EPTSeems like we're killing an inactive, not someone who is suspicious...we all know what's going to happen next...
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Seems like we're killing an inactive, not someone who is suspicious...we all know what's going to happen next... | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
I'd be surprised if Pyrry were using the same people in clues on consecutive days too (though of course more possible links to 1 person = more likely at least one of them is actually real). At this point though I'd be 1a2a3a'ing through the inactives list if I could. They're only hurting us by staying quiet. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
Unless of course, you want Jayme to get lynched.... Same goes to you too Shikyo. Our elected officials have done jack squat contributing to this day. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On May 22 2009 12:50 crate wrote: What day 2 clues are pointing to Jayme? I thought we were still on the "crepuscular" possible clue? I'd be surprised if Pyrry were using the same people in clues on consecutive days too (though of course more possible links to 1 person = more likely at least one of them is actually real). At this point though I'd be 1a2a3a'ing through the inactives list if I could. They're only hurting us by staying quiet. a little birdo told me that crepuscular does not point to jayme. of course the inactives are hurting us the problem is, there's like ten of them, by the time we're done with them, we're screwed. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
On May 22 2009 13:00 JeeJee wrote: a little birdo told me that crepuscular does not point to jayme. of course the inactives are hurting us the problem is, there's like ten of them, by the time we're done with them, we're screwed. lol pulling an Ace?  Mind to give us a name of someone u want dead? | ||
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SugiuraMidori
United States281 Posts
I'm working on a clue analysis post now.. so hang on :D | ||
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Foolishness
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On May 22 2009 13:04 zeks wrote: lol pulling an Ace? Mind to give us a name of someone u want dead? well, let's throw out a name like l10f. lemme pull up his history 36 27. l10f - bandwagon, puppydog, 'large arg from minute details'(*), against jimmy&the_master, for inactives, votes, no posts 3/5## comments? (i won't be around to read them i'm going to sleep) we have like what, another 24 hours of day left? ho-hum. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
I was hoping you could have some more justification on l10f.Foolishness I like your 'no bullshit' attitude. | ||
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SugiuraMidori
United States281 Posts
• Midori (and even myself) is a girl, female.. not a "salesman" or a "close the door in the man's face" -- and yes, Pyrr (and others that read it) knows this because I made the post in the signup thread that I am a 'she' • Midori, character in Mai HiME, uses a halberd for her weapon... not a metal bar, and as such would more likely chop off or up parts of a victim's body than beat them with the handle end Now then... my attempt at clue analysis (as I really just skimmed the posts since there's too many to read through.. and behavioral analysis seems useless to me in a newbie game:: On May 21 2009 11:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Jimtudor had no hard feelings about the election. With love for his town in his heart, he prepared to defend the people chosen to lead in this time of crisis. His door bell rang. "Who could it be at this hour?," he thought. A (1)salesman in a flashy tie greeted Jimtudor from his welcome mat and began his pitch. Jimtudor tried to close the door in the man's face, but the man (2)swiftly jammed a metal bar in the doorway and used it to (3)pry the door open, then bash Jimtudor in the head till he died. Walking through the park (4)in the darkness, Softer began to think he was being stalked, so he hid in the bushes. The figure that had been following him began to (5)search the thicket, and Softer panicked and tried to bolt towards the park's exit. However, before Softer could get away, his stalker (6)whipped him forcefully in the back. Softer flew to the ground, where (7)vicious stomps to the back of the neck took his life. (1) Just going off others observations that flashy would relate to the user picture if they had one... the ones that stand out to me as flashy images are BWdero with all the fancy lightning and Jayme with that cat picture. Using these two people and the other clues, we can see that BWdero is a strong man in his image and could easily pry open a door against the strength of a trained body guard. Additionally he reminds me of the blind guy from Electra and those comic series that has that staff to both protect himself and move around. Alternatively we see many synonyms for 'flashy' in Ra.Xor.2's profile ( "brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous") I also point out, and with no means of offense, that it is a very religious post.. and I'm sure we all know about the sales people that go around trying to sell their religion door to door. (2) Swift points back to our cat image fellow, Jayme.. about all I could find here. (3) Covered in #1 (4) Best I get here is Ra.Xor.2's profile mentioning that it isn't darkness that we should fear but the light and hence why he wouldn't have a problem killing in the night. (5) Jayme again.. as cats like to search around in plants