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On May 23 2009 08:27 0cz3c wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 07:42 Qatol wrote:
Ok I'm going to discuss modkills one more time. I am going to stick with my implementation from earlier in the game as well as the rules which go along with them. They will be discussed at length after this game, but I do not want to change the rules of the game midway through if at all possible.
First of all, no deals. No "please modkill me if X happens." This was stated with Ver and I am stating it again. If you request to be modkilled, you will immediately be killed. I have decided that conditional modkills are not fair play and thus have disallowed them.
Second of all, please be aware of what getting modkilled entails for you. (From the rules) Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game (one such as Pyrrhuloxia's). I am hoping the next host will back me up on enforcement of this rule, thus disallowing anyone who gets modkilled from playing in the next veteran game. Other consequences may be agreed upon in the future as well, but that was the only thing I could think up at the time.
0cz3c, if you still wish to use potentially getting yourself modkilled as a persuasive tool, I will not stop you. However, please be aware of what it entails.
Please note that Ver agreed to these conditions when he was modkilled. I accept the following conditions (but I do not wish to be modkilled right now. I'll request it definitively if MBH does not show up red.). I will definitively ask for one then, and I will accept all the consequences.
I'd require a formal PM anyways.
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On May 23 2009 08:04 MrBabyHands wrote:i'm not gonna argue with you, little man. type as much as you wish. my track record speaks for itself. i havent been wrong about a mafia in the 3 games i've played on here. never. not even once. in fact, i dont recall an instance where i whiffed an analysis of ANYbody in the public thread. when i show my cards, they're right. period. i'm just that good. can you do that? are you as good as me? i'm serious-- these aren't rhetorical questions. look, man. face it, you just got babyhanded. you've been inducted into the babyhand club. members get a free t-shirt.
Everyone.... DO YOU SEE THIS?
Do you see how we responds to a logical argument? He confesses he has nothing to say. He confesses that he will not argue with me. Because he can't. His only response is that he's:" Never been wrong before." You know what that sounds like? That sounds like he's desperate. He's hoping that we stop discussion about me now, as he completely exposed himself. He doesn't even say that he's not mafia. HE DOESN'T EVEN DENY THAT. WHY NOT? BECAUSE HE IS.
Showtime, don't tell me to calm down when people like Tricode are saying that he's not entirely sure that MBH is mafia. It can't possibly be any clearer. The fact that people aren't seeing it justifies any anger I may be showing.
MBH said this: "can you do that? are you as good as me? i'm serious-- these aren't rhetorical questions."
Yes. Yes I can. I just did. And I believe I have found at least two more mafia just in today's day. Time will tell. Thanks for asking me a question that's not rhetorical; in doing so, you gave me to opportunity to answer what you didn't want answered.
Then again, this is essentially the only argument you could possibly use. If I were mafia, you'd have much stronger behavioral analysis, clues, and reason. But you know it. And I know it. And any person with a brain will know it. If you're not in the mafia, you will know it. Showtime, I sure hope you have a brain.
This really is the only thing you can say. You have to resort to it:"look, man. face it, you just got babyhanded. you've been inducted into the babyhand club.
members get a free t-shirt.
" and you know it.
Please, everyone, read his posts, and, read my posts on Page 84. It should be transparent even to a moron that he's a mafia. And I will modkill myself granted that he does not turn up red. But he will.
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On May 23 2009 08:36 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 08:27 0cz3c wrote:On May 23 2009 07:42 Qatol wrote:
Ok I'm going to discuss modkills one more time. I am going to stick with my implementation from earlier in the game as well as the rules which go along with them. They will be discussed at length after this game, but I do not want to change the rules of the game midway through if at all possible.
First of all, no deals. No "please modkill me if X happens." This was stated with Ver and I am stating it again. If you request to be modkilled, you will immediately be killed. I have decided that conditional modkills are not fair play and thus have disallowed them.
Second of all, please be aware of what getting modkilled entails for you. (From the rules) Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game (one such as Pyrrhuloxia's). I am hoping the next host will back me up on enforcement of this rule, thus disallowing anyone who gets modkilled from playing in the next veteran game. Other consequences may be agreed upon in the future as well, but that was the only thing I could think up at the time.
0cz3c, if you still wish to use potentially getting yourself modkilled as a persuasive tool, I will not stop you. However, please be aware of what it entails.
Please note that Ver agreed to these conditions when he was modkilled. I accept the following conditions (but I do not wish to be modkilled right now. I'll request it definitively if MBH does not show up red.). I will definitively ask for one then, and I will accept all the consequences. I'd require a formal PM anyways.
I will give you one granted that my conditions happen to occur. I give the town my word and my honor.
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On May 23 2009 08:54 0cz3c wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 08:36 Qatol wrote:On May 23 2009 08:27 0cz3c wrote:On May 23 2009 07:42 Qatol wrote:
Ok I'm going to discuss modkills one more time. I am going to stick with my implementation from earlier in the game as well as the rules which go along with them. They will be discussed at length after this game, but I do not want to change the rules of the game midway through if at all possible.
First of all, no deals. No "please modkill me if X happens." This was stated with Ver and I am stating it again. If you request to be modkilled, you will immediately be killed. I have decided that conditional modkills are not fair play and thus have disallowed them.
Second of all, please be aware of what getting modkilled entails for you. (From the rules) Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game (one such as Pyrrhuloxia's). I am hoping the next host will back me up on enforcement of this rule, thus disallowing anyone who gets modkilled from playing in the next veteran game. Other consequences may be agreed upon in the future as well, but that was the only thing I could think up at the time.
