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SugiuraMidori
Profile Joined May 2009
United States281 Posts
May 23 2009 00:04 GMT
#501
I have no idea what's going on with the double lynch other than the town wanting to get rid of as many mafia as possible as fast as possible... I got here after that whole debate must have gone through... I admit I only followed the crown in voting so I have no real idea other than that on the stem of its origins.
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teks
Profile Joined March 2008
Norway263 Posts
May 23 2009 00:18 GMT
#502
Basically, we don't have that long to reduce mafia's KP, so we better start soon. We have two double lynches available, and can use them on consecutive days, so day 3 and 4 would be good days to use them on. Striking two suspects instead of one hopefully means that we can nail a mafia we otherwise would have missed. I'm all for it.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 23 2009 00:26 GMT
#503
Do you think we can get two mafia each on day 3 and 4?

Considering the wealth of names that have been coming up as suspects I'm completely confident. Sure.

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On the one hand, double lynch tomorrow is the least risk of the town just getting overwhelmed by a mafia bandwagon (especially if Shikyo is red, which gives the mafia two extra votes). On the other hand ... not sure we'll have enough information to out two mafia by the end of Day 3. Waiting till day 4 doesn't doom the town even if we whiff today and Day 3 as long as we have a near-perfect record from there and as long as inactives don't doom us.

My first guess is that I'd rather wait but with the way this town jumped down Jayme's throat I'm certainly not positive that's the right choice. If the mafia get just a couple innocents to start a bandwagon then those players don't check back....

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Stupid.
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SugiuraMidori
Profile Joined May 2009
United States281 Posts
May 23 2009 00:38 GMT
#504
Yes, it would have been nice if Jayme had talked back and responded to this bandwagon but I guess he gave up when we realized he was mafia?

And thanks teks for the reasoning, that helps make it make sense. However, what if we keep hitting town like we did last time and only help the mafia? Would not the double lynch also serve as a double edged sword in that matter. If we just wipe out ourselves without the mafia doing anything against us then we've already lost. I'd personally like to save double lynch for when the DT's can tell us who are guaranteed mafia... or at least the second double lynch.

I mean.. sacrificing one DT for two mafia would be worthwhile right? Then mafia loses hit power and we'll be able to cause them to react, perhaps enough out of character to nab the rest of them through behavior analysis. As by then, day 4 or 5 or so, we're going to be near losing if we don't get any mafia taken down.
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l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
May 23 2009 01:59 GMT
#505
Back from 6 Flags + Church.

From Crate's huge post @ page 23(?)

On May 22 2009 16:19 crate wrote:


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JeeJee wrote:well, let's throw out a name like l10f.
lemme pull up his history
36 27. l10f - bandwagon, puppydog, 'large arg from minute details'(*), against jimmy&the_master, for inactives, votes, no posts 3/5##

comments?
(i won't be around to read them i'm going to sleep)
we have like what, another 24 hours of day left? ho-hum.

I'm guessing this is just a suggestion and not something from "a little birdo"? I'll entertain it for now.

I still think it's interesting that he'd played Mafia before but didn't realize that bandwagons were bad for the town. Also didn't quite understand the medic list at first glance, which is also curious.


You don't seem to understand how Mafia is played in a church retreat with kids ages 9-17. It usually consists of 2-3 Mafias, medics, and townies, and the debates are more about "I heard him raise his hand next to me during mafia's turn to kill" rather than "bandwagoning is bad"

Compared to a game of this caliber, the games I've played required minimal analysis.


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l10f wrote:
I don't think it's a good idea for anyone to change votes unless they're going from abstain -> someone.

I find this amusing when based on the amount of vote-swapping going on in the other game. In context it mostly makes sense though since the candidates' platforms didn't really change much over the course of day 1.

Lots of one-liner agreement posts (clearly not important) in day 1.

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l10f wrote:And, I don't think you are red, but I don't think you have the right to call people "stupid." I'm sure everyone here has the intelligence to play this game well, they are just lacking the experience. Therefore you shouldn't call them "stupid players."

If you wanted clarification, I know full well that the people here are all smart enough to theoretically play well and yes inexperience is probably the biggest cause of dumb posts....

Rest of that post is repeating stuff others had said, which doesn't sound too useful to me...