and whatnot (ours certainly do when outside) for various things they can get a hold of. Additionally Phelix is the name of a cat in a cartoon, so this can apply. (6) Two people stand out to me here.. wurm and teks. wurm mentions his towel which, when wet, makes a very good and painful whip but could never kill anyone, thus needing the stomps on the back of the neck to do so. (well more like flopping around violently?) teks has the duck hero with a rope (can make a good whip) and ducks feet are a large item in the image, which helps with the stomping bit. (7) Here again, BWdero's profile pic looks like a guy that would stomp out your existence. Goin on profile icons.. ydg is a dragoon, vx70GTOJudgexv is a firebat?, Ra.Xor.2 is also a firebat?, l10f is a zealot, iLoveKTF is a firebat?, EsbenPM a marine, and chaoser a marine; which all stomp around the battle field in SC. People I would count out of these clues... JeeJee -- His quotes and profile have a lot of suggestions of wanting to kill people face to face.. none of the clues thus far have even come close to that. Koopie -- Image of a girl (Peach) from Mario.. a princess.. uses an umbrella or mushrooms to attack (smash brothers) breaking both the man rule and whipping people. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On that note, Shikyo needs to die, and Jayme is clearly innocent. But please don't let me stop anyone from bandwagoning | ||
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SugiuraMidori
United States281 Posts
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Pawsom
United States928 Posts
We need to figure out what happened with the 3rd hit. Was a medic save made? Did the mafia hit a veteran? Did they not use all their kill power to try to trick us? | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
? I hope so anyway. Dude you're being absurdly aggressive. I guess I have my answer about who would provoke discussion if I didn't. | ||
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Moloch
Canada222 Posts
Overall, I don't know what I can say. It seems like a huge bandwagon voting for Jayme which has to include Mafia so either a) the Mafia see he's going down and don't want to single themselves out or the active Mafias have abstained/voted for someone else (which by looking at the people who have done that it doesn't look likely at all). or b) the Mafia are content to let us lynch a random green/blue. The only problem with all this is that there doesn't appear to be a better candidate to be lynched. P.S. When does this day end? | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
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Moloch
Canada222 Posts
I might not be able to catch up again until the day is over  | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
Since Jayme seems to be a lock to die today (he has 16 votes already !) I think we should start discussing who else to look for. I'm not confident in being able to find much in these posts but it can't hurt to look, no? Softer's posts + Show Spoiler + softer wrote: We can't really get strong suspicions off one days clues, and since most of us are new it's hard to get anything from behavior this early as well. But we have to start somewhere and get some discussion going. The wording "eerily crepuscular" stood out to me. The cat is a crepuscular animal, and Jayme has a picture of a cat thats definitely eerie in his profile. softer wrote: I just want to reiterate why lynching an inactive is good the first day. A common mafia strategy is to lay low. By forcing people to post, the mafia will have to come out or risk being lynched. Making them post gives them the chance to make mistakes. An important part of finding mafia is seeing what they say, look for inconsistencies or outright lies. That being said, I'm gonna vote for Shikyo for now. He seems to be smart and sincere. softer wrote: The race for mayor is pretty close still.. Could the contenders please state their strategy for the day 1 lynch? softer wrote: Yep, there's really nothing much to do now, except wait for dawn and see what happens. As for the mafia, I think the instinct, especially with new players, is to try to lay low and stay off the radar. I could be wrong, but they probably try to post just enough to not be marked as inactive. Congratulation to the elected, hope you softer wrote: Oops, premature ejacu..posting continuing: ..hope you rise to the task and lead town to victory Jimtudor's posts: + Show Spoiler + Jimtudor wrote: Okay, this is preliminary clue searching. The first thing I did was read into Erlend Loe. So he is an author from Norway that writes novels and childrens book that have a style that is characterized as naive. There are three players from Norway in this game. Softer, Teks, and knutti. IF there is a mafia among the three, I feel it is teks>knutti>softer. Teks as he got a cartoon picture that would fit in a children's book, and then knutti who pyrr has absolutely nothing else to go on other than being from norway and being knutti? Too early to tell, but that's my 5 cent for now. Jimtudor wrote: Alright, I am throwing my hat into the ring to be sheriff. Here are the qualities that I bring. 1. Veteranship: I have played in a few mafia games and observed and analysed from the rest with which I was not a part of. I will bring that experience into crushing mafia skulls. 2. Gamesense: Just like Aces....or close....:D... Seeing is believing when I use the bully pulpit to smash mafia ploys of deceit, vote trains, and bandwagon leading. 