0cz3c, if you still wish to use potentially getting yourself modkilled as a persuasive tool, I will not stop you. However, please be aware of what it entails.
Please note that Ver agreed to these conditions when he was modkilled. I accept the following conditions (but I do not wish to be modkilled right now. I'll request it definitively if MBH does not show up red.). I will definitively ask for one then, and I will accept all the consequences. I'd require a formal PM anyways. I will give you one granted that my conditions happen to occur. I give the town my word and my honor.
Give me a second. Why dont you modkill now? If you flip townie we lynch MBH. OK?
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On May 23 2009 08:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Most clues, like most games, although don’t always use how a person was killed as a clue, they typically do so I will be concentrating on that for now. Day 1 “Chuiu toppled to the deck. LTT and Qatol picked up the bodies and threw them overboard into the shark-infested waters. They breathed a sigh of relief, but it was short lived. LTT turned just as something bowled into him, knocking him down into the now crimson waters. Qatol turned to see what was happening when a voice spoke from behind him.” Here we have first off, mafia bodies disposed of to ravenous sharks, then, ltt is bowled into the water which leads to his death as well. When it comes to this I believe the link could possibly be PLEXA Why you ask? If you google his signature “Spirit will set you free” it will bring you to a tl page here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81492¤tpage=3On that page has a picture of a shark, as well as a man with his hands outstretched, Upon closer consideration you see it’s a livecast match, between mbc and lecaf. That picture matchup is of shark vs jaedong, who has been nicknamed kitty for this instance. What do cats to when they attack someone, pounce or leap, and if they hit someone it could bowl them forward. Going with the style of cat clue as well, SCAMP has a cat in his profile (same sort of link of cat bowling people over) as well as his name meaning “1 : rascal, rogue 2 : an impish or playful young person” an impish or playful person or a rogue/rascal could fight someone by charging them and pushing them, as watching someone fall into water would be amusing to them. Now for death 2 day 1 “Qatol turned to face this new threat, but was unable to locate the speaker. Suddenly, Qatol saw a blur as his assailant leapt at him, planting a knife in Qatol's chest. LTT's attacker came over and helped push Qatol into the water with the others.” We see again the falling into the water (all bodies fed to sharks) which could refer to plexa but I doubt it. We have instead, someone who qatol couldn’t see, then lept out at him. This would seem to me that he would be either a small man, or invisible. As I doubt anyone is invisible iw ould go for a small man. For the most part. This could link to HEAVONEARTH as in his profile he has linked to his mybrute page. Mybrutes are small, tiny warriors, so leaping up into a taller qatol and killing him wouldn’t be so unexpected. As well, his specific brute has ability to run fast and charge, leaving a blurry trail behind him. MRBABYHANDS possibly as baby would imply small. Day 2 analysis “LucasWoJ was fully injected, but he could still hear the brutality even as he fled. The assailant bellowed again and started slamming the now empty syringe into LucasWoJ's face repeatedly until his face caved in and the only sounds left were guttural yells, the squishy impacts, and the sound of blood splatter. Come morning, there would be little above the neck that could identify LucasWoJ's corpse.” Day 3 post confirms this was caller. Next death “Meanwhile, the second intruder, initially transfixed by the brutal killing, suddenly remembered that there was another target and began the hunt. He climbed the stairs and poked his head into each of the bedrooms but couldn't find anyone. After passing the set of curtains with a conspicuous pair of shoes sticking out for the third time, he heard mikeymoo sneeze. He turned around and shot both feet, causing mikeymoo to fall from his hiding place. The man approached the writhing mikeymoo, dropped his gun, and grabbed one of his fingers. He slowly put pressure on it until it snapped and mikeymoo let out a scream that dwarfed any sounds he had made before. The attacker continued until he ran out of fingers upon which time he pulled out a knife and stabbed mikeymoo in the throat. As his life left him, mikeymoo chuckled at the absurdity of the knife solving the problem of his hoarse, sore throat.” This entire sequence has the feeling of a sense of surrealness. Someone who remembered there was another person to kill. So he went and looked into bedrooms, one at a time. Finds his target and attacks, first immobilizing them, then cruely torturing before the final kill. A link to this could be TRICODE quotation “1 2, he is coming for you” line which is a reference to freddy krugar. Who is a serial killer, who kills people. So one room at a time he persued his victim, till he found him, and slowly killed him. Many others have commented earlier how they thought this might point to dreamflower as it seemed to be like a dream, well, freddy killed people in dreams. Also connection to SCARAMANGA. As he stopped to observe the first attack before he moved on to his own victim. One of the people in profile referenced is kangmin, ie nal_ra who is currently a commentator in korea, hense he would stop to watch. He also has by.flash or young ho and Shine or sang won listed. Both of which are players who would pursue their opponent to the end, preventing them from being able to fight them again. Breaking of the fingers could symbolize the inability of mikeymoo to ever compete against them in their sport again? Weak link but exists Kill 3 “In a different part of town, Fishball was running for his life. His left arm was hanging uselessly at his side, the result of a blow from the man calmly following him. Fishball finally reached the tool shed behind his house. He started fumbling with the lock in an attempt to get the axe inside. He got the door open in time for a kick from his pursuer to knock him to the floor. Fishball coughed while the other man surveyed the inside of the shed. Having made his selection, the attacker grabbed one of the tools leaning against the inside of the shed and kneeled down next to Fishball. "This would have been a lot less painful for you if you had faced me like a man. You need to develop a stronger backbone; I am going to help you with that," quipped the hit man. He then shoved the rake in his hand into Fishball from behind, handle first, as far as he could. He left Fishball flailing on the ground, coming to terms with his newfound confidence but lacking the strength to do anything with it except die.” I would suggest that this links to REBIRTHOFLEGEND. He has a quotation of a ban by hot_bid “Reason: I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you want to troll, I can tell you I have no patience for that. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long moderation career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop the stupidity now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, in one week, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.” This would suggest to me that he is possibly red. As Fishball was sporting a limped arm, much like he ad been warned once before? Then because he didn’t learn, he is chased, and killed, and at the end makes it seem as if he learned the error of his ways. Day 3 First kill “"Well, if you aren't going to cook anything for us..." The smaller man snapped his fingers and infundibulum burst into flames.” Possible linkage to TRICODE, as freddy Krueger kills people in dreams by bursting them into flames. Possible link to HEAVONEARTH as of his tiny mybrute, and I know grenades are weapons in that game, REBIRTHOFLEGEND as in the sense of the poem he has it ends with explode, something could have burst and lit infundi on fire. Second kill “L hunched in the corner of the freezer, trying to make himself as small as possible. The banging on the freezer door was only interrupted by infundibulum's screams. The screams went from muffled to painfully loud as the larger man finally managed to solve the problem posed by the door. He quickly spotted L and started punching him repeatedly. Surprisingly, the blows didn't seem to hurt L as much as he had expected. With the hope of escape now flashing before him, L looked for something to ward off the attacker. He immediately noticed that infundibulum had clearly not defrosted the freezer in months. He was thankful. He broke off one of the icicles and tried to stab his attacker's face with it, but he couldn’t figure out exactly where to stab. L was trying to sort out his confusion when a blow from a blunt object crushed his head. L toppled to the floor. The larger man left the door ajar as he left, ensuring that the freezer would get its long overdue defrosting.” This fight reminds of a HEAVONEARTH, as well, mybrute character, runs in attacks and punches, hes smaller so his fists wouldn’t do the type of damage you would expect. Next, because of his size, you would have a harder time hitting him. The death could also link to TRICODE. This is because the death happened in 3 stages, the first two times fail, and the third succeeds. 1st time when L flees, second when his first hit fails to kill L, third time when he finishes L off just before he is stabbed by an icicle. This could point to him as well. Third kill was on caller by dreamflower, im assuming we can skip it. I would also note Last kill “Someone exited the hotel into the garden in time to see this struggle unfold. He charged towards the struggle and rammed into the plant. The jaws unclenched and Caller’s bones spilled to the ground. Letting out a cry, the would-be savior pulled on the stem until the plant was uprooted. He proceeded to trample dreamflower until only green goo remained.” Not entirely sure on this one.
Ok. You're getting more and more suspicious BloodyCobbler. Better start defending yourself.
Ok. I'll read through this thoroughly.
However, this post is INCREDIBLY SUSPICIOUS.
YOU'RE EVADING MY POST ABOUT MBH. COMPLETELY.
You essentially dismiss him as a suspect. You say that your clue to him, which would presumably be correct, is only tenuous.
And look how long that post is. Unnecessarily long. I suspect that there's very little legitimate content.
TOWN READ. This is what I did last game. Several times when Camlito or Ace made very revealing posts and exposed several mafia, I would always proceed with an extremely large post that would indirectly dismiss what they had said. Why? Because it would force the page to move on. Perhaps someone not in realtime would think that the discussion has moved on as well. It worked brilliantly last game (I mean to say, it was not just me, it was every mafia's strategy). You witnessed that. I mean, you're playing by the cards we played last game. I already mentioned that. And you keep doing it. Here, there it is again.
It worked in the previous game, and you're hoping it works here. Look, your post addresses nothing that's been discussed in the previous page. Why not? And you don't even acknowledge it. That's because it's in the mafia's best interest to cover up what has just been exposed. Now I'm even more convinced that MBH is mafia. I'll be placing my second vote on you unless you can satisfactorily explain why you interrupted a discussion that could have only helped the town.
I'll read your analysis, but I suspect it will be crap. Although, as you yourself say, clue analysis is your specialty. Let's see if that was a lie as well. Heh.
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Malongo...why would we do something like that?
It's almost like saying "hey let's keep mod lynching our townies so we can narrow down mafia"
I haven't done the math, but I think we should do our best to get 2 mafia's down asap. None of this mod kill shit.
We need to lower their kp.
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On May 23 2009 09:01 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 08:54 0cz3c wrote:On May 23 2009 08:36 Qatol wrote:On May 23 2009 08:27 0cz3c wrote:On May 23 2009 07:42 Qatol wrote:
Ok I'm going to discuss modkills one more time. I am going to stick with my implementation from earlier in the game as well as the rules which go along with them. They will be discussed at length after this game, but I do not want to change the rules of the game midway through if at all possible.
First of all, no deals. No "please modkill me if X happens." This was stated with Ver and I am stating it again. If you request to be modkilled, you will immediately be killed. I have decided that conditional modkills are not fair play and thus have disallowed them.
Second of all, please be aware of what getting modkilled entails for you. (From the rules) Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game (one such as Pyrrhuloxia's). I am hoping the next host will back me up on enforcement of this rule, thus disallowing anyone who gets modkilled from playing in the next veteran game. Other consequences may be agreed upon in the future as well, but that was the only thing I could think up at the time.
0cz3c, if you still wish to use potentially getting yourself modkilled as a persuasive tool, I will not stop you. However, please be aware of what it entails.
