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Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
May 23 2010 23:38 GMT
#101
YouTube please.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
May 23 2010 23:38 GMT
#102
imma be honest. the commentators saying stuff seemed like they were just overreacting. i mean yeah they have the right to be pissed but outside of kingdom (who had the most mellow response) they didn't really help build up the sport. but the boxer+oov segment was amazing. especially oov's enthusiasm and his 100-year history metaphor. what great guys.

thanks for the translations.
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
May 23 2010 23:40 GMT
#103
On May 24 2010 08:35 Antisocialmunky wrote:
What were they referring to at the beginning with Shinae and Nal_ra swearing?


OGN has a TV Program where Shinae, Nal_ra and 2 other ex progamers play on battle.net. They're just saying Nal_ra when to film that program so he couldn't be there for the program.
Issor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States870 Posts
May 23 2010 23:41 GMT
#104
I'll seed for a day or so. Ep. 9 of Oldboy was seeded for about as long and I got a 40:1 ratio up:down, lol.

Thanks, subs team!
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 23 2010 23:43 GMT
#105
On May 24 2010 08:38 redtooth wrote:
imma be honest. the commentators saying stuff seemed like they were just overreacting. i mean yeah they have the right to be pissed but outside of kingdom (who had the most mellow response) they didn't really help build up the sport. but the boxer+oov segment was amazing. especially oov's enthusiasm and his 100-year history metaphor. what great guys.

thanks for the translations.

Those commentators have been covering Starcraft for a long long time. Their influence is arguably just as great. You can link it to someone like John Madden.

These guys have been around for a long time. Kim Carrier's known for being the biggest failure at predictions ever, and without commentators on OGN and MBC, Starcraft definitely wouldn't have garnered as great of an interest.
God Bless
kcaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada387 Posts
May 23 2010 23:44 GMT
#106
It's really unbelievable reading the things we all did with disbelief. How we all look up to BoxeR without even being able to speak his language (most of us anyways) and like OOV, saying he didn't even think about fixing games, that these guys grew up going to see them play and then to disgrace a scene so unique, just to get a little bit ahead, is just disgusting and they should be ashamed. But I think it can recover in time, and there's a bright future for e-sports. Let's be the unshakeable root guys.
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Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
May 23 2010 23:46 GMT
#107
On May 24 2010 07:21 Effort_FTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2010 06:58 weaksauce wrote:
i know he's hungry and all, but could they at least turn that guys mic down. i hate hearing people eat, slurp, chew, and talk with their mouth full.

what game are they talking about near the beginning?

"The overlord clearly saw the scv, but they didnt react to each other"


Pretty sure it was this one.



wow the descisionmaking there is like that of a D-player on iccup. and when he runs all his drones into the MnM squad.
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
May 23 2010 23:59 GMT
#108
This is the least eating I've seen on a K/J eating show. Epic.
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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
May 24 2010 00:02 GMT
#109
Having watched this I really don't know how to feel about this now.

I feel really bad for this to happen, even more so to fans of those players(How many savior fans are changing thar tl sigs now?) I was lucky, I wasn't a huge fan of any of these players however I did have a passing interest in go.go. I feel bad for the fans of the players most of all. Finding out your hero's are not who they seem is never a good time.

I've never even thought about the implications of teams possibly disbanding and the meaning that ACE had on the scene. This whole episode puts into light how serious this scandal really is.

Boxer and Oov standing up for the scene and holding strong, if the fans are the roots, then Boxer and oov is the ground they are in.

Thanks tl subs. You guys rock.
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
May 24 2010 00:13 GMT
#110
man ... all of them .. all of their points made sense .. i say do it harshly and make an example for the rest of league not to engage in these types of betting ..
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 00:18:00
May 24 2010 00:16 GMT
#111
On May 24 2010 09:02 Parnage wrote:
Having watched this I really don't know how to feel about this now.

I feel really bad for this to happen, even more so to fans of those players(How many savior fans are changing thar tl sigs now?) I was lucky, I wasn't a huge fan of any of these players however I did have a passing interest in go.go. I feel bad for the fans of the players most of all. Finding out your hero's are not who they seem is never a good time.

I've never even thought about the implications of teams possibly disbanding and the meaning that ACE had on the scene. This whole episode puts into light how serious this scandal really is.

Boxer and Oov standing up for the scene and holding strong, if the fans are the roots, then Boxer and oov is the ground they are in.

