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On May 24 2010 07:54 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 07:52 BlackMagister wrote:
I'm also annoyed they didn't talk about the reasoning behind it like in that article, but I was also confused why they didn't talk about specific players. They mention Hwasin and go.go, but don't talk about Savior? I'm curious about the fate of Sparkyz considering how many players were indicated, but that wasn't mentioned either. Possibly due to this being a OGN show? Would this mean that Sparkyz is likely to stay because OGN is a station that broadcasts SC vs if Sparkyz's sponsor was a regular company.
I liked that I was able to hear their opinions, but it unfortunately didn't add much info or even stimulate an interesting debate. I did however like their opening points about how ACE being involved could damage the entire E-Sports industry's image. Oh they mentioned Savior. You know that guy who has his picture up celebrating? That's Savior. The picture they want to tear down? That's Savior.
Yeah they mention him indirectly by mentioning those who've won and found rigging matches have their portraits taken down, but it could about Luxury too. I meant how they don't or barely mention how specific players being involved affected things such as Savior's status as an E-Sport icon. Like they also talk about how they've met these players, but don't say anything more than that.
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I gotta say I have been feeling pretty good lately and after seeing this the mix of emotions I have is making me feel terrible.
I feel ashamed on behalf of those who cheated.
I feel worried that this will have a bigger impact than most people think (though I personally think bw will survive and do just fine, I can't ignore the thoughts in the back of my head.)
After hearing kingdom and oov talk about the old days and how bad conditions were, what they went through to get to this point and how these cheaters have utterly zero respect for their sacrifices. On one hand I feel sadness and on the other I feel sheer unadulterated rage. If the cheaters were here in front of me I honestly don't know what I would do.
... and I'm a fan, I haven't invested countless hours of my life working my ass off for a chance progaming would succeed. I can't imagine how people intimately involved feel about this but I got a glimpse of it through this show... I feel fucking terrible right now
Ahhhh I want to fucking see these faggots on tv begging for forgiveness
I am glad to see boxer and oov looking at the situation in a good light though, it gives me confidence to hear them talk like that.
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Roffles
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On May 24 2010 08:00 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 07:54 Roffles wrote:On May 24 2010 07:52 BlackMagister wrote:
I'm also annoyed they didn't talk about the reasoning behind it like in that article, but I was also confused why they didn't talk about specific players. They mention Hwasin and go.go, but don't talk about Savior? I'm curious about the fate of Sparkyz considering how many players were indicated, but that wasn't mentioned either. Possibly due to this being a OGN show? Would this mean that Sparkyz is likely to stay because OGN is a station that broadcasts SC vs if Sparkyz's sponsor was a regular company.
I liked that I was able to hear their opinions, but it unfortunately didn't add much info or even stimulate an interesting debate. I did however like their opening points about how ACE being involved could damage the entire E-Sports industry's image. Oh they mentioned Savior. You know that guy who has his picture up celebrating? That's Savior. The picture they want to tear down? That's Savior. Yeah they mention him indirectly by mentioning those who've won and found rigging matches have their portraits taken down, but it could about Luxury too. I meant how they don't or barely mention how specific players being involved affected things such as Savior's status as an E-Sport icon.
Lux won a MSL, not an OSL. They're broadcasting at OGN, not MBC. They mention Savior's status as an icon in the line "If you look at the list of players involved, they were all rising stars". Then the next line says "You don't even need to talk about <beep>"
They pretty clearly state their opinions. They're trying NOT to reveal specific names here, but it's pretty blatantly obvious who they're referring to.
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Thank you so much TL.net. THX  
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On May 24 2010 07:21 Effort_FTW wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2010 06:58 weaksauce wrote:
i know he's hungry and all, but could they at least turn that guys mic down. i hate hearing people eat, slurp, chew, and talk with their mouth full.
what game are they talking about near the beginning?
"The overlord clearly saw the scv, but they didnt react to each other" Pretty sure it was this one.
wow.. what a ridiculous game...
fuck man.. look at calm and his coach, the emotions they go through watching their teammate, feeling for them...
hwasin coulda just told them "LULLLLZZ I ALREADY ARRANGED IT WITH LUXURY HYUNG THAT I'M GONNA WIN"
and yeah the savior parts were pretty obvious
Also it was interesting the way they talk and how they come up with these great metaphors, very interesting
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It was really sad to see them have to apologize.
