EPT[MSL] Power Underwhelming - Page 8
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sjon03
United States231 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:57 sjon03 wrote: I'm surprised this hasn't already been asked, but is it possible the power outage was staged by MBC to create controversy over their MSL Final? People commented on their unprofessionalism when FlaSh's image appeared during Game 3 of Jaedong v KaL. I wonder if MBC would do such a thing.. lolooooolololllllllllllll conspiracy theorists know no bounds | ||
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bmml
United Kingdom962 Posts
Hopefully this will spur kespa into creating a more solid rule around this type of crash. This undoubtedly screwed up what should've been the best final in years but no it was terrible  | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
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KwarK
United States41973 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
Flash' natural mines out bit before Jaedongs main you could argue it's around the same time. That makes it a 3 (5 gas) base vs 1 (2 gas) base Terran. Considering Zergs useful gas units are replaced instantly and vessels need more time to put their worth into the game I dunno how you can say he had a real shot at coming back from this. Ultras from 5 hatches combined with the defilers would be running into the base at 9 literally 1 minute after the crash. I dunno if you've ever tried stopping a swarm/ultra army with 3 vessels and no tanks but if you have you probably know your chances of success. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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sjon03
United States231 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:58 JWD wrote: lolooooolololllllllllllll conspiracy theorists know no bounds I don't mean to theorize a conspiracy, I would just like to know whether or not anyone else thought this could have been staged. I hope it wasn't! | ||
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pedduck
Thailand468 Posts
Ret's opinion I'd just like to say I think the descision Kespa made to award JD the win was the right one. He was playing on a T favored map...in a very very favorable position after having overcome all the imbalances that make this map so hard to play ZvT on. Not so clever logic there.. | ||
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Napoleon53
Denmark167 Posts
Im so amazed that a power outage is possible (dude 2010). They really dont have any fuse?... lol. On the bright side we now know that Flash is not any KT-starcraft-android, since he actually survived the poweroutage. | ||
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:57 sjon03 wrote: I'm surprised this hasn't already been asked, but is it possible the power outage was staged by MBC to create controversy over their MSL Final? People commented on their unprofessionalism when FlaSh's image appeared during Game 3 of Jaedong v KaL. I wonder if MBC would do such a thing.. Yess thats why they made the virtual studio too! | ||
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Chunkybuddha
Canada347 Posts
Oh and by the way.. to whomever is saying, "he was in the lead he deserved it", shame on you. Everyone knows in starcraft things can turn 360 degrees in a matter of 30 seconds. Come on now. Kespa's rules' need refining and whoever is the IT guy for these events should be fired. And molested.. a little bit. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On January 24 2010 01:08 pedduck wrote: Not so clever logic there.. I don't agree with using this logic to apply to decisions because it is way too much of a grey area and rules and decisions need to be kept out of grey areas as much as possible, but if you could BY FACT state the balance of a maps it definitely plays a role. For example if a map is 50-50 one guy is ahead 70/30 rematching would put him back 20% and giving him a win would put him up 30%. If the map is 40/60 in his disadvantage rematching puts him back 30% and giving him the win puts him up 30%. It's not really relevant for todays discussion because I think opinions about map balance will always go back and forth too much to reach consensus. The line of thought however is perfectly fine. | ||
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Weaponx3
Canada232 Posts
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
In my own opinion, you don't give out a win to a player if external factors come into play. People are saying that Jaedong had four bases and Flash was only on a mineral nat, but it seemed obvious to me, that reading the thread, Flash not only had an army being pumped out, Jaedong had limited amounts of units and had not yet fully saturated his bases. Even if he had saved drones (like someone here said), I'm guessing it takes a couple of rounds of minerals to properly reap the rewards of expansion. I can't give a definitive advantage, so I'm just going to argue pure theoretics. In finals of any sports, giving out a win to someone because there was an external factor that terminated the game is just absurd. Regardless of whether or not it happens, it's not fair to either player. Jaedong doesn't get the glory that he deserves, and Flash doesn't get the chance to prove that he could have (no matter how infeasible) won that game. In a TvZ that he played on