Well my analysis so far says he hasn't done much useful (not like half of the players here have...) and I find his lack of inexperience very puzzling considering he's played mafia before. Yes I realize it's not the same IRL as on this forum, but still, not understanding bandwagon = bad? Either he made a mistake and he's not as inexperienced as he claims, or...?

[/quote]

I can't say anything about that. I have been completely useless to this game, mostly because I'm afraid to speak out with my ideas, and all the good ones are given by the experienced player, so I just agree with them, or state my simple, humble opinion.

From tomorrow I'll try to take time to make some analysis as well and contribute to the town.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 23 2009 02:22 GMT
#506
On May 23 2009 09:26 crate wrote:
Do you think we can get two mafia each on day 3 and 4?

Considering the wealth of names that have been coming up as suspects I'm completely confident. Sure.

+ Show Spoiler +
On the one hand, double lynch tomorrow is the least risk of the town just getting overwhelmed by a mafia bandwagon (especially if Shikyo is red, which gives the mafia two extra votes). On the other hand ... not sure we'll have enough information to out two mafia by the end of Day 3. Waiting till day 4 doesn't doom the town even if we whiff today and Day 3 as long as we have a near-perfect record from there and as long as inactives don't doom us.

My first guess is that I'd rather wait but with the way this town jumped down Jayme's throat I'm certainly not positive that's the right choice. If the mafia get just a couple innocents to start a bandwagon then those players don't check back....

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Stupid.

I think today is a lost cause, assuming Jayme turns green. If he turns red, I'd be extremely surprised. However, I definitely think it's possible to get 2 mafia on both days, especially if we get some more clues on day 3.

At this point I'd like to ask, what exactly makes you think that I'm mafia? So many people are suspecting me as mafia but don't really give me any reasons. Putting Jimtudor on the medic list? I'm not sure what to say about that. Not contributing? I don't know which thread you are reading. My profile is empty, so all the clues should be about my name.

Japanese English
shikyo death

Maybe you, Koopie, Foolisness and whoever else should now spend a while trying to think of clues pointing to me. You know, it really shouldn't be that hard, since a person dies every time a mafia lynches someone, right? I'm looking forward to reading your suggestions.

Actually, wasn't Koopie really confident that I was mafia, for no reason once again? I actually PMed her, asking why she thought that. And what do you know, she hasn't been around since. That's suspicious if anything. Koopie, why haven't you answered? Don't you know it's rude?

In that MSN conversation, she also wanted iLoveKTF on the medic list, saying that he had contributed a lot; more than Jimtudor, for instance. She seemed to be quite mad at me for putting Jimtudor on the medic list. And then Jimtudor gets hit the following night? It's possible that she's just a stupid townie, but she really hasn't even been TRYING to help the town, at all. Accuse -> disappear -> accuse -> disappear. I'd like you to at least respond to my PM.

As we could see in the msn logs, as well as the thread itself, she was for whatever reason strongly defending iLoveKTF and wanted him on the medic list. Why might that be? iLoveKTF really hasn't contributed to the town AT ALL. Most of his posts just appear to contain something, but are in fact essentially empty.

So, let's talk about iLoveKTF for a while, shall we? Warning: this is going to be LONG. I've decided to spoiler it in order for the post to not take up 5 screens. But don't you dare to argue with me without having read it all.
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"I have decided on this before I have received my role. I will be running for office, either one will do, but I prefer to be Mayor."

Says he decided on this before receiving his role as an attempt to gain trust. He prefers to be Mayor. Note: In crate's analysis, he came to the conclusion(as did I) that Mayor is more important to MAFIA, Sheriff more important to TOWN. Well, it's not like it's strange for a townie to especially ask for mayor(although I can't think of a reason), is it? So maybe he still has good intentions, let's be positive. The rest of his office consisted of him saying that he played well as a medic in the last game; Nothing about what he'll do this game.

After this, he spends a couple of posts adding nothing. Just random commenting about rules and about the day 1 post's style. Note: No attempt at clue analysis. After a little bit of spam, he just is quiet for a while. After this, he tells me he wants the first lynch more than the Sheriff skills. Why might that be? Well, incarcenation is extremely suspicious for mafia to do. If they incarcenate for no reason, they'll be in the meat grinder next. And why would he think that the first lynch is so important, since the town will most likely decide on someone themselves, anyway? Well, he basically tells us to vote for him again. Ok.