A lot less people seemed to have showed up to this osl compared to last. Very unfortunate.
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On May 24 2010 08:03 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 08:00 BlackMagister wrote:On May 24 2010 07:54 Roffles wrote:On May 24 2010 07:52 BlackMagister wrote:
I'm also annoyed they didn't talk about the reasoning behind it like in that article, but I was also confused why they didn't talk about specific players. They mention Hwasin and go.go, but don't talk about Savior? I'm curious about the fate of Sparkyz considering how many players were indicated, but that wasn't mentioned either. Possibly due to this being a OGN show? Would this mean that Sparkyz is likely to stay because OGN is a station that broadcasts SC vs if Sparkyz's sponsor was a regular company.
I liked that I was able to hear their opinions, but it unfortunately didn't add much info or even stimulate an interesting debate. I did however like their opening points about how ACE being involved could damage the entire E-Sports industry's image. Oh they mentioned Savior. You know that guy who has his picture up celebrating? That's Savior. The picture they want to tear down? That's Savior. Yeah they mention him indirectly by mentioning those who've won and found rigging matches have their portraits taken down, but it could about Luxury too. I meant how they don't or barely mention how specific players being involved affected things such as Savior's status as an E-Sport icon. Lux won a MSL, not an OSL. They're broadcasting at OGN, not MBC. They mention Savior's status as an icon in the line "If you look at the list of players involved, they were all rising stars". Then the next line says "You don't even need to talk about <beep>" They pretty clearly state their opinions. They're trying NOT to reveal specific names here, but it's pretty blatantly obvious who they're referring to.
Yeah I know that Luxury won an MSL and they're OGN, but I was just taking it as what should be done in general for E-Sports. I didn't realize they were intentionally not revealing the names with bleeps. I thought they were just swear saying the names, as I had to watch this with no audio.
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Thx for the work and traslation guys
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On May 24 2010 08:05 kyophan wrote:
It was really sad to see them have to apologize.
A lot less people seemed to have showed up to this osl compared to last. Very unfortunate.
The turnout was still rather remarkable. It would have been a GREAT success had they not had technical failures.
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To those who can't recognize the commentators ... can someone point out who is who?
Left, center, and right.
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you guys are awesome, and ppl go download from torrent, the more ppl that download the faster it goes! if you actually bother to spend some upload on it that is
sharing is caring!
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What an emotional episode. First of all, thank you roffles, milkis, kennigit and whoever helped with releasing this episode. 2nd...screw you match fixers 
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On May 24 2010 08:09 lac29 wrote:
To those who can't recognize the commentators ... can someone point out who is who?
Left, center, and right.
Left - Kim Carrier
Center - Uhm JaeGyung
Right - Kingdom (Park Yong Wook)
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On May 24 2010 08:05 kyophan wrote:
It was really sad to see them have to apologize.
A lot less people seemed to have showed up to this osl compared to last. Very unfortunate.
12000 people showed up.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=126959
Except you know...... I'm not too sure if it was all such a good thing in the end. People turned up, but pretty was were treated like crap, apparently.
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On May 24 2010 08:11 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2010 08:09 lac29 wrote:
To those who can't recognize the commentators ... can someone point out who is who?
Left, center, and right. Left - Kim Carrier Center - Uhm JaeGyung Right - Kingdom (Park Yong Wook)
Thanks Roffles!
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Thanks for the subs on this! This was a very somber minutes.
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Thanks for the work TL subs!
I was really looking forward to seeing a progamer insight on this incident. Boxer and oov's interviews were really touching, seeing how what they helped create stumble with this incident T_T
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Fews days ago, I was thinking like Korea wasnt realizing the critical situation this scandal is providing, but after watching the video, it seems like they´re hanging the "crisis" in the best way possible to "clean" the scene and continue with a new fresh legacy of players
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What were they referring to at the beginning with Shinae and Nal_ra swearing?
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I wish there were some way we foreigner fans can still show that we support e-sports. Maybe a letter or e-mail or something signed by all of us.
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