45 JoelB wrote:On June 09 2010 07:38 kadaver_BB wrote:I seriously hope Kespa dies in a Fire :D Been a Blizzard Fanboy for 9 Years, they have never let me down, and i haven't lost my faith  People like you are pretty much the reason for Blizzards "We can do what we want" behavior. Reminds me of those Apple Fanboys who will just buy everything that has an "i"-prefix to its name, no matter how bad it is. Blizzard wants SC1 to die on purpose ... not that i really care for that game but i really care for the fragile eSport Scene as a whole. I-Paaaaaadddddd'uuuuuuuuuuuu Ehh, well ... SC:BW's standarts have become too high. So high, that new players are not welcome there, when sc2 is new, shiny and full of oppurtunities. When kid walks into store, how do you think which game will he buy? The new one ofcourse.
Or they'd buy the game that's 1/4th the price and runs on virtually any computer 
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Why the heck can blizzard claim the broadcasting rights of SC2?
These rights belong to the PLAYERS.
This may be a bigger issue in the future
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My goodness. This is a friggen sports not a drama. What a mess.
Why do people have to go all coporate on something so beautiful? You don't see James Naismith crying about how he invented basketball and now NBA runs it. Blizzard should be happy that a cast like them managed to make a game anyone cared about enough to make leagues of. Imagine how C&C is feeling.
Sadly, as much as we dislike it we saw it from months, if not years ahead. Kespa please open your eyes...
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On June 09 2010 07:45 JoelB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 07:38 kadaver_BB wrote:I seriously hope Kespa dies in a Fire :D Been a Blizzard Fanboy for 9 Years, they have never let me down, and i haven't lost my faith People like you are pretty much the reason for Blizzards "We can do what we want" behavior. Reminds me of those Apple Fanboys who will just buy everything that has an "i"-prefix to its name, no matter how bad it is. Blizzard wants SC1 to die on purpose ... not that i really care for that game but i really care for the fragile eSport Scene as a whole. This whole KeSPA thing might be labeled as an "IP Rights Issue", but in truth, its the same reason why there won't be a LAN implementation or anything like that (Label: Anti Piracy) ... its just about control, nothing else - and i doubt we will enjoy this level of control Blizzard has now
Why should Blizzard want SC1 to die? They'd only threaten their sales by angering the korean fanbase. I don't like many of the latest decisions of Blizzard either, but I can understand some of them. No LAN is an inconvenience etc, but if you look at kespa or even ICCup, you gotta understand that they want to contol their game. If Blizzard would really just "kill SC1", they'd have shut down ICCup a long time ago.
So why threatening Kespa/MBC/OGN? I don't know every detail, but from what I observed it's quite simple:
If Blizzard wants to get money out of SC2 and possibly even get a piece of the broadcasting profits, Kespa has to die or loose the grip over the Korean scene. Kespa did push Blizzard out of the korean pro-scene when they shut down the GOM league and if they wanted to block sc2 to preserve their scene, they could (at least keep it off the major broadcasting stations and keep the funds out of the new scene)... at least they could have done it a month ago, but since the Blizzard/Gretech deal they kinda depend on Gretechs (and Blizzards) good will.
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People should look at why the pro teams stand with kespa instead of dropping them like Bliz has. Mainly, the horrid contracts they hold over their players (abusive really) void out once kespa is removed from the equation. Granted, they can re-create the same bullshit state with GOM, but that's another topic.
Kespa is losing its relevance and seemingly willing to kill the scene as it goes out.
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This is just madness.. Imagine if Sc2 didn't become an e-Sport and Sc:BW was discontinued to due this crappy argument..It would hurt both sides.. As far as i'm concerned if Sc2 isn't big, alot of people, myself included will move on to another game.
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I don't know where people are getting this shit about "Kespa building the SC scene from scratch". As I recall, it was OGN and MBC (together with different collections of players and teams) that really built it up, then Kespa just walked in and demanded all the broadcasting rights.
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If Gretech is successful in running it's own sc1/2 league, Kespa's life ban over the gambling scandal participants will be null in void. We might just see Mr. Ma playing again in the future
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I hope people raise hell about the SC1 scene at blizzcon ffs.
