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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
That in mind I think the real tragedy is what happened after the decision which totally fucked flash's mental state. I don't lose the feeling jaedong got a kind of freewin in set 4 because of the this. The best think to do would've been watching the vod (no replay avaible) with the players (and only the players!), explaining them why jaedong got the win/asking them about the opinion and go on with the set 4. | ||
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AsianEcksDragon
United States1036 Posts
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Inzek
Chile802 Posts
Why i think kespa was right, im comparing to other sports, for instance tennis if a game is cancelled, long enough that it cannot be continued the match goes for the one who was winning, even when in tennis comeback is always possible. Second, this adds so much to the JD/Flash rivalrie... this rivalrie is becoming really epic. I mean, before this they were tied. Previus series was won by a "cheese" (much more game-related than kespa's choice) but still controversial in terms of player skill. | ||
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Spo0ky
United States23 Posts
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On January 24 2010 01:54 Inzek wrote: Second, this adds so much to the JD/Flash rivalrie... this rivalrie is becoming really epic. I mean, before this they were tied. I thought about this too. There's little doubt now that Jaedong vs Flash is the hottest rivalry, period. And I'm lovin' it. | ||
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Napoleon53
Denmark167 Posts
 Jaedong would start with 5 drones. | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
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KwarK
United States42967 Posts
On January 24 2010 02:01 checo wrote: just gay so damn anticlimatic, flash should have refuse to play game 4 just like that. And then later than evening when he watches the vod and calms down somewhat he'll remember that the 2nd place prize he walked away from was 20,000,000 won. | ||
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IamAnton
Canada335 Posts
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moochu
Australia374 Posts
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bias-
United States410 Posts
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Weasel-
Canada1556 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
The thing is, the build JD used and probably prepared 80% of the time for on this map is not one that can be repeated, its a one time build. JD went 3hat before pool, which is the 14cc equivalent for Z in this mu except its a lot more risky. To proceed by choosing to opt for a hidden base + Crazy Zerg style, its a extremely gimmicky build, and Flash could hardcounter it many times. Not only that JD had to comeback from a huge deficit after losing his 3rd, he played the game of his life and got ahead SIGNIFICANTLY. Not a 75% to 25% lead, but a 90% lead, he secured 4 bases with 5 gas while expoing to a 5th base while as Flash has been running on 6 mineral patches and 2 depleted geysers.He can only pump what? 3-4rax + 1port max with that econ? You might say that Flash had a 10% chance of winning that game and therefore a re should occur. But consider this situation from JD's perspective, he has the game in the bag for sure and by the largest chance he has it won in the next 2 minutes, 9:1 ratio of winning, so you decide to give him a re and give Flash a 6/7:4 ratio of winning? How fair is that? Thats completely unfair and from a very basic game theory perspective by any rational standards completely unfair considering the mind games and the one time nature of builds used in bo5s. The build JD used is not one that can be repeated. This is not a 50-50 situation as many suppose here. Flash gains a lot more from the re than JD, from an completely lost game to a game where you are ahead by reading the build your opponent prepared zealously for beforehand and can counter on a extremely imbalanced map(Odd eye is basically tiamat 2.0 due to the difficulty of securing your expos due to their structure, and the only option is a 2hat muta contain build, and if you watched zergs games vs MnM on that map they tend to opt for 2hat muta into 3base 4gas gaurd all ins). This is a lose-lose situation for both players, but JD had A LOT more to lose from that re compared to Flash and Kespa have made the proper decision by considering the situation and props to them for that. I confess to being a JD fan and I had a write up planned in case JD won the finals to confirm his Bonjwahood(which sadly has to be delayed due to this incident.). But if you analyze and rewatch the game with a cool head and consider the nature of mind games in bo5s you'll realize this is a rational choice. | ||
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BloodDrunK
Bangladesh2767 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25981 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:46 KwarK wrote: I would be very surprised if Chill didn't conclude that JD was a long way ahead after watching the vod (and the last 30 seconds where Flash calls off his attack on 7 after JD rapes 20 more mnm). He knows enough about ZvT to know that ultras with swarm are imba and without tanks/mine/irradiate/firebats there's no way Flash could hold that 3rd. Everything was up in the air til just before the disc, Flash could still have maybe broken 7 etc but at the second of the disc the dust had settled and the outcome was clear. Obviously I don't expect him to change his mind about replay vs win but I would be shocked if any poster who knows what they're talking about can legitimately argue that Flash could hold off ultras under swarms from 5 gas. Yea, I just rewatched the VOD and JD was ahead but I still don't feel right about the decision. I like giving the win only if it's obvious one player can't lose. | ||
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expostfacto
United States365 Posts
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Empyrean
16997 Posts
EDIT: I actually feel really bad for NATE. They're one of SK's biggest internet portals and they've sponsored two starleagues, but they both ended up catastrophes. The first NATE league was an OSL I think, a long time ago (2002?), and a lot of the favorites were eliminated early, resulting in a Sync vs. HOT-Forever final. South Korea was also hosting the World Cup, so no one really cared about Sync and HOT-Forever. And now this. So unlucky :/ | ||
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Sepiraph
Canada13 Posts
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