Please note that Ver agreed to these conditions when he was modkilled. I accept the following conditions (but I do not wish to be modkilled right now. I'll request it definitively if MBH does not show up red.). I will definitively ask for one then, and I will accept all the consequences. I'd require a formal PM anyways. Because I have utter confidence that I'm right. If I modkill myself now, then MBH WILL get away with this. No one else will speak up, I'm sure, or the mafia will attempt to quell discussion, as BC has seemed to have done just now. I will give you one granted that my conditions happen to occur. I give the town my word and my honor. Give me a second. Why dont you modkill now? If you flip townie we lynch MBH. OK?
Nevermind, I did say it. Just in the quote.
Because I have utter confidence that I'm right. If I modkill myself now, then MBH WILL get away with this. No one else will speak up, I'm sure, or the mafia will attempt to quell discussion, as BC has seemed to have done just now.
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On May 23 2009 09:03 Tricode wrote:
Malongo...why would we do something like that?
It's almost like saying "hey let's keep mod lynching our townies so we can narrow down mafia"
I haven't done the math, but I think we should do our best to get 2 mafia's down asap. None of this mod kill shit.
We need to lower their kp.
HUH? Suppose we lynch 0czec and he flips green. What do we do next: lynch MBH if he is alive? Instead lets 0czec show us how green he is, and that can reveal at some rate MBHs allignment. If I see im going to die anyways... i better modkill myself instead. What do you think about Plexa?
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On May 23 2009 08:54 0cz3c wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 08:36 Qatol wrote:On May 23 2009 08:27 0cz3c wrote:On May 23 2009 07:42 Qatol wrote:
Ok I'm going to discuss modkills one more time. I am going to stick with my implementation from earlier in the game as well as the rules which go along with them. They will be discussed at length after this game, but I do not want to change the rules of the game midway through if at all possible.
First of all, no deals. No "please modkill me if X happens." This was stated with Ver and I am stating it again. If you request to be modkilled, you will immediately be killed. I have decided that conditional modkills are not fair play and thus have disallowed them.
Second of all, please be aware of what getting modkilled entails for you. (From the rules) Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game (one such as Pyrrhuloxia's). I am hoping the next host will back me up on enforcement of this rule, thus disallowing anyone who gets modkilled from playing in the next veteran game. Other consequences may be agreed upon in the future as well, but that was the only thing I could think up at the time.
0cz3c, if you still wish to use potentially getting yourself modkilled as a persuasive tool, I will not stop you. However, please be aware of what it entails.
Please note that Ver agreed to these conditions when he was modkilled. I accept the following conditions (but I do not wish to be modkilled right now. I'll request it definitively if MBH does not show up red.). I will definitively ask for one then, and I will accept all the consequences. I'd require a formal PM anyways. I will give you one granted that my conditions happen to occur. I give the town my word and my honor.
0cz, I don't think you get it. It's a lot of work and effort to run these games, and Qatol is doing this for us to play. So it's not fun to be used by the players in your game as a tool. It's frustrating and frankly I think it's rude.
You don't have to request a modkill to get the same effect. You could just stop posting or whatever. But please don't ask people who have put a lot of effort into this game so that we could play to jack up their own game.
Also note that Ver was also modkilled because he threatened to spam the crap out of the game. Not good behavior.
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Scamp, I think I'm fine. Thanks for the concern, though.
Qatol: "
0cz3c, if you still wish to use potentially getting yourself modkilled as a persuasive tool, I will not stop you. However, please be aware of what it entails."
If I am offending you Qatol, then I sincerely apologize. The fact that the town has not yet begun pouring votes for someone very clearly a mafia tells me that I have to use this persuasion.
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People do you realize how badly lost we would be if Ver wouldnt have modkilled himself? Sure he played like an ass this time but his last card was good for us: He cleared a high suspect player and a forced lynch for the town today. I really see that the only people that lost there was mafia because they got more exposed.
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I did the math =\
We might actually be okay unless we keep our bad streak of killing townies.
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So because I ask you to calm the fuck down I'm mafia? Please bud. Wall of texts won't get us anywhere.
I've read what you had to say and I'm trying to go over my clue/behaviour interpretations as we speak.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with what you said. I have a ton of shit to go over and your long ass posts aren't helping.
I don't want deja vu, i.e. Ace and Ver V.S. L. Enough blues blood has been spilled.
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On May 23 2009 09:16 Showtime! wrote:
So because I ask you to calm the fuck down I'm mafia? Please bud. Wall of texts won't get us anywhere.
I've read what you had to say and I'm trying to go over my clue/behaviour interpretations as we speak.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with what you said. I have a ton of shit to go over and your long ass posts aren't helping.
I don't want deja vu, i.e. Ace and Ver V.S. L. Enough blues blood has been spilled.
If I indirectly accused you of being mafia, it wasn't intentional. It doesn't express my current views. I also don't think I stated that you're disagreeing with my views. That's not really my point. Your decision is in the end your choice.
I'm simply saying that it should be clear as daylight to everyone. And therefore I'm also saying that I've been visibly upset because the town has not yet made that transparent connection.
You should take your time in making your decision. I'm simply saying that MBH is mafia. Very visibly. If you want to make sure, that's fine. That's for what I'd hope.
I'd also like to point to the fact that MBH has not yet even said that he's not mafia. I hate beating a dead horse, and I suspect he'll post soon with a mafia-rehearsed reply, but that should be noted as well.
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Did I not say I have him high on my radar too?
You are just looking for a fight.
Just because someone doesn't address your posts doesn't mean they don't agree with it.
