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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
On June 09 2010 06:55 BookTwo wrote: why does blizzard want Gretech to have the rights to starcraft after seeing what kespa has done for it? because they don't care about sc1 anymore. or maybe because kespa failed to do anything | ||
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shalafi
394 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:08 talismania wrote: I still don't see why Kespa didn't agree to licensing and now sublicensing... how much was blizzard asking for anyways? Just pay them, sheesh. It wasn't just money. Blizzard only granted permission for a limited time (1 year I think) and demanded the right to control KeSPA and the players 100% (right to cancel the contracts between players and teams, right to get a player to play Blizzard-made leagues and leave KeSPA-made leagues...) We still don't know if Gretech is softer because of the NDAs ¬_¬ But seeing how uncooperative MBC is, I wouldn't be surprised if it is as harsh. | ||
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red_b
United States1267 Posts
On June 09 2010 06:54 Belegorm wrote: Because Blizzard wants SC2 to replace BW. It's a sad situation, but I can sort of understand since it would be quite likely that the current starleagues would go on and BW would still be king in Korea. KeSPA would then just ignore Blizzard and continue what it's been doing. I agree with this assessment. We saw the same thing happen with Valve and source/1.6 where Valve actively ****ed the community to push their new game. Blizzard wants Starcraft 2 on tv and Broodwar off it and I suspect KeSPA said no. Look, I dont think kespa is a great organization. I really, really dont. But the way this has gone down they have somehow managed to find themselves in the shoes of the "good guys". Blizzard signed a deal with GomTV to threaten kespa, to say "if you dont play by my rules Im taking my ball and going home". If Blizzard was being the good guys, they would have just signed a deal for SC2 with Gom and left Brood War alone, period. Im sure Blizzard will tell the story that they made kespa all sorts of reasonable offers. Offers which probably include LARGE streams of money flowing into Acitivision's bank accounts. And Kespa will say that Blizzard has done nothing; now they just want a piece of cake without having to clean the mess in the kitchen. Both are standing firm and at this point it looks like it will end in legal action and I suspect kespa will win. It may be Blizzard's platform but that doesnt mean they own the games, the players, the replays or the broadcasts. If you look at their EULA for SC2 they have taken the stance that they do. | ||
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TheMute
United States458 Posts
I think this will get more fun and interesting if Kespa just ignores Gretech and just proceeds to broadcast PL, OSL, and MSL without Gretech's consent.  | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On June 09 2010 06:56 Veil wrote: Think Gretech or Blizzard would take up the reins regarding all aspects of E-sports after Kespa is gone? Long as E-sports and Pro-teams grow in the future, I don't really care who is running it. Nope... At least not for SC1. I can see Blizzard and Gretech running some individual leagues without salaries, but I cannot see them being able to support a team league system as currently exists under KeSPA, especially since all of the current teams are owned by KeSPA corporations. If this all goes to hell, Blizzard and Gretech would have to find a whole new group of corporations to sponsor teams and rebuild the infrastructure that KeSPA created (and would take with them). This is pretty much a big staring contest between the two sides and both sides are just waiting for the other to blink. Without Starcraft, KeSPA would lose its primary source of revenue. However, without KeSPA, Gretech has little to no use for the IP rights to Starcraft since they don't have anywhere near KeSPA's resources to build a new league for an old game. Also keep in mind that all of the top players are still under contract with KeSPA so they wouldn't even be allowed to participate in any Gretech league. If they don't come to an agreement, it'll probably be the end of Starcraft as an eSport and the only hope would be for Starcraft 2 to be successful enough to replace it, which I highly doubt will happen. | ||
disciple
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
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Veil
Korea (South)42 Posts
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durecell
United Kingdom85 Posts
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
“In order to prevent E-SPORTS fans from suffering losses by having leagues shutdown by force, we are doing our best to start negotiations as soon as possible, but kespa and the broadcasting channels have not given us a response, which is very frustrating.” Honestly, I think this is exactly what should happen. They should try to shut down the individual leagues, and then have the law shoved in their faces when they realise they don't have any right to do so. Sorry, Blizzard, but you can't make up the rules. I don't there's any real law that protects their game from being used in broadcasts, and it doesn't exactly look good that they're 8 years too late. Even if SC:BW ends because of this, and Blizzard really does have the law on their side, I think that's dying with honour. If these are the last days of BroodWar, I will watch as many games as I can. I'm not going to watch any e-sports run by the ungrateful company Blizzard has become. The word sport can't even be applied to such a ridiculous venture. To clarify my feelings: I think if only on a matter of principle, KeSPA should not negotiate under these circumstances. Blizzard wants control of an organization they didn't help at all, but that helped them lots. Blizzard is the ultimate brat. | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
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Cerion
213 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:20 Aphelion wrote: I still remember the shit that Kespa pulled with OGN and MBC. I have no sympathy for them at all, they didn't really do much for e-sports but really just butted in for the profit. As long as the SC1 leagues continue in some form Kespa can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. yeah, but they wont without kespa Why do you think anyone is supporting kespa? Because we want the sc1 league to stay alive. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:21 fabiano wrote: The sad thing in all this drama is that both Blizzard and KeSPA are only worried about the money. If that wasnt true, they would have reached an agreement by now. I think at this point it's far more about pride than money. KeSPA doesn't want to be Blizzard's bitch and they're not about to be pushed around by a company that contributed nothing, but suddenly wants to come in and take over everything they've created in the past 10 years. Frankly, I can understand that. On June 09 2010 07:22 Cerion wrote: SC2 killing off the BW scene eventually is inevitable People also said that when WC3 came out. Look where we are now. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
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Veil
Korea (South)42 Posts
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