EPTAnd yeah, definitely was on the verge of tears watching this.
[TL Subs] After Talk - Betting Scandal - Page 14
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Mazer
Canada1086 Posts
And yeah, definitely was on the verge of tears watching this. | ||
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gaizka
United States991 Posts
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On May 25 2010 18:52 Vei wrote: This was absolutely ridiculous, wow. Life sentence for betting? I would love to see a video from the gamers' perspective, on their living conditions and etc. Talking about their living conditions to the old progamers like Kingdom, Ra, Boxer, and Yellow? Are you kidding? those guys had it MUCH worse than the modern day progamers. Ever heard of the stories of XellOs who would use his winnings to support his team? Yeah, they did that instead of spending money from match-rigging on stuff like Gucci and whores. >_> These new progamers have basically nothing to say about their conditions compared to the old progamers. | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
the commentary by boxer was awesome | ||
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bludragen88
United States527 Posts
Also, do you think Kim Carrier has thought about the fact that maybe his predictions were involved in the match rigging (Obviously not rigging games himself, but maybe thats why in that one part he talks about feeling like he was involved unintentionally)? If I were a casual fan and I saw a famous commentator being like "This guy will definitely make it to semis", I would totally bet on that guy... | ||
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Eloquent
United States475 Posts
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On May 26 2010 07:29 ghrur wrote: Talking about their living conditions to the old progamers like Kingdom, Ra, Boxer, and Yellow? Are you kidding? those guys had it MUCH worse than the modern day progamers. Ever heard of the stories of XellOs who would use his winnings to support his team? Yeah, they did that instead of spending money from match-rigging on stuff like Gucci and whores. >_> These new progamers have basically nothing to say about their conditions compared to the old progamers. I'm sure you're right but I'd still like to hear the facts from their side. That said, the two progamers who talked at the end were really good (who was the guy who wasn't Boxer?)... the three main guys I thought were absolutely pathetic. They spent 30 minutes just complaining, insulting, and raging on the people who fixed (and I assume they were bleeping out sAviOrs name or something?), all the while one of them is too fucking fat to put down the fork for 40 god damn minutes to do a TV show he's being paid for -- disgusting. The way Boxer and the other gamer spoke, briefly, expressing their disappointment but focusing more on the fans and regaining their trust, was much more commendable than the childish derision the three hosts were partaking for THIRTY minutes. To be fair though, at one point the fat guy said he'd give him a slap if he was next to him and the flannel'd guy said something like only a slap? to which he commendably responded, if not a slap what else is there? That guy at least had some sort of level-headedness to it, realizing that yes they were completely dishonorable and the punishment they will receive is the lack of respect from any of their peers; meanwhile the flannel guy was just straight going on about life sentences, tattoos across the face, and I'm sure in his mind he was wishing for physical injury. | ||
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Tempest[OEC]
United States417 Posts
On May 26 2010 08:18 Vei wrote: I'm sure you're right but I'd still like to hear the facts from their side. That said, the two progamers who talked at the end were really good (who was the guy who wasn't Boxer?)... the three main guys I thought were absolutely pathetic. They spent 30 minutes just complaining, insulting, and raging on the people who fixed (and I assume they were bleeping out sAviOrs name or something?), all the while one of them is too fucking fat to put down the fork for 40 god damn minutes to do a TV show he's being paid for -- disgusting. The way Boxer and the other gamer spoke, briefly, expressing their disappointment but focusing more on the fans and regaining their trust, was much more commendable than the childish derision the three hosts were partaking for THIRTY minutes. To be fair though, at one point the fat guy said he'd give him a slap if he was next to him and the flannel'd guy said something like only a slap? to which he commendably responded, if not a slap what else is there? That guy at least had some sort of level-headedness to it, realizing that yes they were completely dishonorable and the punishment they will receive is the lack of respect from any of their peers; meanwhile the flannel guy was just straight going on about life sentences, tattoos across the face, and I'm sure in his mind he was wishing for physical injury. They were venting their rage at the fact that those progamers rigged games. The three guys commenting actually knew some of those progamers so Id say that gives them every right to be angry. If you watched, you would notice that they comment on how they are trying to get the fans attention as well and apologizing. As for the bleeping, it was swear words. They mentioned no specific names in the scandal. | ||
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kyophan
United States113 Posts