Match Point, it seemed clear that he was losing (it was one of the Day[9] Daily's), but he managed to hang on for an extended period of time. The finals, yes, are about winning, but it's also based upon entertainment value. What will people be saying about the MSL finals three years from now? "Oh, fucked up piece of shit. MBC handed out a game and we didn't get the epic finals that we were waiting for." The argument I'm making here, is NOT that I favor one player or the other. Rather, for the pure entertainment value of it all, give out the regame. Granted, yes, Jaedong fans are going to be pissed because they felt that Jaedong had an advantage. But Flash fans will be just as pissed that they thought Flash might have had a chance in that game too. This was the final that everyone was waiting for, and regardless who won, I'm sure that people could agree that this was highly anticipated and everyone wanted a 3-2 victory for their respective players. Why? Because that's what makes finals FUN. They're long, they're extended, they've got kickass moves. Seeing Flash lose all mental focus because of at least an hour of arguing and bickering just saddens me. Flash has a lot of potential to just come back and win on Game 4, but he seemed to have stopped caring with what...that 2rax cheese or something? Regardless. If Jaedong could have won on Eye of the Storm, then he could do it again. It's unfair to say that because Jaedong had to deal with map imbalance, he should be given the game, or because Jaedong had an advantage he should have been given the game. I mean, what quantifies map imbalance, and then after that, what quantifies an advantage? Iono...but....I'm noob. So there's my two cents. | ||
swanized
Canada2480 Posts
''after looking at the players mineral,gas and supply and looking at the fact that JD had 2 defilers and ultras at his 7 base we decided to award Lee jaedong the win'' meaning Kespa did have access to those information it was not fair but a rematch would had been the worst decision in e-sports history no matter what flash fanboys say | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On January 24 2010 00:57 Malinor wrote: I believe JD had no problem with sustaining unit production. Remember also, that he was able to save around 7-8 drones from the 1 o'clock base while Flash took it down. These also had to go somewhere and should add up to the good saturated main and natural. Probably at 3 o'clock, maybe we can see this on th HD video. I'm pretty sure those drones were killed. He sent them away and I was following them on the mini map, but then the medic marine stimmed after the drones (to the third) and then it cut to Flash's face, then when it went back to the game Flash at the 3rd and the drones weren't in sight, so I'm pretty sure he killed them. I don't see the 5 gas people are talking about, maybe I'm missing something but last we see there are no extractor or drones at the 3rd and at the 7 there are 2 extractors but we only see 1 being mined from it with like 4 other drones mining minerals. So that's the potential for 4 gas with the gas at the main running low. But a couple of people have said 5 gas so I could very well be wrong. Also to note, JD's natural isn't very well saturated at all (last we see). | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On January 24 2010 01:05 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Just watched the VOD he literally had 5 gas fully mining. Both gasses on 7 were both built and also occupied with 3 drones each. You got a 5 gas Zerg with defiler and fully upgraded ultras and a good economy against a pure m&m Terran from soon to be one base. Who was putting every last effort he had into breaking the double gas because he knew it would be over if he couldn't break it. Flash' natural mines out bit before Jaedongs main you could argue it's around the same time. That makes it a 3 (5 gas) base vs 1 (3 gas) base Terran. Considering Zergs useful gas units are replaced instantly and vessels need more time to put their worth into the game I dunno how you can say he had a real shot at coming back from this. Ultras from 5 hatches combined with the defilers would be running into the base at 9 literally 1 minute after the crash. I dunno if you've ever tried stopping a swarm/ultra army with 3 vessels and no tanks but if you have you probably know your chances of success. 2 gas Terran. Flash took the mineral only expo. Jaedong did not yet mine the 2nd gas at 7, but I don't think it makes a difference. In the last 2-3 minutes Jaedong was producing on average 4 ultras / minute. Jaedong needs to only hold for anther 1-2 minutes max before coming up with an entire control group of ultras to run over flash. Jaedong at that point had about 4 ultras under his control. Flash ran out of steam. He had at most 2 groups of marines rather than the 5 groups throughout the game. The moment Flash could no longer break the 7 o clock expo Flash was forced to play DEFENSIVE. There is no more pushing out. No tanks, no vulture / mines, and only half a dozen science vessels. If Flash could no longer push out within the next 2 minutes to destroy expos, than it's over. | ||
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KwarK
United States41973 Posts
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iuppy
Romania31 Posts
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