• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:13
CEST 12:13
KST 19:13
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection2Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)7
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June0Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th149Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League5
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser My starcraft 2 changes Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued SC2 Parody - "Somebody That I Used to Troll"
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train
Brood War
General
Tesagi Viewer - A new era of replay watching Data analysis on 70 million replays BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event [BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] WB Final & LB Semis - Saturday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread How cold is too cold to be outdoors? Dating: How's your luck? Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4632 users

[TL Subs] After Talk - Betting Scandal - Page 6

Forum Index > News
299 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 15 Next All
Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
May 23 2010 23:38 GMT
#101
YouTube please.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
May 23 2010 23:38 GMT
#102
imma be honest. the commentators saying stuff seemed like they were just overreacting. i mean yeah they have the right to be pissed but outside of kingdom (who had the most mellow response) they didn't really help build up the sport. but the boxer+oov segment was amazing. especially oov's enthusiasm and his 100-year history metaphor. what great guys.

thanks for the translations.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
May 23 2010 23:40 GMT
#103
On May 24 2010 08:35 Antisocialmunky wrote:
What were they referring to at the beginning with Shinae and Nal_ra swearing?


OGN has a TV Program where Shinae, Nal_ra and 2 other ex progamers play on battle.net. They're just saying Nal_ra when to film that program so he couldn't be there for the program.
Issor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States870 Posts
May 23 2010 23:41 GMT
#104
I'll seed for a day or so. Ep. 9 of Oldboy was seeded for about as long and I got a 40:1 ratio up:down, lol.

Thanks, subs team!
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 23 2010 23:43 GMT
#105
On May 24 2010 08:38 redtooth wrote:
imma be honest. the commentators saying stuff seemed like they were just overreacting. i mean yeah they have the right to be pissed but outside of kingdom (who had the most mellow response) they didn't really help build up the sport. but the boxer+oov segment was amazing. especially oov's enthusiasm and his 100-year history metaphor. what great guys.

thanks for the translations.

Those commentators have been covering Starcraft for a long long time. Their influence is arguably just as great. You can link it to someone like John Madden.

These guys have been around for a long time. Kim Carrier's known for being the biggest failure at predictions ever, and without commentators on OGN and MBC, Starcraft definitely wouldn't have garnered as great of an interest.
God Bless
kcaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada387 Posts
May 23 2010 23:44 GMT
#106
It's really unbelievable reading the things we all did with disbelief. How we all look up to BoxeR without even being able to speak his language (most of us anyways) and like OOV, saying he didn't even think about fixing games, that these guys grew up going to see them play and then to disgrace a scene so unique, just to get a little bit ahead, is just disgusting and they should be ashamed. But I think it can recover in time, and there's a bright future for e-sports. Let's be the unshakeable root guys.
You can't emphasize enough how much you need to be a paradigm shifter. - Ma Jae Yoon
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
May 23 2010 23:46 GMT
#107
On May 24 2010 07:21 Effort_FTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2010 06:58 weaksauce wrote:
i know he's hungry and all, but could they at least turn that guys mic down. i hate hearing people eat, slurp, chew, and talk with their mouth full.

what game are they talking about near the beginning?

"The overlord clearly saw the scv, but they didnt react to each other"


Pretty sure it was this one.



wow the descisionmaking there is like that of a D-player on iccup. and when he runs all his drones into the MnM squad.
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
May 23 2010 23:59 GMT
#108
This is the least eating I've seen on a K/J eating show. Epic.
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Marine/Raven Guide:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163605
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
May 24 2010 00:02 GMT
#109
Having watched this I really don't know how to feel about this now.

I feel really bad for this to happen, even more so to fans of those players(How many savior fans are changing thar tl sigs now?) I was lucky, I wasn't a huge fan of any of these players however I did have a passing interest in go.go. I feel bad for the fans of the players most of all. Finding out your hero's are not who they seem is never a good time.

I've never even thought about the implications of teams possibly disbanding and the meaning that ACE had on the scene. This whole episode puts into light how serious this scandal really is.

Boxer and Oov standing up for the scene and holding strong, if the fans are the roots, then Boxer and oov is the ground they are in.

