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Moloch
Canada222 Posts
I didn't see anything you didn't mention in there. I'll volunteer to organize posts of everyone who gets hit so I can contribute something :D Then you (and others who are good at finding clues) don't have to waste time copy pasting when you could be digging deeper into something that piqued your interest. It'll also get me doing something and not feeling useless. | ||
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teks
Norway263 Posts
 I have a bad feeling about lynching Jayme, the clues just seem to easy and too obvious. But as long as he isn't standing up for himself I guess there is no harm in taking him down, and it's not like we have any other stronger candidates at the moment. I wish there wouldn't be such a bandwagon against him though, no real discussion was going on, everyone just jumped aboard. I guess the majority of the town won't be able to believe in Jayme's innocence before he's dead. I was considering changing my vote to abstain, but it won't make a difference, so I'll just leave it be. If he does turn up red I'll be surprised - but it would be a great start for us, and if he does turn out green or blue (let's hope he's not blue atleast), we should have some more material to work on, such as investigating the people who were pushing for his lynch (bandwagon starters). | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
Regarding Jayme or not: No one else is providing convincing arguments as to anyone else we should be lynching. Foolishness said: Jayme occurred 3 times in SugiuraMidori's post...what a suprise. I don't know about you guys, but I liked to be reminded of everything that's already been talked about, so let's keep up the good work in posting the same thing over and over again. On that note, Shikyo needs to die, and Jayme is clearly innocent. But please don't let me stop anyone from bandwagoning You wanna stop the "bandwagon"? Tell us more why you think Shikyo should be lynched, aside that from a lot of people voted for him. Yes there was obviously a bandwagon there, I realize this, but that doesn't necessarily throw mafia on him, otherwise we should probably double lynch the mayor AND sheriff tomorrow if that's all you've got. One thing that's confusing me about the people who are accusing Shikyo because jimtudor was on the medic list is they are only accusing Shikyo. You do realize jimtudor was on other people's medic lists (including my own), right? Yet the only one they accuse of any suspicion based on that is Shikyo. The crepuscular clue is NOT the only clue pointing to Jayme, if you read the thread you'd know that. The cat mage is most definitely being relied on, because it's about all we have from his profile. Jayme has no public profile, and a quote about python. Now his behavior is what sets off the red flags: + Show Spoiler [Jayme posts] + On May 18 2009 15:12 Jayme wrote: Thank you mister veteran for giving us the prime example of what not to do  Do not roleclaim so early, especially as a DT unless you like the idea of getting lynched immediately. P.S Nemy is my hero, go back to your vet game! On May 18 2009 17:50 Jayme wrote: The whole mod killing thing adds a different dynamic to this game really. Before it was okay to just lynch some inactive fool in lue of no hints because it was safe and even if you hit a blue... an inactive blue is pretty wasteful. Good for drawing fire and nothing else. The day 1 clues are completely ambiguous at best, with only the car horn seeming oddly placed for me. Well that and decaffeinated coffee.. WHO DRINKS THAT!? Day 2 would help immensely with cross checking potential, have to see when the sleepy people wake up to see how they react. Not many people around yet. On May 19 2009 08:12 Jayme wrote: What bothers me most about this bandwagon... or start of one really is that Shikyo hasn't really done anything for his platform to warrant this sort of response. It's a game filled with newer players, a great deal of which might just wait behind the scenes and go with what popular opinion is to not get lynched. All you would really need is a few confidence votes or at least the illusion of one and you'd definitely get the surge of voting needed to bring out other people to your cause. On May 19 2009 13:29 Jayme wrote: I'll address this right now. What clues? The only thing I have seen even remotely linked to me is the word "creep" and my pet zergling icon. I don't need to remind you that we have at least 8 players with zerg icons playing this game. You will be rather hard pressed to validate anything based solely on that. This all being said I voted for JeeJee. His behavior analysis has always been pretty spot on and going through past games it should be blatantly obvious if he's not for the town... setting him up for a lynch down the road. Notice how he completely sidestepped the cat clue, which had been pointed to before he made that post. Now that could be one of a few things: 1) He warranted it a weak enough clue that he didn't need to concern himself with it. 2) He didn't read the thread and see it come up. 3) It was in fact a clue and he simply had