Thanks tl subs. You guys rock.


shit man, totally forgot that I need to change my sig
edit: done...
beep boop
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
May 24 2010 00:19 GMT
#112
On May 24 2010 08:38 redtooth wrote:
imma be honest. the commentators saying stuff seemed like they were just overreacting. i mean yeah they have the right to be pissed but outside of kingdom (who had the most mellow response) they didn't really help build up the sport. but the boxer+oov segment was amazing. especially oov's enthusiasm and his 100-year history metaphor. what great guys.

thanks for the translations.


didn't really help build esport?

they made it into a spectator game .. they are like the spices in the ingredients .. its just different when you watch VoDs w/o commentators. you might have said that because you can't understand what they commentate but look at how the game is beef'd up with commentaries by commentator you actually understand, like those in TSL or GOM ..
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
baeracaed
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States604 Posts
May 24 2010 00:20 GMT
#113
This video got me pretty emo. T T
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lone_hydra
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada1460 Posts
May 24 2010 00:25 GMT
#114
I couldn't help but feel but carrier and the guy in the middle were overemotional for the camera. I'm pretty sure they are legitimately mad, but imo, they were overacting for the camera.

Boxer was legit. Looked like he was about to break down at one point. Guy loves e-sports like a baby. Boxer forever.
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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
May 24 2010 00:28 GMT
#115
On May 24 2010 09:25 lone_hydra wrote:
I couldn't help but feel but carrier and the guy in the middle were overemotional for the camera. I'm pretty sure they are legitimately mad, but imo, they were overacting for the camera.

Boxer was legit. Looked like he was about to break down at one point. Guy loves e-sports like a baby. Boxer forever.


these two also put in 10 years of their freakin life into esports, and, while I dont know about Kim Carrier, the fat dude was also a player himself at one point, so why on earth would you think that they are overemotional and that they dont love e-sports like boxer does.
beep boop
pR0gR4m3R
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain1446 Posts
May 24 2010 00:29 GMT
#116
On May 24 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              24 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:25 lone_hydra wrote:
I couldn't help but feel but carrier and the guy in the middle were overemotional for the camera. I'm pretty sure they are legitimately mad, but imo, they were overacting for the camera.

Boxer was legit. Looked like he was about to break down at one point. Guy loves e-sports like a baby. Boxer forever.


Carrier is quite direct, and when he talks, I feel how much he cares and loves the scene, and how everything is hurting even the commentators

Quite surprising for me when Kingdom says that "player enviroment" is better now than in his old days. Shit!! nowadays, when kids play 12/14 straight hours, how it was in his prime???
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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-24 00:32:35
May 24 2010 00:32 GMT
#117
On May 24 2010 09:29 pR0gR4m3R wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 24 2010 09 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:25 lone_hydra wrote:
I couldn't help but feel but carrier and the guy in the middle were overemotional for the camera. I'm pretty sure they are legitimately mad, but imo, they were overacting for the camera.

Boxer was legit. Looked like he was about to break down at one point. Guy loves e-sports like a baby. Boxer forever.


Carrier is quite direct, and when he talks, I feel how much he cares and loves the scene, and how everything is hurting even the commentators

Quite surprising for me when Kingdom says that "player enviroment" is better now than in his old days. Shit!! nowadays, when kids play 12/14 straight hours, how it was in his prime???


Like he says, these guys had to stick together and buy food from the money they won in tourneys.
Nowadays, while they still work a whole lot, they get to live in somewhat comfortable buildings and get food for free and have contracts with a monthly salary.
beep boop
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
May 24 2010 00:36 GMT
#118
Downloading I like how there's so much coverage of this scandal.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
ii.blitzkrieg
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada1122 Posts
May 24 2010 00:37 GMT
#119
On May 24 2010 09:29 pR0gR4m3R wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2010 09 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              24 2010 09      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:25 lone_hydra wrote:
I couldn't help but feel but carrier and the guy in the middle were overemotional for the camera. I'm pretty sure they are legitimately mad, but imo, they were overacting for the camera.

Boxer was legit. Looked like he was about to break down at one point. Guy loves e-sports like a baby. Boxer forever.


Carrier is quite direct, and when he talks, I feel how much he cares and loves the scene, and how everything is hurting even the commentators

Quite surprising for me when Kingdom says that "player enviroment" is better now than in his old days. Shit!! nowadays, when kids play 12/14 straight hours, how it was in his prime???


This has been talked about on TL a fair amount in the past.

Like Kingdom said there was small teams and they paid their rent/food etc with tournament winnings of a couple players. Xellos is famous and well respected for this he gave up a lot of his own money to keep the team together. I think I remember a boxer interview or maybe it was his autobiography when he was talking about practically living in a pc bang and eating 1 bag of ramen/day and practicing the rest.

Ya progamers still practice a lot now but they do it in a stable environment, really nice practice facility with plenty of staff, good food, beds, salary etc. It's really no comparison to how it used to be.
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Mirror0423
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States175 Posts
May 24 2010 00:37 GMT
#120
on the subtitles, there were a few places it was a bit off.. just saying.
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