EPTGretech and KeSPA Deadlocked - Page 3
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Osaka27156 Posts
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kadaver_BB
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Been a Blizzard Fanboy for 9 Years, they have never let me down, and i haven't lost my faith  | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5739 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:38 kadaver_BB wrote: I seriously hope Kespa dies in a Fire :D Been a Blizzard Fanboy for 9 Years, they have never let me down, and i haven't lost my faith Than start reading the articles because they are destroying the BW scene. Guess you don't care about BW... | ||
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Cerion
213 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:26 JinMaikeul wrote: People also said that when WC3 came out. Look where we are now. WC3 wasn't a direct sequel to starcraft though, BW has had an extraordinary life span but is really showing its age by now | ||
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JoelB
Germany311 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:38 kadaver_BB wrote: I seriously hope Kespa dies in a Fire :D Been a Blizzard Fanboy for 9 Years, they have never let me down, and i haven't lost my faith People like you are pretty much the reason for Blizzards "We can do what we want" behavior. Reminds me of those Apple Fanboys who will just buy everything that has an "i"-prefix to its name, no matter how bad it is. Blizzard wants SC1 to die on purpose ... not that i really care for that game but i really care for the fragile eSport Scene as a whole. This whole KeSPA thing might be labeled as an "IP Rights Issue", but in truth, its the same reason why there won't be a LAN implementation or anything like that (Label: Anti Piracy) ... its just about control, nothing else - and i doubt we will enjoy this level of control Blizzard has now | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:38 kadaver_BB wrote: I seriously hope Kespa dies in a Fire :D Been a Blizzard Fanboy for 9 Years, they have never let me down, and i haven't lost my faith Obviously you haven't read what Blizzard's been up to recently. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:20 Chef wrote: Thanks for this. “In order to prevent E-SPORTS fans from suffering losses by having leagues shutdown by force, we are doing our best to start negotiations as soon as possible, but kespa and the broadcasting channels have not given us a response, which is very frustrating.” Honestly, I think this is exactly what should happen. They should try to shut down the individual leagues, and then have the law shoved in their faces when they realise they don't have any right to do so. Sorry, Blizzard, but you can't make up the rules. I don't there's any real law that protects their game from being used in broadcasts, and it doesn't exactly look good that they're 8 years too late. Even if SC:BW ends because of this, and Blizzard really does have the law on their side, I think that's dying with honour. If these are the last days of BroodWar, I will watch as many games as I can. I'm not going to watch any e-sports run by the ungrateful company Blizzard has become. The word sport can't even be applied to such a ridiculous venture. To clarify my feelings: I think if only on a matter of principle, KeSPA should not negotiate under these circumstances. Blizzard wants control of an organization they didn't help at all, but that helped them lots. Blizzard is the ultimate brat. Blizzard hasn't helped KeSPA at all? =/ StarCraft was popular in Korea before KeSPA existed. KeSPA formed around the StarCraft phenomenon. If Blizzard hadn't put an awesome game in the hands of so many Koreans, KeSPA probably wouldn't exist. | ||
disciple
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
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RAZROK
Latvia49 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:45 JoelB wrote: People like you are pretty much the reason for Blizzards "We can do what we want" behavior. Reminds me of those Apple Fanboys who will just buy everything that has an "i"-prefix to its name, no matter how bad it is. Blizzard wants SC1 to die on purpose ... not that i really care for that game but i really care for the fragile eSport Scene as a whole. I-Paaaaaadddddd'uuuuuuuuuuuu Ehh, well ... SC:BW's standarts have become too high. So high, that new players are not welcome there, when sc2 is new, shiny and full of oppurtunities. When kid walks into store, how do you think which game will he buy? The new one ofcourse. | ||
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Doughboy
United States721 Posts
FUNGAL GROWTHUUUUUUUUUU | ||
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IamAnton
Canada335 Posts
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
On June 09 2010 07:30 Veil wrote: In retrospect what would have happened to E-sports if a centralizing organization like Kespa was not around? Tournaments and events would have been held directly by the broadcasting stations, the rules and format would vary a lot more, there would likely be no standardized pro teams as we see them today and most likely, everything would be much more low budget. Aside from being the central body of Korean eSports, remember that KeSPA as a group of corporation are also the ones providing much of the financial backing and facilities to make it possible. An organization like KeSPA will always develop in a sport over time because standardization makes life easier for the majority of people and makes things run more efficiently. Of course there are certainly negative aspects to this, but for the most part, they are outweighed by the benefits of having a strong central organization. If KeSPA dies here and now, it will only be recreated in another form in Starcraft 2, which would make its death meaningless. Whether that means Blizzard/Gretech would become the new "KeSPA", another group of corporations willing to sponsor teams arises to form it, or the same corporations of the current KeSPA simply continue to be involved is yet to be seen. In the end, power goes to the corporations who own the player contracts and material those players create, which is why Blizzard is so keen on getting control of these things for themselves and which is why it's exactly this control that has become the heart of the problem. On June 09 2010 08:01 IamAnton wrote: Esports is allready established in Korea, BW isn't going anywhere and the only thing thats going to change is Blizzards in charge not Kespa. In this situation there was NEVER anything to worry about. You're severely misguided if you actually think this is the case. A LOT is going to change if KeSPA is no longer in charge. No more OSL/MSL/Proleague (owned and organized by KeSPA). Possibly no TV broadcasts (OGN and MBC are both KeSPA members). No more pro-gaming teams with their facilities (KHAN, Rolster, SKT1, etc. all owned by KeSPA corporations). No top players like Flash, JD, Stork, etc. (All contracts currently owned by KeSPA). The BW scene as we see it today would literally fall apart without KeSPA's cooperation. What do you think everyone is worried about? eSports is established in Korea as a product of KeSPA and nothing more. Without KeSPA, a new entity would have to rebuild it from the ground up, which would take a lot of time and resources and would certainly kill off Brood War before it happened, which is probably what Blizzard is counting on anyway. GomTV's league didn't survive without KeSPA's cooperation. What on earth makes you think some other league they create will? | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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duuuke
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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sc1saus
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If I want to put on a video of me playing SC2 and stream it live, I should be able to. But the way it's gonna work that will basicly be illegal come SC2 (sure they will tolerate the little guys but still). Sure it's understandable Blizz went like: "they sold some rights relating to a game of ours and make big bucks 0_0" and want a slice of the pie. So If Starcraft was an oven, Kespa used it to bake a delicious pie wich they then sold to the market, Blizzard who made the oven is like "That pie was made using our oven and they made money from it?!" grrrrr. So now they have build a new type of oven and at the same time want to restrict use of the old oven. So they license the using of it only to the other guy because Kespa is of the opinion that the maker of an oven has no rights to the pie that was baked in it. And this is why they are silent. And rightly so I might add. Wether the rights would hold up in court is something else. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/issue/1275976818_1.jpg) Money man money man money man... No sign of ESPORTS in this picture. This situation is so sad. Thanks a lot for the translation! | ||
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Pippah
Denmark356 Posts
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Triik
Canada51 Posts
Probably the same thing here with Gretech, mbc/ogn will still have to do all the hosting and coordinating but they just have to pay Gretech to broadcast starcraft. How on earth do you expect mbc to cave to Gretech when they did not cave to kespa back then? | ||
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