Thanks tl subs. You guys rock.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
May 24 2010 00:13 GMT
#110
man ... all of them .. all of their points made sense .. i say do it harshly and make an example for the rest of league not to engage in these types of betting ..
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 00:18:00
May 24 2010 00:16 GMT
#111
On May 24 2010 09:02 Parnage wrote:
Having watched this I really don't know how to feel about this now.

I feel really bad for this to happen, even more so to fans of those players(How many savior fans are changing thar tl sigs now?) I was lucky, I wasn't a huge fan of any of these players however I did have a passing interest in go.go. I feel bad for the fans of the players most of all. Finding out your hero's are not who they seem is never a good time.

I've never even thought about the implications of teams possibly disbanding and the meaning that ACE had on the scene. This whole episode puts into light how serious this scandal really is.

Boxer and Oov standing up for the scene and holding strong, if the fans are the roots, then Boxer and oov is the ground they are in.

Thanks tl subs. You guys rock.


shit man, totally forgot that I need to change my sig
edit: done...
beep boop
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
May 24 2010 00:19 GMT
#112
On May 24 2010 08:38 redtooth wrote:
imma be honest. the commentators saying stuff seemed like they were just overreacting. i mean yeah they have the right to be pissed but outside of kingdom (who had the most mellow response) they didn't really help build up the sport. but the boxer+oov segment was amazing. especially oov's enthusiasm and his 100-year history metaphor. what great guys.

thanks for the translations.


didn't really help build esport?

they made it into a spectator game .. they are like the spices in the ingredients .. its just different when you watch VoDs w/o commentators. you might have said that because you can't understand what they commentate but look at how the game is beef'd up with commentaries by commentator you actually understand, like those in TSL or GOM ..
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
baeracaed
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States604 Posts
May 24 2010 00:20 GMT
#113
This video got me pretty emo. T T
(☞゚ヮ゚)☞ Cookies! ☜(゚ヮ゚☜)
lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
May 24 2010 00:25 GMT
#114
I couldn't help but feel but carrier and the guy in the middle were overemotional for the camera. I'm pretty sure they are legitimately mad, but imo, they were overacting for the camera.

Boxer was legit. Looked like he was about to break down at one point. Guy loves e-sports like a baby. Boxer forever.
Fav Gamers: 2)Stork 5)Bisu
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
May 24 2010 00:28 GMT
#115
On May 24 2010 09:25 lone_hydra wrote:
I couldn't help but feel but carrier and the guy in the middle were overemotional for the camera. I'm pretty sure they are legitimately mad, but imo, they were overacting for the camera.

Boxer was legit. Looked like he was about to break down at one point. Guy loves e-sports like a baby. Boxer forever.


these two also put in 10 years of their freakin life into esports, and, while I dont know about Kim Carrier, the fat dude was also a player himself at one point, so why on earth would you think that they are overemotional and that they dont love e-sports like boxer does.
beep boop
pR0gR4m3R
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain1446 Posts
May 24 2010 00:29 GMT
#116
On May 24 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              24 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:25 lone_hydra wrote:
I couldn't help but feel but carrier and the guy in the middle were overemotional for the camera. I'm pretty sure they are legitimately mad, but imo, they were overacting for the camera.

Boxer was legit. Looked like he was about to break down at one point. Guy loves e-sports like a baby. Boxer forever.


Carrier is quite direct, and when he talks, I feel how much he cares and loves the scene, and how everything is hurting even the commentators

Quite surprising for me when Kingdom says that "player enviroment" is better now than in his old days. Shit!! nowadays, when kids play 12/14 straight hours, how it was in his prime???
StarCraft-ESP.com Admin - Spanish StarCraft Community
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 00:32:35
May 24 2010 00:32 GMT
#117
On May 24 2010 09:29 pR0gR4m3R wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 24 2010 09 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:25 lone_hydra wrote:
I couldn't help but feel but carrier and the guy in the middle were overemotional for the camera. I'm pretty sure they are legitimately mad, but imo, they were overacting for the camera.