3. Activity: I will not rest from the break of dawn to midnight until all mafia is steamrolled to the grave. That means, constant vigilence of posts and mafia vote trains, then gouging their eyes out. 4. Detective Skills: I will use my honed detective skills to find those rotten eggs in the box, and then cracking it. 5. Open government: Quick response to any inquries, and will do what i can to direct good plans of action. 6. Equality: This will be a town that will not tolerate racism, every person of every colour should feel they have the ability to get ahead as long as they work hard.... + Show Spoiler + unless you are a redskin I will use the first vote to lynch inactive, of course one that has clues that could be logical gets priority, unless clue analysis is unusually strong for day 1. Jimtudor wrote: Edit to previous post It should read Equality: This will be a town that will not tolerate racism, every person of every colour should feel they have the ability to get ahead as long as they work hard.... + Show Spoiler + unless they are red Did not mean to be racist, sorry. Foolishness: That is true. There shouldn't be an iron rule that only inactives are going to be lynched or else all the mafia is just going to post something useless or echo off of each other and get out of that list. Lynching suspicious ones could theoretically be better, but behavioural analysis can also be inaccurate on the first day, and clues could be red herrings... So the best thing if you are townie is to post something that is thought out and useful, but post! On May 19 2009 01:24 Jimtudor wrote: In the parking lot, LTT, the love child of the late L and Samsung Khan's captain, read an Erlend Loe novel in his Audi sports car. Without warning, his + Show Spoiler + windshield shattered and a wave of glass ripped through sounding a horn that would not be heard in time Hi, I guess the Black bolt can do that no. Make a sound that would rip the glass. For Ilovektf, I am not convinced yet teks. Poor flash, well he wasn't really slumping that hard + Show Spoiler + especially prior to yesterday night's games. Yes, I would want more members to throw their hat into their ring. Shikyo your campaign platform showed that you are organized and thoughtful, and I like your logic that I get from your writing. Some obvious stuff, but your incarnation policy is solid, and I would implement that if elected. On May 19 2009 05:09 Jimtudor wrote: I disagree. To be fair, my posts tone was a little off kilter for comedic effect. I have stated I am experience. I too have been green, blue and red as well and know the way around. I have promised to lynch inactives unless extraordinary circumstances occur. I promised constant activity and clue analysis, he says he can't always be active. I see you are now pretty much a lock for sheriff but I would like to support the town as mayor. On May 19 2009 14:06 Jimtudor wrote: The intention of your post seems swell enough but you have not said anything substantial to back it up. It's pretty obvious why he is running uncontested, because frankly his activity and his posts are a cut above the other candidates right now. Your campaign message is: Run away from the bogeyman. Well, that's not going to cut it. Where's your plan? How are we going to succeed? Where are the flaws in Shikyo's statements? Have you got any clues that might cast suspicion on him? I do agree with Crate that confirming townies is a high priority for town. A confirmed vigi hit is the cleanest to do but a successful medic protection as outlined would definately be ideal. I am thinking of complications right now and will post more about it soon. Jeejee, I had an eye on you ever since my preliminary clue search but these are so weak that I wanted to wait for one more day and wasn't putting it out. Now, after the echo chamber that you had with ilovektf and quiet support makes me more skeptical. Meanwhile, downstairs, Qatol was using the Triumvirate Building's spacious archery range for target practice. As he looked down to reload, another figure crossed the room from the other side. The mafioso crept behind Qatol and took out his knife. Qatol never shot another arrow. Fear is the strongest driving force in competition. Not fear of one's opponent, but of the skill and high standard he represents; fear, too, of not acquitting oneself well. In the achievement of higher performances, of beating formidable rivals, the athlete defeats fear and conquers himself. -Franz Stampfl Your profile contains pretty much the only reference to athletic competition in the whole game. Franz Stampfl was a famous coach that had somewhat revolutionary ideas for how to train your body and practice for your sport, although he specialized in training runners he also trained other athletes in other fields. He was a noted olympic trainer, got his trainees many golds. The only place where archery is relevant today is athletic competition and the olympics. Is this enough to say he is mafia, not even close. Is this enough to give you pause to vote for what appears to be the most important office for a mafia to gain, maybe. Unfortunately, it would seem I am being self-serving. So in the end, it's up for the town to decide... Of course, town, I do hope you give me your vote. Jimtudor wrote: As of now, the day 1 lynch will be an inactive or de facto inactive player. The one with the strongest logical clues towards it and/or inconsistent behaviour from previous games will get lynched. I am not sure about Jayme yet. Will be back with more. The way I use my following votes will be both clue based and behaviour based depending on the strength of the evidence with