Wow....this makes me feel really bad for the majority of the pro gamers who are pure and passionate for the game. Their conditions are bad, but their elders suffered worse trying to create such a scene for them to enjoy.

Effort_FTW

United States79 Posts

May 23 2010 22:21 GMT

#63

On May 24 2010 06:58 weaksauce wrote:
i know he's hungry and all, but could they at least turn that guys mic down. i hate hearing people eat, slurp, chew, and talk with their mouth full.

what game are they talking about near the beginning?

"The overlord clearly saw the scv, but they didnt react to each other"

Pretty sure it was this one.

Sprouter

United States1724 Posts

May 23 2010 22:22 GMT

#64

i'm pretty surprised at how disturbed the esports elite are. goes to show how passionate they are in korea and how people live or die on how well esports do. this scandal is far from over.

thanks TL sub team!

XsebT

Denmark2980 Posts

May 23 2010 22:23 GMT

#65

This was so good to watch! It really made me realize the reality of the situation in a way I have not been able to before.
Thanks a lot to the sub team for their amazing effort once again!

7mk

Germany10157 Posts

May 23 2010 22:23 GMT

#66

OK watched the whole thing

had to smirk when I read dagger and hear bisu.

Anyways it's interesting to see their reaction.
As someone from a far away country looking at the conditions of these pro gamers I sometimes had thoughts like "oh well but they dont make that much money (excluding savior) considering how much they work"etc.
For some reason I was surprised about how harsh especially Kim Carrier was, but it makes sense since these people have been building up esports to the point where it is now. I think it's even more heartbreaking for them than it is for the fans.

Zionner

Scotland112 Posts

May 23 2010 22:24 GMT

#67

Wow... That was really sad =(

I never realised just how much this has affected E-Sports, It's a real shame.

cncbmb

238 Posts

May 23 2010 22:26 GMT

#68

On May 24 2010 07:21 Effort_FTW wrote:

Show nested quote +

Pretty sure it was this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFbDk09DKWc

When I watch that now, Luxury looks evil, kinda of a shady figure since we found out about the scandal..

Caos2

United States1728 Posts

May 23 2010 22:28 GMT

#69

Thanks!

Aylear

Norway3988 Posts

May 23 2010 22:38 GMT

#70

Wweeeelll, I have to admit, this did manage to get me a little teary-eyed. The ending interviews with Boxer and iloveoov were especially potent for some reason. Maybe because I followed their pursuit of their eSports dream since they first started, and I shared their victories and defeats. Seeing them this enthusiastic about the sport after all these years is really touching, and it shows - in just a few minutes worth of video - just how much passion they've had for making this amazing culture succeed. That really rekindled my ire over what these younger players have done to damage their efforts.

I for one am so not done watching StarCraft.

Mykill

Canada3402 Posts

May 23 2010 22:41 GMT

#71

ah waiting for youtube to go up!

thank you very much!

sukila

Germany57 Posts

May 23 2010 22:43 GMT

#72

they are mentioning that ACE was involved. they prolly mean darkelf. i thought he just rigged matches while being at cj....am i wrong?

Boundz(DarKo)

5311 Posts

May 23 2010 22:46 GMT

#73

Having read this already and then seeing this video makes me feel a bit uneased.

The three commentators never take the time to ask the question WHY the gamers would do this, they never once in this video talk about why the gamers would risk their progaming career (without only blaming the players themselves for being young and stupid). All they say is that these are kids that ruin what the oldschool players built up with pride for the game. I'm sure these kids did not start playing starcraft as progamers just because they wanted to make illegal bets and *find out what starcraft is*, I believe all players do it for the passion of the game and the love of starcraft... being a top starcraft player you have to have passion for the game.

They talk about illegal betting and how it has "always been there" but they don't discuss the fact that some of these players are really young, it's highly unlikely they found the betting sites themselves, they were contacted by the betting sites and perhaps they should not take the full blame. This is an industry (the progaming scene in korea) and they are kids, they are not payed like adults even though the work really hard, perhaps they should have been told these things by adults or atleast being supervised better (by coaches, mentors?) - their parents are not in the progaming house.

Having said all this it's still a huge shame that anyone would do this, although it's not surprising at all considering how the progaming business looks like in korea.

I as a fan, will still support progaming. I love starcraft. Progaming has to start support the gamers.

Wedge

Canada580 Posts

May 23 2010 22:48 GMT

#74

Good stuff, thanks goes out to the subbing team, love seeing how things are viewed and interpreted in Korea. On a sidenote, I just love how the food is there and nobody seems to have much of an appetite except on the bigger guy, makes me hungry.

BlackMagister

United States5834 Posts

May 23 2010 22:52 GMT

#75

I'm also annoyed they didn't talk about the reasoning behind it like in that article, but I was also confused why they didn't talk about specific players. They mention Hwasin and go.go, but don't talk about Savior? I'm curious about the fate of Sparkyz considering how many players were indicated, but that wasn't mentioned either. Possibly due to this being a OGN show? Would this mean that Sparkyz is likely to stay because OGN is a station that broadcasts SC vs if Sparkyz's sponsor was a regular company.

I liked that I was able to hear their opinions, but it unfortunately didn't add much info or even stimulate an interesting debate. I did however like their opening points about how ACE being involved could damage the entire E-Sports industry's image.

Rekrul

Korea (South)17174 Posts

May 23 2010 22:54 GMT

#76

oov is such a baller, nothing has changed indeed

Xiphos

Canada7507 Posts

May 23 2010 22:54 GMT

#77

I think if Starcraft E-sport can survive this, it can survive anything. And by the way how many people were at the OSL final?

Roffles

Pitcairn19291 Posts

May 23 2010 22:54 GMT

#78

On May 24 2010 07:52 BlackMagister wrote:
I'm also annoyed they didn't talk about the reasoning behind it like in that article, but I was also confused why they didn't talk about specific players. They mention Hwasin and go.go, but don't talk about Savior? I'm curious about the fate of Sparkyz considering how many players were indicated, but that wasn't mentioned either. Possibly due to this being a OGN show? Would this mean that Sparkyz is likely to stay because OGN is a station that broadcasts SC vs if Sparkyz's sponsor was a regular company.

I liked that I was able to hear their opinions, but it unfortunately didn't add much info or even stimulate an interesting debate. I did however like their opening points about how ACE being involved could damage the entire E-Sports industry's image.

Oh they mentioned Savior. You know that guy who has his picture up celebrating? That's Savior. The picture they want to tear down? That's Savior.