nothing to respond to it The fact of the matter is, he's disappeard at this point from the game. However, all I'm seeing at this point is a small group of people banding together on suspicions of Shikyo with absolutely nothing clue wise pointing his way, and who can't even get their own shit straight. + Show Spoiler [Foolishness - Selected Posts] + On May 22 2009 07:37 Foolishness wrote: Analyzing me is quite pointless, we should be focused on killing Shikyo. It's still apparent that he is mafia. There's still suspicious activity going on with him and we should be very careful of his actions. I'm all up for killing Jayme and possibly double lynch, but I still think Shikyo's the one we should be focused on. On May 22 2009 12:32 Foolishness wrote: Isn't it funny how we are killing Jayme based on clues? I can recall many many people saying that clues are not good to go by early in the game. So much for that... And you know, if I was in Jayme's shoes right now, I wouldn't be trying to defend myself either (unless I was some very important role such as DT). It seems really hopeless for him to say anything. On May 22 2009 12:41 Foolishness wrote: Jayme has behavior? Where? He hasn't posted in such a long time... Seems like we're killing an inactive, not someone who is suspicious...we all know what's going to happen next... Only thing consistent there is "Kill Shikyo, because I don't trust him". There's no reasoning, just a complete flip on the fence. Note that not posting is behavior as well btw - it's called possibly laying low. On May 22 2009 13:24 JeeJee wrote: well, let's throw out a name like l10f. lemme pull up his history 36 27. l10f - bandwagon, puppydog, 'large arg from minute details'(*), against jimmy&the_master, for inactives, votes, no posts 3/5## comments? (i won't be around to read them i'm going to sleep) we have like what, another 24 hours of day left? ho-hum. Not sure I understand this completely. He voted bandwagon in the elections, he makes large arguments from small things and... votes without backing it up? Granted that seems like it would be a mafia profile, except there's nothing else... His profile quote is "Britney 2010. I believe. <3" - Not much help there. l10f doesn't get much either, leads to a genetic mutation that I can't understand in Google. "A mutation in the gene for angiotensinogen, changing the leucine residue at position 10 to a phenylalanine (L10F), has been reported in a patient with proteinuric pre-eclampsia" Pre-Eclampsia (the disease mentioned) Preeclampsia is a disorder that occurs only during pregnancy and the postpartum period and affects both the mother and the unborn baby. Affecting at least 5-8% of all pregnancies, it is a rapidly progressive condition characterized by high blood pressure and the presence of protein in the urine. Swelling, sudden weight gain, headaches and changes in vision are important symptoms; however, some women with rapidly advancing disease report few symptoms. I see nothing there. + Show Spoiler [l10f's Posts] + On May 19 2009 06:43 l10f wrote: Just go with the flow and vote for Shikyo =] On May 19 2009 07:10 l10f wrote: Well, I'm sure he'll end up winning at this rate. Sorry, it's my first time participating, so I don't know what to look out for yet, busy reading the last mafia game :D On May 19 2009 08:40 l10f wrote: If you're asking why I voted before I posted, I can't give anything but that I'm a newbie, and when I saw one person had the most votes, I just voted for him. I didn't know that bandwagons were bad for the town. I'll try to understand this game as quickly as possible. P.S. I'm amazed at how some of you can make such a large arguments from minute details! On May 19 2009 09:01 l10f wrote: Yes, I'm watching every few minutes or so. So far it's Shikyo - 6 JeeJee - 2 Jimtudor - 2 I've read every post so far, and Shikyo seems to have great analysis in the opening message (idk what else to call it). Had I read all the posts before voting, I think my vote would have stayed. JeeJee... doesn't capitalize the first letters in his sentences. I haven't really thought much about him. Jimtudor- I think that he will be least successful as Sheriff. Not that many posts are here right now so I can't really elaborate why other than my gut feelings. So I'm for Shikyo. It looks like he's gonna win, and I'm indifferent as to who should become the mayor. On May 19 2009 09:47 l10f wrote: Yep, the only other times I've played Mafia is with my friends during a retreat, which was with about 15-20 people. We still had very fun games, even though it might be considered "small". It really depends on from where you're seeing the number of people. On May 20 2009 06:01 l10f wrote: That's what I thought too when I looked at the vote results so far, but it might be too soon to point fingers at people. However it's definitely something to watch out for. I also think it's a good idea to lynch the inactives (especially someone who posted just so he's not inactive) because they wouldn't be any help to the town even if they turned out to be blue or green. On May 20 2009 06:11 l10f wrote: How do you think we should carry out the check on Jimtudor after