Now, let's pick out the interesting, suspicious posts that come by next. Oh, he makes a post, where he says that the medic list is the first priority after elections. Sounds reasonable. However, a few posts after that, he makes a fascinating post. Let me quote an interesting part of it.

On May 19 2009 10:57 iLoveKTF wrote:I suggest we scratch the medic list and trust on our medic's decision on who he/she will protect for night 1. Medics, we trust in you...


Wait, so he suggests us to not have a medic list after all, right after proposing one himself? Especially in a game meant for beginners, when it's likely that they aren't able to properly decide who to protect, and might require some easy reference? And he HAS played before, even well according to himself. So he isn't stupid. His sentence about trusting the medics makes sense, though. If by "we" he means Mafia, that is.

Next, I present my medic list, on page 12. It includes Jimtudor and doesn't have iLoveKTF in it. What does iLoveKTF first say about it? First of all, he doesn't mention at all that 5 pages ago he thought that we don't need a medic list. Then, he thinks that Jimtudor shouldn't be on it because he's under suspicion. Under suspicion? Well, people had been discussing if they should rolecheck the people who lose the run for office and Jimtudor was brought up. Note again how iLoveKTF isn't explaining the suspicion at all, just tells him to read the last few pages. He himself has STILL added ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the game. Repeating others at best.

On May 20 2009 12:59 iLoveKTF wrote:
Things to do right now:

1. Finalize the medic list.
2. Medics do your jobs. (I hope those 2 inactives who havent voted arent medics)
3. Wait for day and see who dies and let the finger pointing begin.


Now, he's just giving orders (that are common sense), not adding anything. Once again.

Ah, now Koopie tells me how iLoveKTF is going to be useful for the town, on page 16. Well that's nice, since until now, he has done absolutely nothing.

But that's all been relatively minor. Now, let's examine this post:

On May 21 2009 12:42 iLoveKTF wrote:
Oh man. I was expecting jimtudor to be red. He really seemed suspicious because he voted for Shikyo, though it didnt matter cause jeejee wouldve won either way, because Jeejee was suspecting him too. Yeah I, along with those who suspected jimtudor, look like mafia right now. But I think the mafia's plan was to kill jimtudor so that the attention will be pointed towards us and not them. I just hope jimtudor didnt role claim to the elected officials cause if he did, we are semi-fucked. And if he did roleclaim, I hope the other BG didnt. Also, If jimtudor roleclaimed then we would know 1 of Jeejee and Shikyo is red.

Right now, I am very suspicious of Shikyo. My theory is that he would put jimtudor in his medic list so that he wont look suspicious if jimtudor died. And if at any case a medic protected jimtudor, the mafia decided to stack 2 hits on him. Ofcourse this wouldnt be true if a medic had a hit blocked last night.

Damn I really thought Jimtudor was red. Sorry man, RIP. :p


Okay, does this make sense to anyone? Why was he really suspicious because he voted for me? Especially since, as he said, it didn't matter. And iLoveKTF really NEVER, EVER said what he exactly thought was suspicious, even before. He just said that he's under suspicion. And then a gigantic apology post, although he did nothing? Who would feel that they need to write a huge post like this in that kind of a situation, where some others had started suspecting him as well(for no reason, may I add)?

Oh, but the fun in this post doesn't end there! The mafia's plan was to kill Jimtudor so that the attention would be pointed towards "us" and not "them"? What the hell? Who would come to that conclusion? That would be such a stupid plan. It's a stupid thing to even lynch a suspected person, as I think I've stated before. Why would the town suddenly think that if someone who people thought was mafia was killed... the people who thought he was mafia would be mafia themselves? It makes no sense. They wouldn't kill him off. They would keep casting suspicion and try to get him lynched. His train of thought makes NO sense. It's sad I already established that he's not stupid, since I'm starting to believe that he actually is pretty damn stupid. Unless, of course, he's a mafia trying to think of something that might fool someone.

Hey, but we're not done with this post yet! At the end, he suspects that I would put Jimtudor on my medic list so that I wouldn't look suspicious if he died. Ummm what? Hey, iLoveKTF, maybe you didn't know, but medics are actually supposed to protect people on that list. But you seem to have a foolproof plan ready! Let's stack 2 hits on Jimtudor! First of all, those hits are valuable for Mafia. if I was planning on getting him killed that night, I could have easily went with the suspicion and took him off the list. Second, very suspicious of me? It's not like other lists didn't have his name there. And then a ridiculous plan that someone needs to explain to me for it to make any sense. Wow. -_-

He's for lynching Jayme, too. I might have to think about this again in the case Jayme is red. But I'm almost sure he'll be green, or even blue(unlikely because of how inactive he is).