On May 26 2010 08:18 Vei wrote: I'm sure you're right but I'd still like to hear the facts from their side. That said, the two progamers who talked at the end were really good (who was the guy who wasn't Boxer?)... the three main guys I thought were absolutely pathetic. They spent 30 minutes just complaining, insulting, and raging on the people who fixed (and I assume they were bleeping out sAviOrs name or something?), all the while one of them is too fucking fat to put down the fork for 40 god damn minutes to do a TV show he's being paid for -- disgusting. The way Boxer and the other gamer spoke, briefly, expressing their disappointment but focusing more on the fans and regaining their trust, was much more commendable than the childish derision the three hosts were partaking for THIRTY minutes. To be fair though, at one point the fat guy said he'd give him a slap if he was next to him and the flannel'd guy said something like only a slap? to which he commendably responded, if not a slap what else is there? That guy at least had some sort of level-headedness to it, realizing that yes they were completely dishonorable and the punishment they will receive is the lack of respect from any of their peers; meanwhile the flannel guy was just straight going on about life sentences, tattoos across the face, and I'm sure in his mind he was wishing for physical injury. People express their dissapointment in different ways. Being emotional is a natural quality of a commentator, so of course they will react with strong emotions. | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
On MaY 26 2010 08:18 Vei wrote: I'm sure you're right but I'd still like to hear the facts from their Side. That SaiD, the two progamers who talked at the End were Really good (who was the guy who wasn't BoxeR?) that was  iloveoov, BoxeR's pupil, and an SKT player-coach (maybe he's Just a coach now?) | ||
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VerticalHorizon
United States415 Posts
Secondly, I don't understand why so many people are hating on the commentators for being "overly dramatic." I see that there are a few people who don't even recognize the commentators or iloveoov lol. As a fan of SC since 1998, let me just tell you guys that these commentators have every right to be as upset as they are. The guy on the left, Kim Carrier, and the guy in the middle, Um Jaekyung the Overlord, are fucking historical ICONS in the course of professional gaming, as big in their own way as any of the progamers who have come and gone. Kim Carrier's rational, interesting analysis of the gameflow, Um Jaekyung's plethora of facts/data/interesting trivia... these are the hallmarks of SC commentating. They were among the FIRST EVER to commentate and they worked as hard as anyone in building the industry today. Also, this whole show is supposed to have the informal, chatting-among-friends type vibe. THey're not just playing for the camera, they're chilling with each other. You realize that those three in there have known each other through SC for a DECADE now... of course they will be dramatic and feel free to release some of their more honest, hidden emotions. When I get pissed about something that's dear to me and vent to my friends, I know that I don't have to restrain myself because they understand, they are willing to listen. Through this episode, they let us see them as not just commentators, but true fans and supporters of E-sports who were venting to each other. Ease up with the hate. These guys have done more for the industry than you can ever know, especially you young fans. **************** Another thing I don't understand in this thread is how everyone is talking about how it's "understandable" that these guys took some money to throw matches. Uh... what? Some of you have a seriously fucked up moral compass if you think that betraying your fans, your supporters, and tarnishing the integrity of your profession is justifiable if you're poor enough. Yes, these guys DO have it easier than 10 years ago. You wanna know about 4Union living in a shittyass apt scrounging for sponsorships and living day by day, never knowing when they'd have to lose the dream? What about Xellos paying out of pocket for the youngins on his team, knowing that every victory he won as the Perfect Terran was LITERALLY feeding the other kids on his team? What about the satisfaction and the glory of SKTelecom T1, when all of us cheered because Boxer FINALLY got the sponsorship he deserved from a corporation as huge and impressive as SKT? Okay, so these young gamers of today STILL have it pretty hard. But guess what... iloveoov said it best in this video: oov said: As a Progamer, it's not about the law but more about morality. It's more about ethics... Dude, if you can't handle the shitty living conditions of being a C-teamer struggling to win your license or something... don't fucking do it. Just go to college or get a job at McDonald's and have a nice, stable life. Progaming is not like selling dope in the hood or becoming a child soldier in Cambodia. In those cases, many people are born into an environment which gives them no choice. These kids have a CHOICE not to lead this life, no one is forcing some ten-year-old kid to become a progamer. For him to bitch about his poverty and throw matches to make an extra few grand a year is RETARDED because he shouldn't be a progamer if he can't handle the conditions. I mean... seriously? You guys are getting mad the commentators for bitching out these match-fixers because you sympathize with their living conditions? Jeez, if the living conditions were a huge problem, they could either QUIT BEING A PROGAMER or take some POSITIVE action like a progamers' union or something. Match fixing should never be justified by poverty because, as oov said, it's not about legality, it's about ETHICS. It's about what is ultimately RIGHT and WRONG and betraying the trust of people who ADORE you for your gaming skills, fucking over an industry in its infancy that tons of people worked together to build, and in general LYING to everyone who is watching you on TV is just plain WRONG. ************* Finally, gonna end this post with a final quote by oov because it just shows what a fucking BALLER Boxer is. oov said And because I had Boxer who didn't even come close to the borders of ethics, I got to watch him and learn from him. This exemplifies the true professional athlete for me. Someone who loves the game so goddamn much that they don't even stray NEAR the lines of ethics, they don't even go NEAR that gray area between right and wrong. Because sports, in its ideal form, IS pure. It's competition and brilliance in its rawest, most untainted form. Boxer <3 | ||