Everyone is trying to do their own clue analysis and you aren't helping the cause.
In fact, its deflating the Town's spirit. By asking for a Modkill, you can no longer help us set what is right.
Get a grip and let's try to get the W.
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On May 23 2009 09:26 Showtime! wrote:
Did I not say I have him high on my radar too?
You are just looking for a fight.
Just because someone doesn't address your posts doesn't mean they don't agree with it.
Everyone is trying to do their own clue analysis and you aren't helping the cause.
In fact, its deflating the Town's spirit. By asking for a Modkill, you can no longer help us set what is right.
Get a grip and let's try to get the W.
Oh man. I really tried to tone down my response there. I wasn't trying to pick a fight, honestly. >.>
I think it's my writing style. It gives the tone of aggressiveness. I'm sorry. That's not my intent. I apologized the post above for the reason that I'm hoping that the town can unite instead of bickering, but I guess that wasn't clear enough. I'll work on my posts. 
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It's okay man. I still love you 
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On May 23 2009 09:02 0cz3c wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 08:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Most clues, like most games, although don’t always use how a person was killed as a clue, they typically do so I will be concentrating on that for now. Day 1 “Chuiu toppled to the deck. LTT and Qatol picked up the bodies and threw them overboard into the shark-infested waters. They breathed a sigh of relief, but it was short lived. LTT turned just as something bowled into him, knocking him down into the now crimson waters. Qatol turned to see what was happening when a voice spoke from behind him.” Here we have first off, mafia bodies disposed of to ravenous sharks, then, ltt is bowled into the water which leads to his death as well. When it comes to this I believe the link could possibly be PLEXA Why you ask? If you google his signature “Spirit will set you free” it will bring you to a tl page here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81492¤tpage=3On that page has a picture of a shark, as well as a man with his hands outstretched, Upon closer consideration you see it’s a livecast match, between mbc and lecaf. That picture matchup is of shark vs jaedong, who has been nicknamed kitty for this instance. What do cats to when they attack someone, pounce or leap, and if they hit someone it could bowl them forward. Going with the style of cat clue as well, SCAMP has a cat in his profile (same sort of link of cat bowling people over) as well as his name meaning “1 : rascal, rogue 2 : an impish or playful young person” an impish or playful person or a rogue/rascal could fight someone by charging them and pushing them, as watching someone fall into water would be amusing to them. Now for death 2 day 1 “Qatol turned to face this new threat, but was unable to locate the speaker. Suddenly, Qatol saw a blur as his assailant leapt at him, planting a knife in Qatol's chest. LTT's attacker came over and helped push Qatol into the water with the others.” We see again the falling into the water (all bodies fed to sharks) which could refer to plexa but I doubt it. We have instead, someone who qatol couldn’t see, then lept out at him. This would seem to me that he would be either a small man, or invisible. As I doubt anyone is invisible iw ould go for a small man. For the most part. This could link to HEAVONEARTH as in his profile he has linked to his mybrute page. Mybrutes are small, tiny warriors, so leaping up into a taller qatol and killing him wouldn’t be so unexpected. As well, his specific brute has ability to run fast and charge, leaving a blurry trail behind him. MRBABYHANDS possibly as baby would imply small. Day 2 analysis “LucasWoJ was fully injected, but he could still hear the brutality even as he fled. The assailant bellowed again and started slamming the now empty syringe into LucasWoJ's face repeatedly until his face caved in and the only sounds left were guttural yells, the squishy impacts, and the sound of blood splatter. Come morning, there would be little above the neck that could identify LucasWoJ's corpse.” Day 3 post confirms this was caller. Next death “Meanwhile, the second intruder, initially transfixed by the brutal killing, suddenly remembered that there was another target and began the hunt. He climbed the stairs and poked his head into each of the bedrooms but couldn't find anyone. After passing the set of curtains with a conspicuous pair of shoes sticking out for the third time, he heard mikeymoo sneeze. He turned around and shot both feet, causing mikeymoo to fall from his hiding place. The man approached the writhing mikeymoo, dropped his gun, and grabbed one of his fingers. He slowly put pressure on it until it snapped and mikeymoo let out a scream that dwarfed any sounds he had made before. The attacker continued until he ran out of fingers upon which time he pulled out a knife and stabbed mikeymoo in the throat. As his life left him, mikeymoo chuckled at the absurdity of the knife solving the problem of his hoarse, sore throat.” This entire sequence has the feeling of a sense of surrealness. Someone who remembered there was another person to kill. So he went and looked into bedrooms, one at a time. Finds his target and attacks, first immobilizing them, then cruely torturing before the final kill. A link to this could be TRICODE quotation “1 2, he is coming for you” line which is a reference to freddy krugar. Who is a serial killer, who kills people. So one room at a time he persued his victim, till he found him, and slowly killed him. Many others have commented earlier how they thought this might point to dreamflower as it seemed to be like a dream, well, freddy killed people in dreams. Also connection to SCARAMANGA. As he stopped to observe the first attack before he moved on to his own victim. One of the people in profile referenced is kangmin, ie nal_ra who is currently a commentator in korea, hense he would stop to watch. He also has by.flash or young ho and Shine or sang won listed. Both of which are players who would pursue their opponent to the end, preventing them from being able to fight them again. Breaking of the fingers could symbolize the inability of mikeymoo to ever compete against