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On June 09 2010 08:55 deo1 wrote:If Gretech is successful in running it's own sc1/2 league, Kespa's life ban over the gambling scandal participants will be null in void. We might just see Mr. Ma playing again in the future
I'm pretty sure in that case the ban will still carry over. What they did was still illegal and wrong.
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On June 09 2010 08:27 Triik wrote:
Remember the time when kespa tried to sell broadcasting rights of starcraft when mbc/ogn were the actual companies hosting the games, coordinating and providing the venues for the games to be played?
Probably the same thing here with Gretech, mbc/ogn will still have to do all the hosting and coordinating but they just have to pay Gretech to broadcast starcraft. How on earth do you expect mbc to cave to Gretech when they did not cave to kespa back then?
Actually, I think Kespa was only trying to sell the rights for MBC/OGN to use their players. I'm sure MBC and OGN could have played a bunch of amateurs and not payed any fines. But who wants to watch amateurs play?
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On June 09 2010 08:44 sk` wrote:
People should look at why the pro teams stand with kespa instead of dropping them like Bliz has. Mainly, the horrid contracts they hold over their players (abusive really) void out once kespa is removed from the equation. Granted, they can re-create the same bullshit state with GOM, but that's another topic.
Kespa is losing its relevance and seemingly willing to kill the scene as it goes out.
Pro teams side with kespa probably because the Kespa pays the salaries? Who is giong to run a pro team without paying their playesr?
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Thanks for the translation rotinegg
On June 09 2010 08:30 S[-_-]iege wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2010 07:10 EleanorRIgby wrote:On June 09 2010 06:55 BookTwo wrote:
why does blizzard want Gretech to have the rights to starcraft after seeing what kespa has done for it?
because they don't care about sc1 anymore. or maybe because kespa failed to do anything Are you fucking kidding me? Kespa built the entire starcraft pro-gaming community. Yes, they made some bad decisions in the past, but you can't forget that the e-sports corporations are all built by Kespa.
LMAO @ "Kespa built the entire starcraft pro-gaming community"
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Blizzard Side:
An organization that has openly broken IP laws in the past is intending to ignore the law again. They refuse to give an inch because they want to make all the money and have control over a game they didn't create or have permission from the creators to use. Awesome.
KeSPA fanboys:
Some vague conspiracy theory that Blizzard is trying to kill their own game in order to force a game that is already insanely popular before release to dominate airtime.
Occam's razer suggests...
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I have a feeling it's all play-acting.
I don't think Korean Air would have signed for another OSL if they didn't get assurances that OGN would get the sublicense. Given CJ's heavy involvement in pro-BW, via the CJ team, the hite (OGN) team, and the OGN channel - including all the BW spinoff shows, it might even be worth it to nab another 25% of Gretech to secure majority control just to dictate Gretech's actions, but I don't think it'll come down to that.
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On June 09 2010 07:50 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Blizzard hasn't helped KeSPA at all? =/
StarCraft was popular in Korea before KeSPA existed. KeSPA formed around the StarCraft phenomenon. If Blizzard hadn't put an awesome game in the hands of so many Koreans, KeSPA probably wouldn't exist.
Im sorry, but blizzard didnt put an awesome games in the hands of koreans, or any gamer at all, they sold them the game, a game that they forgot and never had hopes of being something out of the ordinary cuz it didnt gave them much income. Starcraft has been a "phenomenon" since 2001 and yet Blizzard only saw its potential as an E-SPORT from 2007 and on, and try to claim what its legaly theirs, but moraly they have lost all rights to it. Its like having a kid and giving it to adoption and few years later try to take it back like nothing happened.
And Starcraft its a full of bug's game, hard to play. Its not a great game for the look of any outsider. The game wouldnt have survived, if it werent for the comunity, korean and international, that worked hard to dominate such a hard and buggy game and make it an E-SPORT. It is the comunity that made what starcraft the wonderful game it is.
By itself, starcraft would have died long ago with no hopes. However, even if the comunity didnt had such a great game to stablish itself on, it would have found ANY other game, and made it great, exactly as its happening with SC2. I bet that probably around 90% of the people playing SC2 wouldnt be so excitinly playing it if it werent for the name. It would be just other game. Blizzard help nothing to E-SPORTS until they saw the economic gains it could bring them.
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