JeeJee gets the mayor spot? He should definitely be checked out, but I don't know with what method. Lynch him? Role check him? On May 20 2009 06:20 l10f wrote: So you want to lynch a voter for both JeeJee and Jimtudor, regardless of who wins? On May 20 2009 07:27 l10f wrote: And maybe you're changing vote to JeeJee because the town caught attention of Jimtudor and his voters? I don't think it's a good idea for anyone to change votes unless they're going from abstain -> someone. On May 20 2009 07:54 l10f wrote: Two more for JeeJee and he passes Shikyo for sheriff and about my last post, it was directed towards The_Master and not teks On May 20 2009 08:44 l10f wrote: I heard editing posts wasn't allowed in Mafia somewhere :o On May 20 2009 08:47 l10f wrote: When is the latest that a person can vote or change his/her vote? On May 20 2009 09:56 l10f wrote: And there are only 3 medics + sheriff + mayor. That's only 5 people that are protected what about the other two? On May 20 2009 11:06 l10f wrote: Shikyo 10 - JeeJee 10 except the vote on JeeJee came before Shikyo's, so that would mean JeeJee would be sheriff if nothing else changes. On May 20 2009 11:24 l10f wrote: Doesn't sound like it, but JeeJee did say that which implies that he isn't a medic. On May 20 2009 12:08 l10f wrote: Mafia - any small powerful or influential group in an organization or field; clique. (dictionary.com) On May 20 2009 12:18 l10f wrote: Well you're working with the townies who've played before too so I don't think it's good to assume the Mafia has more experience than we do. Irrelevent to the game - I GOT MY ZEALOT ICON! On May 20 2009 12:34 l10f wrote: Well technically, Shikyo reached the 10 votes first, then went back down, then JeeJee got 10, the Shikyo got 10, in this case, who wins? On May 21 2009 08:32 l10f wrote: As JeeJee pointed out earlier, the Mafia will just avoid the medic list if only those 6 are to be protected. Therefore I recommend that medics make their own decisions so at least SOME of the people on the list is protected to keep Mafia on their toes, but occasionally protect other possible targets besides ones on the list. This will give us the highest chances of blocking a hit from the Mafia. On May 21 2009 09:25 l10f wrote: isn't it already night? Just waiting for the night roles I think. On May 22 2009 08:02 l10f wrote: I'm not suspecting you or anything, but why are you so quick to defend Koopie? If she is playing "stupidly" like you say, it wouldn't hurt the town even if she died. (I'm totally against your opinion that she's playing "stupidly") And, I don't think you are red, but I don't think you have the right to call people "stupid." I'm sure everyone here has the intelligence to play this game well, they are just lacking the experience. Therefore you shouldn't call them "stupid players." Well, now that I got that out of the way, I also agree on Jayme AND the double lynch. At this rate, we might not last too long and we need to use the double lynches. Also, the vigis can start acting now and help us as well, as well as DT's. Also about only 2 people dying, my bet is on that they hit a Veteran. Or a medic-protected person. However, since neither the veteran or the medic is role-claiming, it was probably an inactive person that the mafia targeted. Only two people dying is a definitely good results for us, but we better start to get those mafias very soon. On May 22 2009 08:04 l10f wrote: Yes, I have a bad feeling about the bandwagoning too. Can you tell me why you think Shikyo is a mafia? On May 22 2009 08:54 l10f wrote: Possibly, or maybe he just voted for the heck of it, because no one's gonna follow him and lynch teks UNLESS he is a mafia and the other mafia vote for teks too, but that would be dumb, like saying "WE'RE MAFIA!" so I don't know I'm confused On May 22 2009 08:56 l10f wrote: If I ever wanted to kill someone in my life (which I don't) I think I would hit them in the head, several times. It may be a clue, but in my opinion it's pretty vague. However, if it is one of those three, I believe it maybe Adriix33, because I'm 99% sure JeeJee is clean. On May 22 2009 09:02 l10f wrote: So are you suggesting that you want him dead instead of Jayme? To be honest, all I see here is a foolish townie. However, this post has taken me the better part of the OSL. After OSL finishes, I'll grab a bite to eat and keep chipping away at different people. | ||
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teks
Norway263 Posts
vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: One thing that's confusing me about the people who are accusing Shikyo because jimtudor was on the medic list is they are only accusing Shikyo. You do realize jimtudor was on other people's medic lists (including my own), right? Yet the only one they accuse of any suspicion based on that is Shikyo. Not only that, but putting Jimtudor on the medic list was a GOOD townie call, and mostly everyone agreed on it. How on earth is that suspicious? 1) Jimtudor was a bodyguard, so his spot on the list was correct 2) He was hit by the mafia How would it benefit the mafia to put their own target on the medic list? "But teks, don't you get it? If Jimtudor wasn't on the list, the medics would protect him because they think he's likely to get hit. He's high profiled, yet not on the list!" Even if the list isn't "a list on who the medics should or should not protect, only a list of the people deemed important to the town" - this is a game with a lot of new players, chances are that the medics are new players as well. The safest call for the new medic players would be to protect someone on that list because they'd know the town would support that. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