them in their sport again? Weak link but exists Kill 3 “In a different part of town, Fishball was running for his life. His left arm was hanging uselessly at his side, the result of a blow from the man calmly following him. Fishball finally reached the tool shed behind his house. He started fumbling with the lock in an attempt to get the axe inside. He got the door open in time for a kick from his pursuer to knock him to the floor. Fishball coughed while the other man surveyed the inside of the shed. Having made his selection, the attacker grabbed one of the tools leaning against the inside of the shed and kneeled down next to Fishball. "This would have been a lot less painful for you if you had faced me like a man. You need to develop a stronger backbone; I am going to help you with that," quipped the hit man. He then shoved the rake in his hand into Fishball from behind, handle first, as far as he could. He left Fishball flailing on the ground, coming to terms with his newfound confidence but lacking the strength to do anything with it except die.” I would suggest that this links to REBIRTHOFLEGEND. He has a quotation of a ban by hot_bid “Reason: I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you want to troll, I can tell you I have no patience for that. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long moderation career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop the stupidity now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, in one week, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.” This would suggest to me that he is possibly red. As Fishball was sporting a limped arm, much like he ad been warned once before? Then because he didn’t learn, he is chased, and killed, and at the end makes it seem as if he learned the error of his ways. Day 3 First kill “"Well, if you aren't going to cook anything for us..." The smaller man snapped his fingers and infundibulum burst into flames.” Possible linkage to TRICODE, as freddy Krueger kills people in dreams by bursting them into flames. Possible link to HEAVONEARTH as of his tiny mybrute, and I know grenades are weapons in that game, REBIRTHOFLEGEND as in the sense of the poem he has it ends with explode, something could have burst and lit infundi on fire. Second kill “L hunched in the corner of the freezer, trying to make himself as small as possible. The banging on the freezer door was only interrupted by infundibulum's screams. The screams went from muffled to painfully loud as the larger man finally managed to solve the problem posed by the door. He quickly spotted L and started punching him repeatedly. Surprisingly, the blows didn't seem to hurt L as much as he had expected. With the hope of escape now flashing before him, L looked for something to ward off the attacker. He immediately noticed that infundibulum had clearly not defrosted the freezer in months. He was thankful. He broke off one of the icicles and tried to stab his attacker's face with it, but he couldn’t figure out exactly where to stab. L was trying to sort out his confusion when a blow from a blunt object crushed his head. L toppled to the floor. The larger man left the door ajar as he left, ensuring that the freezer would get its long overdue defrosting.” This fight reminds of a HEAVONEARTH, as well, mybrute character, runs in attacks and punches, hes smaller so his fists wouldn’t do the type of damage you would expect. Next, because of his size, you would have a harder time hitting him. The death could also link to TRICODE. This is because the death happened in 3 stages, the first two times fail, and the third succeeds. 1st time when L flees, second when his first hit fails to kill L, third time when he finishes L off just before he is stabbed by an icicle. This could point to him as well. Third kill was on caller by dreamflower, im assuming we can skip it. I would also note Last kill “Someone exited the hotel into the garden in time to see this struggle unfold. He charged towards the struggle and rammed into the plant. The jaws unclenched and Caller’s bones spilled to the ground. Letting out a cry, the would-be savior pulled on the stem until the plant was uprooted. He proceeded to trample dreamflower until only green goo remained.” Not entirely sure on this one. Ok. You're getting more and more suspicious BloodyCobbler. Better start defending yourself. Ok. I'll read through this thoroughly. However, this post is INCREDIBLY SUSPICIOUS. YOU'RE EVADING MY POST ABOUT MBH. COMPLETELY. You essentially dismiss him as a suspect. You say that your clue to him, which would presumably be correct, is only tenuous. And look how long that post is. Unnecessarily long. I suspect that there's very little legitimate content. TOWN READ. This is what I did last game. Several times when Camlito or Ace made very revealing posts and exposed several mafia, I would always proceed with an extremely large post that would indirectly dismiss what they had said. Why? Because it would force the page to move on. Perhaps someone not in realtime would think that the discussion has moved on as well. It worked brilliantly last game (I mean to say, it was not just me, it was every mafia's strategy). You witnessed that. I mean, you're playing by the cards we played last game. I already mentioned that. And you keep doing it. Here, there it is again. It worked in the previous game, and you're hoping it works here. Look, your post addresses nothing that's been discussed in the previous page. Why not? And you don't even acknowledge it. That's because it's in the mafia's best interest to cover up what has just been exposed. Now I'm even more convinced that MBH is mafia. I'll be placing my second vote on you unless you can satisfactorily explain why you interrupted a discussion that could have only helped the town. I'll read your analysis, but I suspect it will be crap. Although, as you yourself say, clue analysis is your specialty. Let's see if that was a lie as well. Heh.
More as the clue we have on mbh is well hands? So yes, clue wise it is a stretch to him, but he was never really suspected on clue analysis from the get go. All i did was take what we had an attempt to do something with it, you on the other hand, SCREAM AND SHOUT. But now, aside from pointing fingers at mbh, and myself, you point them at anyone who dismisses you. You make long posts that barely provide any substance past.
We're still in this, lets win this. OMG HE ACCUSED ME< KILL IT KILL IT.
