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On January 24 2010 02:37 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 02:34 Sepiraph wrote:
Not sure what is dumber, the fact that they didn't re-game or that they didn't have UPS as backup. If the blackout happened earlier right after Flash took out JD's 1 o'clock, would you agree that the game would be awarded to Flash instead? Well, Flash didn't have the equivalent of 12 cows or running off the equilvalent of zerg 3 base.
if the attack after that on the min only would have worked than yes, i'd have given it to Flash, but because it did not, ofc not. He had that base up long enough to get out a lot of ultras with good upgrades, losing that base wasnt a final blow or anything, he just needed to take a new gas, what he did, and defended it well.
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Now Jaedong's MSL win, which he probably would have gotten anyway, is not accompanied by cheering fans and people throwing around the "b-word". This is what he gets instead. The blackout hurt Jaedong more than it hurt Flash.
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On January 24 2010 03:29 Zozma wrote:
Now Jaedong's MSL win, which he probably would have gotten anyway, is not accompanied by cheering fans and people throwing around the "b-word". This is what he gets instead. The blackout hurt Jaedong more than it hurt Flash.
Something hurts more than getting POTENTIALLY robbed of a title?
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Foreigners whining - gief moar lulz =D
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The damage has been done irreparable the moment of the power failure. As of consequence it obviously affected Flash's play in the next game. His eyebrow was twitching like crazy when he heard the decision. I will never forget that sight.
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On January 24 2010 03:29 Zozma wrote:
Now Jaedong's MSL win, which he probably would have gotten anyway, is not accompanied by cheering fans and people throwing around the "b-word". This is what he gets instead. The blackout hurt Jaedong more than it hurt Flash.
Wat
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The thing some people are leaving out is the simple fact that Jaedong had a sizable lead, so I don't believe Flash was "robbed". Yeah, it's shitty that it had to go down like that(For God's sake, get a backup power supply!), but the refs had to do something. I agree with Ret's statement, they absolutely made the right decision. It's tough to swallow, as we could see from the play in the last set, but something had to be done. Noone likes making those decisions, not even the evil KeSPA.
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I think the decision was correct, but it's not one that anybody should ever have had to make. From sticking them in a separate room, to not having heard of UPS this was a fiasco.
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I completely agree with everyone there but chill, Jaedong is in an absolutely commanding position against all odds on that map, and a re-game would have been almost as bad as just giving the game to flash at that point...
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Yesterday, I was playing a game of chess were I was behind significantly. My opponent was up a queen and a bishop against me. However, in the end, he made some mistakes and I corned his king and check mated him.
I do support KeSpa's decision to give Jaedong the win still, but I really do feel Flash's side as well.
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I think it's a sound argument that JD was technically ahead, but if Flash proved anything DURING the controversial game it's that he is able to deal with dark swarm and ultras. In case no one remembers, Flash was pretty much all but dead in game 2 using a seemingly flimsy SK terran style build against guardians / DOZENS of sunken colonies...and look what happened.
First, JD had no swarm
Second, JD threw away his mutalisks by turning them into gaurdians and subsequently trading them for 2 missile turrets and some m&m....
It was slightly tilted to JD's economy at 18 minutes, which isn't saying anything in pro gaming
I think it's been concluded that it was more than slightly tilted.
Also, it says MORE in pro gaming.
The arguments about precedence is somewhat weak. There is no such thing as a "good time" to do something that will always result in someone being screwed.
(I know this is kinda overexagerating but...)
It's not like it was a "good time" to abolish segregation in schools. It simply needed to be done. It was fair.
Looking at game 3, I really could not think of anything flash could do to come back.
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I think a re-match you have been the better choice, but let's stfu untill Kespa says something. I doubt we are the only ones screaming from the bottom of our lungs that if there is a shot, you should allow it. And this is not 1% out of 99%, Flash wasn't overwhelmingly back.
We've seen bigger comebacks than this, but the bottom line is "your opinion doesn't matter", things won't change, let's see how ef-ing Kespa motivates this BS and that's it.
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On the livestream someone translated the fault not to a power failure but to a fan (not the blowing kind, fan boy) - entering Flash's "booth". Was this just trolling?
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I was watching the Chinese stream and the Chinese commentators did not think Jaedong actually had a clear advantage at the point of blackout, and they actually thought they were going to regame. I totally agree. I also agree with plexa that, without a replay, you cannot possible know what is really going on - what supply they are at, their min/gas, etc. I remember watching a rep of nada vs some zerg and basically nada had 2 bases and the zerg had taken the entire map and had more supply than terran. Then nada made 4 dropships and simultaneously dropped to 4 of the zerg's expos and took them out and suddenly the zerg had no economy and eventually nada rolled him over. The truth is, watching a vod does not give you an accurate description of what is really going on.
Look, how many times have we watched a game and people were LRing, and saying "damn bisu is going to gg any sec", and then boom luxury lost all his mutas and lings and Bisu won? Replace bisu and luxury with countless other names. The fact is the kind of comeback of this scale happens TOO frequently for us to just give JD a free win IMO. Imagine there were just enough reinforcement from flash that sniped JD's 7, and then simultaneously dropped to 1, what would happen? What if flash was massing tanks already and that was never shown (like fantasy vs JD where fantasy's tanks were shown quite late), well he probably didn't have tanks then, but my point is, if he did, we would have no way of know; there are way too many unknowns.
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There should of been a Re-game. All this BS about him being ahead just gives me a headache. He was NOT clearly head and was using every damn unit to save that 7 Base. People are saying that he had 4 bases with, but one wasn't running and the other was under siege(and well wasnt running). I just got get this. Just like in pro games in the US if they were sure about something they have REPLAY, so just like in progames if something like this happens there should be a regame instantly. The results were utter bs.
Flash was robbed. There was not enough evidence to give the win to ANYONE. ~_~ /Rage
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Zee wtf vod were you watching, how was he not ahead. 1 base terran with minerals vs 4 base Zerg. Flash's large army all gone and JD taking his 5th base. Flash at the end had 2 vessels with no enery, and what... 6 rines/6medics? he was unable to expo, he was unable to take JD's expo, and he was unable to control any portion of the map anymore. I mean really you need to watch the VOD again if you somehow missed the massive advantage for Zerg.
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On January 24 2010 03:54 kb.RepulsE wrote:
Yesterday, I was playing a game of chess were I was behind significantly. My opponent was up a queen and a bishop against me. However, in the end, he made some mistakes and I corned his king and check mated him.
I do support KeSpa's decision to give Jaedong the win still, but I really do feel Flash's side as well.
If a grandmaster was up a queen and a bishop against another grandmaster.....
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This made the finals sooooo bad. The JDvsFlash finals mood was killed right here.
Bit I think Kespa made the better decision in giving JD the win rather than a re. JD had the game.
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On January 24 2010 03:29 Zozma wrote:
Now Jaedong's MSL win, which he probably would have gotten anyway, is not accompanied by cheering fans and people throwing around the "b-word". This is what he gets instead. The blackout hurt Jaedong more than it hurt Flash.
This is the unfortunate truth.
Flash lost game 3 and his 8 rax in game 4 was predicted and it would've lost also. There is no way Flash wins the series. Now Flash gets loads of sympathy and Jaedong is being hated.
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