On May 22 2009 21:36 teks wrote: Great post Judge. Not only that, but putting Jimtudor on the medic list was a GOOD townie call, and mostly everyone agreed on it. How on earth is that suspicious? 1) Jimtudor was a bodyguard, so his spot on the list was correct 2) He was hit by the mafia How would it benefit the mafia to put their own target on the medic list? "But teks, don't you get it? If Jimtudor wasn't on the list, the medics would protect him because they think he's likely to get hit. He's high profiled, yet not on the list!" Even if the list isn't "a list on who the medics should or should not protect, only a list of the people deemed important to the town" - this is a game with a lot of new players, chances are that the medics are new players as well. The safest call for the new medic players would be to protect someone on that list because they'd know the town would support that. Mafia may want to have a mixed list maybe? Would mafia want to make the whole medic list full of mafia? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 22 2009 20:08 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: His profile quote is "Britney 2010. I believe. <3" - Not much help there. Actually... Apparently Britney Spears has this perfume called Believe. http://www.britneyspearsbelieve.com/ As you can see as you enter the site, there are many different, flashy colors. It almost hurts your eyes. That site is also definitely trying to get something sold, so the salesman would make sense. Now, what might be the long metal bar the salesman is hitting his victim with? Oh, that's right. Britney Spears. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On May 22 2009 21:50 Shikyo wrote: Actually... Apparently Britney Spears has this perfume called Believe. http://www.britneyspearsbelieve.com/ As you can see as you enter the site, there are many different, flashy colors. It almost hurts your eyes. That site is also definitely trying to get something sold, so the salesman would make sense. Now, what might be the long metal bar the salesman is hitting his victim with? Oh, that's right. Britney Spears. I think the spear is a bit of a stretch but... the rest is a really good analysis. I'll have more to come... | ||
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teks
Norway263 Posts
On May 22 2009 21:43 zeks wrote: Mafia may want to have a mixed list maybe? Would mafia want to make the whole medic list full of mafia? Yes they would want a mixed list. Are you implying that the other people on the list are mafia, so that Jimtudor was needed on the list to make it mixed? There are many other people they could place on the list that would make perfect sense, as you say, there is no way they would fill it up with only mafia. But to deliberately place the target they ended up hitting on the medic list? I just don't see that happening. Those clues are very interesting by the way, Shikyo. I'll try to take a closer look on the clues we have when day 3 comes. Hopefully we can start gathering the clues and start making mafia profiles by then. (See this post in Mafia VIII for a good example on what we should be doing: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93286¤tpage=83#1654 ) | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
Softer got killed by mafia. The only major contribution softer made was the "eerily crepuscular" connection to Jayme's cat picture. Coincidence? Maybe, but it might hold some weight. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 22 2009 22:04 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: For the record, while I was doing some other research: Softer got killed by mafia. The only major contribution softer made was the "eerily crepuscular" connection to Jayme's cat picture. Coincidence? Maybe, but it might hold some weight. Another was that we should lynch inactives. In fact, I believe that we all should go back and check which players were against lynching inactives. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 22 2009 21:58 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: I think the spear is a bit of a stretch but... the rest is a really good analysis. I'll have more to come... The spear indeed feels like a stretch. However, it would have been way too simple if it had simply stated that it is a spear, so I believe that's what it could be. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 22 2009 21:43 zeks wrote: Mafia may want to have a mixed list maybe? Would mafia want to make the whole medic list full of mafia? Why would mafia place someone they were planning on hitting on the medic list? I assume you think that the mysterious third hit indeed was a second hit for Jimtudor? In that case, why do you feel like they thought that Jimtudor was worth spending 2 hits on? | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
