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On January 24 2010 02:34 Sepiraph wrote:
Not sure what is dumber, the fact that they didn't re-game or that they didn't have UPS as backup. If the blackout happened earlier right after Flash took out JD's 1 o'clock, would you agree that the game would be awarded to Flash instead?
Well, Flash didn't have the equivalent of 12 cows or running off the equilvalent of zerg 3 base.
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On January 24 2010 02:34 Sepiraph wrote:
Not sure what is dumber, the fact that they didn't re-game or that they didn't have UPS as backup. If the blackout happened earlier right after Flash took out JD's 1 o'clock, would you agree that the game would be awarded to Flash instead?
well those are completely different situations. Jaedong wasn`t exactly doomed after that, as he proved it.
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I agree with the decision made by KESPA, but at the same time I feel like i might have missed out on something awesome. I mean just consider the game before. Jaedong had 4 gas pretty much secured, and Flash could've taken out one of the island at best. And that's what the Korean commentators were saying. That the dropship needs to go to 9 or 12 o clock to destroy one of the gas. BUT Flash decided to just drop in Jaedong's base. A decision not easily makeable by any other terran, but due to Flash's amazingly quick at the same time optimal decision making, he was able to come back from that.
Yes there was a little help from Jaedong on losing the guardians, but nonetheless it was a fantastic play by flash. Sure flash might not have won, sure jaedong probably would've won out at the end, but i would've LOVED to see if Flash could try something brilliant. A Flash move....
But i guess i can't complain. Jaedong deserved the win more than Flash deserved the rematch...
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I don't understand why people are focusing on the decision to give jaedong the win in game 3. They were in a no-win situation and had to choose an option. The true mistake by kespa was making them play the rest of the games immediately after. They didn't just hand jaedong game 3, they handed him the series. Flash looked broken and demoralized in game 4; I haven't seen him look so clueless since stork thrashed him 3-0 in a bronze medal match a couple years ago. If they ruled in favor of a regame, I have no doubt in my mind that jaedong would have been affected just as much, as his advantage (not to mention the HUGE momentum/adrenaline boost of that incredible 7:00 defense) gets completely negated and he has to play again on the terran-favored map.
They should have postponed the rest of the series for some arbitrary amount of time to let the players' emotions cool down.
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What could have been the best series of all time turned into the worst series of all time, amazing.
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I am so disapointed after watching the vods.  Not, because I think any decision is wrong or right, just because it seemed, that noone was enyoing the finals after game 3 anymore. Even JD didnt look too happy at the end.
I dont want to join the complaints about Kespas decision but I cant sit here without saying/writing, that I am totally disappointed after a MSL final with Flash and JD!
Hope they meet again soon !!
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Jaedong really was in the lead, but that was such a shitty situation.
Pretty fail power outage.
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On January 24 2010 02:44 city42 wrote:
I don't understand why people are focusing on the decision to give jaedong the win in game 3. They were in a no-win situation and had to choose an option. The true mistake by kespa was making them play the rest of the games immediately after. They didn't just hand jaedong game 3, they handed him the series. Flash looked broken and demoralized in game 4; I haven't seen him look so clueless since stork thrashed him 3-0 in a bronze medal match a couple years ago. If they ruled in favor of a regame, I have no doubt in my mind that jaedong would have been affected just as much, as his advantage (not to mention the HUGE momentum/adrenaline boost of that incredible 7:00 defense) gets completely negated and he has to play again on the terran-favored map.
They should have postponed the rest of the series for some arbitrary amount of time to let the players' emotions cool down.
yeah, that probably would've been a better option, but the mind games are part of the game itself: who handles the pressure better, wins. Thats the unique thing about a Bo5.
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honestly, many players before got disqualified or got auto lose for things far worst and much more ambiguous than that, people should just acknowledge the fact that Jaedong had this, weather it's Flash or not, he's not playing Baxter, and he's not Boxer with 3 dropship and immortal mm. It was a straight game, Flash was about to get run over by Jaedong, and he had no way to win this unless Jaedong sacrifices all his unit while losing his 2 expands, come on...
Regame would have been a hold up, and from what we have seen, Jaedong was better today.
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I think it's a sound argument that JD was technically ahead, but if Flash proved anything DURING the controversial game it's that he is able to deal with dark swarm and ultras. In case no one remembers, Flash was pretty much all but dead in game 2 using a seemingly flimsy SK terran style build against guardians / DOZENS of sunken colonies...and look what happened.
In game three Jae dong had made no ground against Flash even with full hive tech...the only reason people assume Jaedong was ahead was because of Flash's economy. Game one was incredible by Jae dong but game 3 and even game 4 were obviously affected by the controversial awarding of points; can't imagine either player was happy with that.