How about before we start screaming im useless, you sit down, go through each day post, and then sift through profiles to find matches. Or we can work on exactly what parts of it you have specific issue with, and work on it from there. That is you know, normally what happens. But hey your right 0cz, lets kill the guy trying to help that town, as that always works out well, so much better than killing the one screaming orders without much backing other than "ITS OBVIOUS"
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On May 23 2009 09:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 09:02 0cz3c wrote:On May 23 2009 08:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Most clues, like most games, although don’t always use how a person was killed as a clue, they typically do so I will be concentrating on that for now. Day 1 “Chuiu toppled to the deck. LTT and Qatol picked up the bodies and threw them overboard into the shark-infested waters. They breathed a sigh of relief, but it was short lived. LTT turned just as something bowled into him, knocking him down into the now crimson waters. Qatol turned to see what was happening when a voice spoke from behind him.” Here we have first off, mafia bodies disposed of to ravenous sharks, then, ltt is bowled into the water which leads to his death as well. When it comes to this I believe the link could possibly be PLEXA Why you ask? If you google his signature “Spirit will set you free” it will bring you to a tl page here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81492¤tpage=3On that page has a picture of a shark, as well as a man with his hands outstretched, Upon closer consideration you see it’s a livecast match, between mbc and lecaf. That picture matchup is of shark vs jaedong, who has been nicknamed kitty for this instance. What do cats to when they attack someone, pounce or leap, and if they hit someone it could bowl them forward. Going with the style of cat clue as well, SCAMP has a cat in his profile (same sort of link of cat bowling people over) as well as his name meaning “1 : rascal, rogue 2 : an impish or playful young person” an impish or playful person or a rogue/rascal could fight someone by charging them and pushing them, as watching someone fall into water would be amusing to them. Now for death 2 day 1 “Qatol turned to face this new threat, but was unable to locate the speaker. Suddenly, Qatol saw a blur as his assailant leapt at him, planting a knife in Qatol's chest. LTT's attacker came over and helped push Qatol into the water with the others.” We see again the falling into the water (all bodies fed to sharks) which could refer to plexa but I doubt it. We have instead, someone who qatol couldn’t see, then lept out at him. This would seem to me that he would be either a small man, or invisible. As I doubt anyone is invisible iw ould go for a small man. For the most part. This could link to HEAVONEARTH as in his profile he has linked to his mybrute page. Mybrutes are small, tiny warriors, so leaping up into a taller qatol and killing him wouldn’t be so unexpected. As well, his specific brute has ability to run fast and charge, leaving a blurry trail behind him. MRBABYHANDS possibly as baby would imply small. Day 2 analysis “LucasWoJ was fully injected, but he could still hear the brutality even as he fled. The assailant bellowed again and started slamming the now empty syringe into LucasWoJ's face repeatedly until his face caved in and the only sounds left were guttural yells, the squishy impacts, and the sound of blood splatter. Come morning, there would be little above the neck that could identify LucasWoJ's corpse.” Day 3 post confirms this was caller. Next death “Meanwhile, the second intruder, initially transfixed by the brutal killing, suddenly remembered that there was another target and began the hunt. He climbed the stairs and poked his head into each of the bedrooms but couldn't find anyone. After passing the set of curtains with a conspicuous pair of shoes sticking out for the third time, he heard mikeymoo sneeze. He turned around and shot both feet, causing mikeymoo to fall from his hiding place. The man approached the writhing mikeymoo, dropped his gun, and grabbed one of his fingers. He slowly put pressure on it until it snapped and mikeymoo let out a scream that dwarfed any sounds he had made before. The attacker continued until he ran out of fingers upon which time he pulled out a knife and stabbed mikeymoo in the throat. As his life left him, mikeymoo chuckled at the absurdity of the knife solving the problem of his hoarse, sore throat.” This entire sequence has the feeling of a sense of surrealness. Someone who remembered there was another person to kill. So he went and looked into bedrooms, one at a time. Finds his target and attacks, first immobilizing them, then cruely torturing before the final kill. A link to this could be TRICODE quotation “1 2, he is coming for you” line which is a reference to freddy krugar. Who is a serial killer, who kills people. So one room at a time he persued his victim, till he found him, and slowly killed him. Many others have commented earlier how they thought this might point to dreamflower as it seemed to be like a dream, well, freddy killed people in dreams. Also connection to SCARAMANGA. As he stopped to observe the first attack before he moved on to his own victim. One of the people in profile referenced is kangmin, ie nal_ra who is currently a commentator in korea, hense he would stop to watch. He also has by.flash or young ho and Shine or sang won listed. Both of which are players who would pursue their opponent to the end, preventing them from being able to fight them again. Breaking of the fingers could symbolize the inability of mikeymoo to ever compete against them in their sport again? Weak link but exists Kill 3 “In a different part of town, Fishball was running for his life. His left arm was hanging uselessly at his side, the result of a blow from the man calmly following him. Fishball finally reached the tool shed behind his house. He started fumbling with the lock in an attempt to get the axe inside. He got the door open in time for a kick from his pursuer to knock him to the floor. Fishball coughed while the other man surveyed the inside of the shed. Having made his selection, the attacker grabbed one of the tools leaning against the inside of the shed and kneeled down next to Fishball. "This would have been a lot less painful for you if you had faced me like a man. You need to develop a stronger backbone; I am going to help you with that," quipped the hit man. He then shoved the rake in his hand into Fishball from behind, handle first, as far as he could. He left Fishball flailing on the ground, coming to terms with his newfound confidence but lacking the strength to do anything with it except die.” I would suggest that this links to REBIRTHOFLEGEND. He has a quotation of a ban by hot_bid “Reason: I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you want to troll, I can tell you I have no patience for that. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long moderation career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop the stupidity now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, in one week, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.” This would suggest to me that he is possibly red. As Fishball was sporting a limped arm, much like he ad been warned once before? Then because he didn’t learn, he is chased, and killed, and at the end makes it seem as if he learned the error of his ways. Day 3 First kill “"Well, if you aren't going to cook anything for us..." The smaller man snapped his fingers and infundibulum burst into flames.” Possible linkage to TRICODE, as freddy Krueger kills people in dreams by bursting them into flames. Possible link to HEAVONEARTH as of his tiny mybrute, and I know grenades are weapons in that game, REBIRTHOFLEGEND as in the sense of the poem he has it ends with explode, something could have burst and lit infundi on fire. Second kill “L hunched in the corner of the freezer, trying to make himself as small as possible. The banging on the freezer door was only interrupted by infundibulum's screams. The screams went from muffled to painfully loud as the larger man finally managed to solve the problem posed by the door. He quickly spotted L and started punching him repeatedly. Surprisingly, the blows didn't seem to hurt L as much as he had expected. With the hope of escape now flashing before him, L looked for something to ward off the attacker. He immediately noticed that infundibulum had clearly not defrosted the freezer in months. He was thankful. He broke off one of the icicles and tried to stab his attacker's face with it, but he couldn’t figure out exactly where to stab. L was trying to sort out his confusion when a blow from a blunt object crushed his head. L toppled to the floor. The larger man left the door ajar as he left, ensuring that the freezer would get its long overdue defrosting.” This fight reminds of a HEAVONEARTH, as well, mybrute character, runs in attacks and punches, hes smaller so his fists wouldn’t do the type of damage you would expect. Next, because of his size, you would have a harder time hitting him. The death could also link to TRICODE. This is because the death happened in 3 stages, the first two times fail, and the third succeeds. 1st time when L flees, second when his first hit fails to kill L, third time when he finishes L off just before he is stabbed by an icicle. This could point to him as well. Third kill was on caller by dreamflower, im assuming we can skip it. I would also note Last kill “Someone exited the hotel into the garden in time to see this struggle unfold. He charged towards the struggle and rammed into the plant. The jaws unclenched and Caller’s bones spilled to the ground. Letting out a cry, the would-be savior pulled on the stem until the plant was uprooted. He proceeded to trample dreamflower until only green goo remained.” Not entirely sure on this one. Ok. You're getting more and more suspicious BloodyCobbler. Better start defending yourself. Ok. I'll read through this thoroughly. However, this post is INCREDIBLY SUSPICIOUS. YOU'RE EVADING MY POST ABOUT MBH. COMPLETELY. You essentially dismiss him as a suspect. You say that your clue to him, which would presumably be correct, is only tenuous. And look how long that post is. Unnecessarily long. I suspect that there's very little legitimate content. TOWN READ. This is what I did last game. Several times when Camlito or Ace made very revealing posts and exposed several mafia, I would always proceed with an extremely large post that would indirectly dismiss what they had said. Why? Because it would force the page to move on. Perhaps someone not in realtime would think that the discussion has moved on as well. It worked brilliantly last game (I mean to say, it was not just me, it was every mafia's strategy). You witnessed that. I mean, you're playing by the cards we played last game. I already mentioned that. And you keep doing it. Here, there it is again. It worked in the previous game, and you're hoping it works here. Look, your post addresses nothing that's been discussed in the previous page. Why not? And you don't even acknowledge it. That's because it's in the mafia's best interest to cover up what has just been exposed. Now I'm even more convinced that MBH is mafia. I'll be placing my second vote on you unless you can satisfactorily explain why you interrupted a discussion that could have only helped the town. I'll read your analysis, but I suspect it will be crap. Although, as you yourself say, clue analysis is your specialty. Let's see if that was a lie as well. Heh. More as the clue we have on mbh is well hands? So yes, clue wise it is a stretch to him, but he was never really suspected on clue analysis from the get go. All i did was take what we had an attempt to do something with it, you on the other hand, SCREAM AND SHOUT. But now, aside from pointing fingers at mbh, and myself, you point them at anyone who dismisses you. You make long posts that barely provide any substance past. We're still in this, lets win this. OMG HE ACCUSED ME< KILL IT KILL IT. How about before we start screaming im useless, you sit down, go through each day post, and then sift through profiles to find matches. Or we can work on exactly what parts of it you have specific issue with, and work on it from there. That is you know, normally what happens. But hey your right 0cz, lets kill the guy trying to help that town, as that always works out well, so much better than killing the one screaming orders without much backing other than "ITS OBVIOUS"
I'm still not finished with your post. Please bear with me. It's fairly long. I made this clear in my post.
I'm not pointing fingers left and right. I just apologized for that lack of clarity: I'll work on it, for I realize it's not beneficial for the our [the town's] (you're not part of this our in my eyes) success. I'm insinuating that some people in the thread may very well be mafia. I'm making that explicit to the town. This technique has made almost certainly clear to me one person's innocence in the past five pages. And I doubt I'm wrong. On the other hand, I am pointing fingers and you and MBH. At you, because you're doing what I did last game; at MBH, because of his revealing strategy this game (and, by the way, when he turns up red, he can only blame himself for poor play. I doubt he thought this entirely through).
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By the way, if I'm not mistaken, you're saying that there are no clues to MBH. That's just not true. RoL, if I'm not mistaken, posted something about MBH before. I can find it if you'd like. Of course, that shouldn't make a difference, because the behavior here is far more incriminating than a clue could possibly be. In my eyes this is definitive; I suppose I must let you guys come to that same conclusion, but I'm openly declaring now that it would be a certain mistake not to kill him. (I'm toning down the posting, but know that I feel fully confident that you're mafia. Not off the hook from me yet. Not until Memorial Day Weekend, when I will not have access to a computer.
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