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teks
Norway263 Posts
On May 22 2009 23:06 zeks wrote: Because jim was a good enough contributer that he can't simply be ignored to be part of the medic list. So.. why are we even discussing this then? We all agreed on putting him on the list, and all of a sudden that's suspicious? And if he wasn't put on the list, that would be suspicious as well, right? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 22 2009 23:06 zeks wrote: Because jim was a good enough contributer that he can't simply be ignored to be part of the medic list. Use crate as an example. He's pretty much unanimously agreed upon to be part of the medic list. Mafia have no choice but to put him on their lists. Is he exempt from being hit justbecause he's on a stupid list? Hell no because it'd be more suspicious not to put him on a list when he's done so much. Medic list isn't an immunity list (like JeeJee said). In fact it might be a warning from the mafiathat even the medic list may not be as safe as we think. Didn't you just say that it was suspicious for me to put him on the list? And then you're saying he was a good hit for the mafia, enough to warrant 2 hits? Wouldn't he then be a good pick for me to put on the list. Also, weren't you just a while ago saying that the mafia using 2 hits on jimtudor was highly unlikely? What exactly changed that made you change your opinion? | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
I never said it was suspicious for you to put him on the list - you can try to quote me on that too. All I am saying is that the option of a mafia putting Jim on his/her medic list is totally probable. I never directed anything at you, so I don't know why you're getting so defensive. Read my posts as they are. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
The only thing I see suspicious about Jayme's behavior is that he's dropped off the planet as far as this game is concerned. Anyway, if you believe there is other significant clue evidence against Jayme I would like you to point it out to me. I looked through this entire topic several times yesterday and I'm too lazy to do it again right now. If you refuse to find me this evidence rest assured I will get unlazy before the Day 3 morning post and look for it myself. I don't see great evidence for lynching anyone else right now, but then the only reason I see to lynch Jayme over another inactive is that it gives us a tiny bit of info about our "birdy" ... and that is not much info since we might have missed the real clue toward Jayme or perhaps there is as yet no clue toward him. Or maybe he's an innocent green. I dunno. He's going to die anyway at this rate though. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
teks wrote: and if he does turn out green or blue (let's hope he's not blue atleast), we should have some more material to work on, such as investigating the people who were pushing for his lynch (bandwagon starters). we don't get much info from the votelist for today because only epicdoom and me voted for anyone but Jayme today. There are a few people who refused to jump on the bandwagon early on, but at this point votes mean nothing anyway so who cares? I don't read anything in any votes made since Jayme got to ~15-16 votes. Hell there probably aren't enough active players among the people who have already voted to change the lynch vote by the end of the day even if we get someone roleclaiming mafia. We might be able to read something from who votes for double lynch, but I'm not certain of that either. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 23 2009 02:23 crate wrote: Anyway, if you believe there is other significant clue evidence against Jayme I would like you to point it out to me. I looked through this entire topic several times yesterday and I'm too lazy to do it again right now. If you refuse to find me this evidence rest assured I will get unlazy before the Day 3 morning post and look for it myself. I don't see great evidence for lynching anyone else right now, but then the only reason I see to lynch Jayme over another inactive is that it gives us a tiny bit of info about our "birdy" ... and that is not much info since we might have missed the real clue toward Jayme or perhaps there is as yet no clue toward him. Or maybe he's an innocent green. I dunno. He's going to die anyway at this rate though. Hurry up and get unlazy. I want to see this "evidence" you speak of so I can tell you how wrong and stupid (a word you like to use so often) you are about it. Can you explain how killing Jayme might lead to a bit of info about the "birdy"? Are you saying that the birdy will probably be on the list of people who didn't vote for Jayme? I also think it would be interesting to look at the double lynch and how it got started, there may be something in there that we have overlooked. | ||
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