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AncienTs
Japan227 Posts
the bit about ACE sounds really serious! | ||
Milkis
5003 Posts
I guess it is my fault for not making the context of the show more clear. "After Talk", after all, really is a really odd translation (Back Talk/After Talk are both literal translations). What's probably closer is "Backstage Talk" or something like that just pretty much tells you that it's just a show where the commentators just talk about things casually without that much regards. Normally the topic of conversation is VERY off topic, this was a very special episode in that they talked about one topic the entire time. Usually they're just hanging out, chilling, wherever they decide to host it (Episode 19, the episode before this, was a camping episode), and then they talk about Starcraft now and then, probably like a bunch of people who work the same job talking about what's going on in the industry. It's supposed to be 100% informal, relaxed etc. I apologize that I didn't make that clear and didn't provide the adequate context since it's clear that it's stirring up quite some bit of misunderstandings. (ie, that's why the "Fat guy" (Uhm Jaegyung) is just eating the entire time, and why they even have food there to begin with) | ||
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chocopan
Japan986 Posts
second, i was going to make some comments replying to people who thought the guys were too harsh, or insane, or taking everything to seriously, or whatever; but yeah, verticalhorizon did a way better job than i possibly could; so big thanks to verticalh i guess - thanks for taking the time just remember, korea is a different culture, its just not the same thing; and sc progaming is at a different stage there from where it is in america. try and imagine say, i don't know, day[9] at 35, he's spent a decade or more building the rep of e-sports in the US, it's really starting to take off after years and years of often entirely unpaid and rewarded work by people like him, major sponsors starting to appear - and then there is some major scandal and the image of the sport is trashed, the internets are aflame and the sponsors are running for the hills... thats the kind of position they are speaking from, when they are so upset. anyway vh said it better. - thanks again for the vid/subs! | ||
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IndecisivePenguin
United States771 Posts
So I will simply say thank you to the TL Translating Team, you guys do so much for us. Without you, TL can not be where it is today. Thank you to the Team Liquid community. Although a member or two may bring us down, I have always liked to think of this place as another home of mine. You guys are great. And thank you to Boxer and iloveOOv, all the veterans of StarCraft and E-sports alike, and to the current players now playing with the same heart and passion that made this scene great. Look at how emotional the video made me. Oh well.  TL Fighting!~ StarCraft Fighting!~ E-Sports Fighting!~ | ||
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Lightningbullet
United States507 Posts
BoxeR FOREVER! I couldn't have had more respect than when I watched him describe his feelings. iloveoov was pretty awesome too. BTW, the commentators had perfect  Sense! I don't fuckin' get why you are disturbed about there chewing. Maybe its cuz that i'm chinese and I'm used to it, but this is a social talk, not the Presidential inauguaration! Even though Kim Carrier was a Tiny bit too radical. they made perfect Sense. If you understand Korean culture, then you'd know why they were so upset. Just think! They're not overreacting. This scandal has the potential to End E-sports, sponsorship, and Starcraft gaming forever! Guys, read and think before you post like a stupid idiot!!! BUt seriously, awesome video and thank you guys soooo much for the translations. Oh yeah, and could one of you go check sAviOr's fansite right now. I wanna know what they're saying. Thanks! :D | ||
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IndecisivePenguin
United States771 Posts
On May 26 2010 12:57 Lightningbullet wrote: BoxeR FOREVER! I couldn't have had more respect than when I watched him describe his feelings. iloveoov was pretty awesome too. BTW, the commentators had perfect Sense! I don't fuckin' get why you are disturbed about there chewing. Maybe its cuz that i'm chinese and I'm used to it, but this is a social talk, not the Presidential inauguaration! Even though Kim Carrier was a Tiny bit too radical. they made perfect Sense. If you understand Korean culture, then you'd know why they were so upset. Just think! They're not overreacting. This scandal has the potential to End E-sports, sponsorship, and Starcraft gaming forever! Guys, read and think before you post like a stupid idiot!!! BUt seriously, awesome video and thank you guys soooo much for the translations. Oh yeah, and could one of you go check sAviOr's fansite right now. I wanna know what they're saying. Thanks! :DOh man HAHAHA. Auto-TLPD doesn't end well most of the time. | ||
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Budzlight
United States578 Posts
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
I personally am not concerned about the future of E-Sports from all this. It's just an inevitable speed bump in the development process. People that enjoy competitive Starcraft will continue to do so. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
it's completely legitimate | ||
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