He's acting like he's adding something to the discussion by bringing up double lynch. Again, this was inevitable and was probably mentioned before. Posts that appear to have content but in fact do not.

Let's examine these 2 posts, now.

On May 21 2009 14:21 iLoveKTF wrote:
Yeah Im voting to lynch Jayme unless something better comes up. Also, we need to discuss if we are gonna use double lynch for day 3 or not. Imo, yes. Using it after Day3 is wasting too much time. We need as much kills as possible (of course through thorough clue analysis).


On May 21 2009 14:23 iLoveKTF wrote:
edit: by "We need as much kills as possible" I mean "We need as many dead mafia as possible".


Everyone, think to yourself. Would a townie feel the need to correct something like that? Wasn't it obvious what he meant? To me, the correction looked really unnecessary. But maybe he thought he'd come out wrong. Although, why would a townie need to worry about that?

On May 22 2009 12:29 iLoveKTF wrote:
Voted in favor of Double lynch coz fingers have been pointed to alot of people. We'd have many suspects next day.

Abstained from lynching coz I know Jayme is surely gonna get lynched. Currently analyzing some posts/accusations while waiting for Night post.


Or so that you wouldn't be connected to voting for him if he turns green? If Jayme's red, it'd be amazing. I just doubt it. Oh, before that post iLoveKTF was talking about his profile thread. Basically another set of empty posts with no content.



Based on that, I strongly believe that iLoveKTF is mafia. Clues aren't my speciality, but I think some possible ones have already been suggested

I'm still wondering where Koopie is.
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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
May 23 2009 04:04 GMT
#507
f5 f5 f5
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
May 23 2009 04:06 GMT
#508
lmao that's what I'm doing too!
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-23 04:32:10
May 23 2009 04:09 GMT
#509
[image loading]

Night 2

Adriix33 was struck by lightning.

Once again, the town dragged a victim to the gallows. Jayme was hung. Somewhere, an adorable cat went hungry.

Night will once again end in about 24 hours (actions due by 8pm Saturday PST).

omG.[RaYnE] and clazziquai are one missed vote from death.

There will be a double lynch on Day 3.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
May 23 2009 04:09 GMT
#510
surprise!
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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SugiuraMidori
Profile Joined May 2009
United States281 Posts
May 23 2009 04:16 GMT
#511
Wait... whut... way to go town.. I don't think I'm following any more of these so called bandwagons since you guys clearly don't know what is suspicious or not :/

Thinking I'll just vote for whomever I suspect the most from now on.. regardless of what others do.
That means Ra.Xor.22 and iLoveKTF if anyone cares.
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Phelix
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1931 Posts
May 23 2009 04:18 GMT
#512
The bandwagon has struck and failed. The only positive aspect that could come from this would be getting inactive townies killed, which would help the town immensely.
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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
May 23 2009 04:20 GMT
#513
On May 23 2009 13:18 Phelix wrote:
The bandwagon has struck and failed. The only positive aspect that could come from this would be getting inactive townies killed, which would help the town immensely.


How are townspeople dying a positive aspect? Mafia is now one step closer to victory, regardless if they were active or not.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
May 23 2009 04:33 GMT
#514
@ Shikyo's accusations: I'll address it later. Im watch SKT vs KTF atm.

@ Jayme's death. Why are you guys so mad/upset about him flipping green. Its not like you suggested anyone else.
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SugiuraMidori
Profile Joined May 2009
United States281 Posts
May 23 2009 04:47 GMT
#515
On May 23 2009 13:33 iLoveKTF wrote:
@ Shikyo's accusations: I'll address it later. Im watch SKT vs KTF atm.

@ Jayme's death. Why are you guys so mad/upset about him flipping green. Its not like you suggested anyone else.