On January 24 2010 02:53 paulinepain wrote:
, weather it's Flash or not, he's not playing Baxter, and he's not Boxer with 3 dropship and immortal mm. It was a straight game, Flash was about to get run over by Jaedong, and he had no way to win this unless Jaedong sacrifices all his unit while losing his 2 expands, come on...
I guess you didn't watch the series? How can you determine the "better" player by such a lousy second half to a Bo5? The first 2 games were the only worth watching in that series, and the 3rd half-game was probably ones of the best half-games of TvZ ever, on both players' part. It was slightly tilted to JD's economy at 18 minutes, which isn't saying anything in pro gaming , so while I thought the rest of the games / MBC/kespa ruling was shit, what did you find so obviously indicating that JD was better?
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Flashs dad should have kept his cool and not stall the 4th game for like what 70mins?! I think thats the reason Flash was mentally weakend in game 4. Seeing your dad rage and tell you to leave a grand final isnt an easy thing to deal with.
Still the more I think about it the more I feel that Jeadong was the better player and deserves this title.
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I really want to hear an interview with Jaedong and Flash now.....From that we could probably find out the true situation. I'm surprised Kespa didn't talk to both players before making this decision.
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I felt like Flash had a disadvantage against Calm earlier in a game and came back with nice Turtling. This sucks. I also think it was demoralizing
Maybe if they decide one player had an advantage when the power goes out, they can play a mini 2 game series on that map. The one with the disadvantage must win both games to get a win in the actual best of 5, if he loses one, the player with the advantage gets the win in the best of 5.
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:l i fell asleep and im hearing all this KeSPA news.
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On January 23 2010 23:19 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 23:16 KwarK wrote:
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You can't say "well they considered doing something really stupid one time so they should totally have done this thing which is marginally less stupid". If they'd decided on a regame in that Bisu July it would have been a travesty. July had a prepared cheese which he couldn't do twice and the game was over. That doesn't mean that anything less of a travesty than that is fine. ... Rainbow vs July Rainbow cheeses July with some cute goon/reaver timing push disconnect game isnt over, regame occurs July rapes rainbow since his cheese is spent Fair? I'm not prepared to comment on that. However, this decision IS inconsistent with every other decision kespa has made as far as I am aware of. Hell, let's go back further - YellOw vs Xellos, it happened there too.
Maybe Kespa are actually learning from their mistakes ? Because it certainly seems fair to give someone a win if he has an overwhelming advantage . If they replayed that July vs Bisu game it would've been a pretty stupid decision . 1 DT against 3 base Julyzerg who is rallying hidras to your main . How exactly was Bisu suppose to win ?
While Jaedong vs Flash game wasn't that obvious . From the knowledge the Kespa referees had over the unit count resourse and base count they made a decision to give Jaedong the win . I don't know how that is a bad decision assuming they both had similar armies and Jaedong was on 4 bases with 5 gas and had started his 5th base while Flash was effectively minnig form 1 mineral only base . Flash couldn't brake the 7 o clock and he was retreating . Again how was Flash suppose to win with only 1 mining base against 5gas 4 base Jaedong when they had a similar army ?
If i can actually find a vod for Rainbow vs July i might try reasoning if that was a good decision or not .
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I think the most important factor is what the official rules are for this kind of situation.
Is reviewing the video and awarding a winner the official course of action? In addition is there some official criteria they base the decision off after review?
If they followed their rules/criteria then it was the right thing to do, fair or unfair.
You agree to the rules when you decide to play in their leagues.
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man, all the foreigners whining and going crazy is to die for, haha 
In my opinion it was the right call, though, especially since Flas was about to lose. It'd be even more unfair towards JD having to rematch, than it was against Flash to be given loss.
Then again, this post will just be yet another post in a line of other posts which will never be read or taken seriously, I just mostly wanna laugh a little of all sensational whining and state a bit why
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On January 24 2010 02:45 Altar wrote:
What could have been the best series of all time turned into the worst series of all time, amazing.
The series was still much better than, say, GOM season 1. I thought games 2 and 3 were absolutely amazing, and I thought that the moment Flash d-matrixed his dropships was one of the most dramatic I had ever seen.
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Being a huge Flash fan and the crazy crap that happened earlier in the series I still gotta give it to Jaedong. He played amazingly well and i'm not about to start bitching with what happened its disrespectful to both players to start complaining and whining about it they both had a chance to win and Jaedong came out on top. I just hope Flash continues to do well and doesn't let this shake him up any in my opinion he's still the best sc player out there right now despite what anyone else says.
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When i saw the title of this i thought it was gona be a walk over for some one, so i watched them on youtube. Anything but, i thought it was very exciting and then came the power cut and eureka 
Grats to JD although i can't get that slightly nonfullfilling thought out of the back of my head.
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