that particular vote. My votes should align mostly with the general sentiment of the town unless I sense a bs/bandwgon vote led by mafia. Jimtudor wrote: (about day 1 lynch) No, I haven't. I got a timetable from Pyrr that I need to send it in before 8PST. I won't miss it and I will tell once I made a decision. On May 20 2009 08:06 Jimtudor wrote: Sure, I would love to be checked if I do fail to get the mayor spot. But why would lynching me help the town. Once I turn up town aligned, does that mean the people voting for me are innocent, no. Once I turn up red, does that mean that people voting for me are red, not nessesarily. Please explain what have I done that is suspicious. Well at JeeJee, yes I forgot that my name is a minor league hockey player. It always slip my mind that until someone mentions it in a mafia game. But still, the coach is more track and field, I didn't connect it with a sports team. Seriously though, my lack of posts for like a few hours is enough to be suspicious. I promised constant activity, but not one that means i am at my computer for 24/7. Jimtudor wrote: Please elaborate as in why am I under suspicion other than I ran for office. Jimtudor wrote: Well, then I don't have much to defend against... Other than the fact that I sure hope that Teks elimination number game is wrong and that for all the 'top' contenders for office, one should be mafia. Jimtudor wrote: @Koopie: Fair enough. Changed my vote to Shikyo as I feel he is the strongest candidate with the best plan that has a chance at top office. Jimtudor wrote: I am just waiting for night. I promise after the night post for some good analysis. Jimtudor wrote: Edit: I meant the day post. I probably won't be doing this in the future, since the number of posts I'd be linking would grow quite large in the future, but it wasn't too much work to go c&p this much  Why did the mafia hit Jimmy? Same reason we thought he would be helpful to keep around, probably. He was showing signs of being active, promising clue analysis, and generally looking like an asset to the town. It also might help to clear suspicion from those who voted for him and cast suspicion on people denouncing him; I'm not really willing to buy into either of those thoughts though. I don't make much of his death and my guess is still that the mafia got lucky on him being a BG. More interesting is softer's death, as he was definitely under-the-radar from our point of view. The first two posts he made contributed to the town--clue analysis (again!) and telling people to be active. He voted for Shikyo, but again I don't really think that that affects whether Shikyo looks suspicious or not. What I'm getting here is that the mafia wants to snipe people who were doing clue analysis, probably in the hopes of landing a DT. Considering that half of the mafia may be hiding amongst inactive townies and the fact that forces us to try to use clues to find reds, and this looks like a sensible strategy to me. Hitting softer worked out nicely since he wasn't likely to be medic protected either. Anyone who did solid clue analysis today would likely be in danger if the mafia continue this strategy (assuming my conjecture is right anyway); of course now that I've posted this.... ----- JeeJee wrote: of course the inactives are hurting us the problem is, there's like ten of them, by the time we're done with them, we're screwed. Inactives, if you're town-aligned and want the town to win start posting :< Unfortunately I don't think this is likely to happen ----- JeeJee wrote:well, let's throw out a name like l10f. lemme pull up his history 36 27. l10f - bandwagon, puppydog, 'large arg from minute details'(*), against jimmy&the_master, for inactives, votes, no posts 3/5## comments? (i won't be around to read them i'm going to sleep) we have like what, another 24 hours of day left? ho-hum. I'm guessing this is just a suggestion and not something from "a little birdo"? I'll entertain it for now. I still think it's interesting that he'd played Mafia before but didn't realize that bandwagons were bad for the town. Also didn't quite understand the medic list at first glance, which is also curious. l10f wrote: I don't think it's a good idea for anyone to change votes unless they're going from abstain -> someone. I find this amusing when based on the amount of vote-swapping going on in the other game. In context it mostly makes sense though since the candidates' platforms didn't really change much over the course of day 1. Lots of one-liner agreement posts (clearly not important) in day 1. l10f wrote:And, I don't think you are red, but I don't think you have the right to call people "stupid." I'm sure everyone here has the intelligence to play this game well, they are just lacking the experience. Therefore you shouldn't call them "stupid players." If you wanted clarification, I know full well that the people here are all smart enough to theoretically play well and yes inexperience is probably the biggest cause of dumb posts.... Rest of that post is repeating stuff others had said, which doesn't sound too useful to me... Well my analysis so far says he hasn't done much useful (not like half of the players here have...) and I find his lack of inexperience very puzzling considering he's played mafia before. Yes I realize it's not the same IRL as on this forum, but still, not understanding bandwagon = bad? Either he made a mistake and he's not as inexperienced as he claims, or...? | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
holy shit that post is HUGE | ||
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