Boxer was legit. Looked like he was about to break down at one point. Guy loves e-sports like a baby. Boxer forever.


Carrier is quite direct, and when he talks, I feel how much he cares and loves the scene, and how everything is hurting even the commentators

Quite surprising for me when Kingdom says that "player enviroment" is better now than in his old days. Shit!! nowadays, when kids play 12/14 straight hours, how it was in his prime???


Like he says, these guys had to stick together and buy food from the money they won in tourneys.
Nowadays, while they still work a whole lot, they get to live in somewhat comfortable buildings and get food for free and have contracts with a monthly salary.
beep boop
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
May 24 2010 00:36 GMT
#118
Downloading I like how there's so much coverage of this scandal.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
ii.blitzkrieg
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada1122 Posts
May 24 2010 00:37 GMT
#119
On May 24 2010 09:29 pR0gR4m3R wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              24 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:25 lone_hydra wrote:
I couldn't help but feel but carrier and the guy in the middle were overemotional for the camera. I'm pretty sure they are legitimately mad, but imo, they were overacting for the camera.

Boxer was legit. Looked like he was about to break down at one point. Guy loves e-sports like a baby. Boxer forever.


Carrier is quite direct, and when he talks, I feel how much he cares and loves the scene, and how everything is hurting even the commentators

Quite surprising for me when Kingdom says that "player enviroment" is better now than in his old days. Shit!! nowadays, when kids play 12/14 straight hours, how it was in his prime???


This has been talked about on TL a fair amount in the past.

Like Kingdom said there was small teams and they paid their rent/food etc with tournament winnings of a couple players. Xellos is famous and well respected for this he gave up a lot of his own money to keep the team together. I think I remember a boxer interview or maybe it was his autobiography when he was talking about practically living in a pc bang and eating 1 bag of ramen/day and practicing the rest.

Ya progamers still practice a lot now but they do it in a stable environment, really nice practice facility with plenty of staff, good food, beds, salary etc. It's really no comparison to how it used to be.
iloveoov / Flash / Fantasy / Midas / Boxer -BW forever
Mirror0423
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States175 Posts
May 24 2010 00:37 GMT
#120
on the subtitles, there were a few places it was a bit off.. just saying.
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 8 15 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
09:00
WardiTV Mondays #81
CranKy Ducklings93
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 8902
Shuttle 508
Zeus 441
Jaedong 327
actioN 327
BeSt 135
hero 120
EffOrt 117
Mini 108
Leta 94
[ Show more ]
scan(afreeca) 89
Soma 84
ToSsGirL 84
Dewaltoss 83
Sharp 76
Pusan 72
Hyun 68
Liquid`Ret 44
Shinee 32
Aegong 32
ZerO 30
Mong 27
sSak 27
Backho 21
sorry 19
JYJ 16
Sacsri 15
yabsab 14
ggaemo 13
soO 11
Shine 9
Noble 8
IntoTheRainbow 8
Sea.KH 6
Movie 5
Terrorterran 3
Dota 2
Gorgc3734
Fuzer 96
XcaliburYe75
League of Legends
JimRising 389
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1716
shoxiejesuss1049
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King99
Other Games
summit1g10768
B2W.Neo307
crisheroes278
Sick149
Lowko91
RuFF_SC27
ZerO(Twitch)7
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick699
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 397
UltimateBattle 72
lovetv 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH303
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP49
• LUISG 21
• musti20045 6
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt476
• Nemesis128
Other Games
• WagamamaTV224
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Spring Champion…
47m
OSC
2h 47m
Maestros of the Game
5h 17m
Serral vs Percival
SHIN vs ShoWTimE
Replay Cast
13h 47m
Replay Cast
22h 47m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 4h
Maestros of the Game
1d 5h
Clem vs Lambo
Zoun vs SKillous
Replay Cast
1d 13h
Replay Cast
1d 22h
Solar vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
[ Show More ]
Grudge Match
2 days
FlaShFTW vs A.Alm
OSC
2 days
GSL
2 days
herO vs Rogue
Maru vs Cure
Patches Events
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Maestros of the Game
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KK 2v2 League Season 1
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #3
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.