Sorry KTF, but I happened to point out a bunch of people.. albeit after I'd followed everyone else's direction because I knew they were active when I had not been and would probably know better. Additionally, during the time for which I was once again active no one defended Jayme with any grave amount of evidence to the contrary of him being accused unjustly, or I'd have changed my vote to one I had suspected.
Foolish Brother ... If You Want to Kill Me ... Then Hate, Spite ... and Survive Pathetically. Run and Run ... and Cling Desperately to Life.
Phelix
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1931 Posts
May 23 2009 05:10 GMT
#516
On May 22 2009 12:50 crate wrote:
At this point though I'd be 1a2a3a'ing through the inactives list if I could. They're only hurting us by staying quiet.


On May 22 2009 13:00 JeeJee wrote:
of course the inactives are hurting us
the problem is, there's like ten of them, by the time we're done with them, we're screwed.


The reason I voted for Jayme was that I believed in the fellow townies clue analysis. With regards to lynching, of course we want to lynch mafia. But if there are only a few clues that point to the mafia, the only other response is to lynch inactive townies, because they do not contribute, even if they are blue. Inactive townies help the mafia more by giving the mafia cover and hiding amongst the inactives, thus not narrowing down the list of mafia.
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chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
May 23 2009 05:38 GMT
#517
guys, come on...really? I really have two problems with this town.
1)Elected Officials, DO SOMETHING. YOU ARE PROTECTED UNLESS BODYGUARDS DIE. That means you have way more freedom than anyone else. mafia can't target you so take more risks. really? clue analysis? we need a town web set up asap!

2) DTs, medics, mouths, get in touch with THE ELECTED, i'm not saying role claim, i mean say you're the mouth or that you have info or something. It's better than us sitting around not doing anything!
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 23 2009 05:55 GMT
#518
@Shikyo: My suspicions of you are for the reasons I cited much earlier today. The post you quoted did not accuse you of being mafia, it simply said that if you are then the mafia have 2 more votes, which means they can much more easily overwhelm a split town vote. There's no possible way to rule out the possibility you're mafia just yet, is there? Hence I considered it.

Will post more when I catch up.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 23 2009 06:03 GMT
#519
And since you've read past games, you should know how ineffective clue analysis has traditionally been.

We're 0/1 on it so far this game too. :p

(seriously, next post will be after I catch up)
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
May 23 2009 06:58 GMT
#520
edit: fuck I'm stupid i forgot to add stupid to my two stupid posts above this stupid one

Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Somewhere, an adorable cat went hungry.

haha

@l10f:

Start contributing then.

I understand what you mean about the level of play; my offline games were nowhere near as analyzed as this one.

@Shikyo:

I can't defend Koopie. I thought she'd be a lot more active. She hasn't been. Been a loss to the town for sure. Vote for her if you think she's suspicious. I think she's not, but I understand that no one else has really seen much from her.

Re: iLoveKTF

I say we wait for iLoveKTF's contribution that he's promised before saying more about him. Yes he's been less helpful than I anticipated. Yes perhaps the "we need as many kills as possible" is a hint that he's mafia. Flipflopping on the medic list doesn't look good.

iLoveKTF wrote:
@ Jayme's death. Why are you guys so mad/upset about him flipping green. Its not like you suggested anyone else.

I did. Hell I even voted for him. In retrospect switching to abstain was stupid, but too late to change that now. At least we have to come up with two suspects tomorrow.

If we just fucking bandwagon on day 3....

My advice is to hold off on voting for a while after day 3 begins; I will take a look at the votelist later to see if this is true, but my suspicions are that many people who voted quickly for Jayme did not contribute much if anything to the thread after voting.

chaoser wrote:
2) DTs, medics, mouths, get in touch with THE ELECTED, i'm not saying role claim, i mean say you're the mouth or that you have info or something. It's better than us sitting around not doing anything!

Don't hint at your role if you do this -_-
I don't trust either of them enough to roleclaim.

At this point I'd rather just encourage activity in this thread anyway.

I'm not working much behind the scenes myself; the few people I've been in PM contact with all initiated it and I've tried to keep as much information public as possible. I don't plan to do lots of PM'ing either ... though if anyone has something they want to tell me in private I will be glad to listen.

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Damn this day was slow ... I really expected more from the town. Even most of the day 1 contributors seemed pretty quiet to me on day 2.

Anyway assuming we can find enough contributors to fill out a medic list coming up with one for this night should be a top priority seeing as medic actions are due in <24 hours. I will look through day 2 to see what I think before I go to bed.

TODO: Look for clue analysis on Jayme from day1/day2 that is not the "crepuscular" clue. This, however, can wait until tomorrow (real-time).
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