Mafia VIII [GG] - Page 58

On May 21 2009 02:20 L wrote:


Depends on how Ver/x flips as well. What happens if you flip red, ace? What happens to that train of mafia that voteswung you?

Someone's afraid.

On May 21 2009 02:21 Ace wrote:
1.) I have not shown suspicious behavior. That's just you trying to convince yourself you need a reason to lynch me. Look at how many people have said I haven't even done anything wrong. Keep telling yourself that though.

2.) Pardons can HELP the town. How many times have I already shown you that I've ALWAYS caught the bandwagoned townie and stuck up for them? Plenty. So don't try that bullshit.

3.) YOU GET ZERO INFORMATION FROM MY DEATH
what are you going to do? What "side" do I have? Who can you say I'm working with? Go ahead, answer these questions. No matter what color I flip you find nothing out because there is no one in the entire game I'm associated with. I've said this countless times and you keep ignoring it. Look at my vote list all you want - it all happened after my platform post. Hence, you can't honestly say it's pure townie or majority mafia and you keep ignoring this point.

What if Ace and Ver are Mafia? Holy shit! yes what if we BOTH are Mafia!

Then it made perfect sense to kill the 2 people protecting us from Vigis and draw suspicion on ourselves!

LOL thats just STUPID. L - your getting desperate. Just stop.

On May 21 2009 02:22 Ace wrote:


Yes, because all the Mafia, even though there are only a few them all voted for me enough that they'd be caught that easily.

Yes L, your logic is frightening.

On May 21 2009 02:31 L wrote:

1) yes you have. you initially supported ver, switched on a dime the moment day 2 happened. you denied supporting people I've given 100% proof you did. you've ignored a massive amount of information against you. you have a fucking shifty ass voting record behind you. you consistently misrepresent the abilities of the pardoner. you use emotional language instead of providing solid logical argumentation. you readily admit that someone who ran is likely mafia. I can go on.

2)Pardoning cannot help the town. If you want to stop a bandwagoned townie, you need to convince the town of doing so. The only time this can be used effectively is if the townie is confirmed, and I don't see how we can confirm people in this game outside of PM work.

3) I get plenty of information from your death. Believe me. You pretend you aren't associated with anyone? Your supporters and those you supported during day one are fairly good connections, as are the people who voted for you today, and the people defending you today. There's plenty of information to be gained. Its pretty fucking obvious we're getting information from your death. Its also important that we can gain further information by eliminating the threat of a mafia pardon to allow double lynches.

On May 21 2009 02:37 Ace wrote:


1.) DUH! Both of the bodyguards die that protect myself and him, Ver lynches a guy who he never brought up to me in PM and then stops posting? He makes some jackass post about trying to trick me - No shit why wouldn't I suspect him? How is that suspicious? *puts dunce cap on L*

2.) Pardoning can't help the town? Are you retarded? How many times have I shown that I've ALWAYS got the right guy pinned. Go ahead and try and deny it. Every single time I've stuck up for someone they flipped Town right? Right. So if you guys are about to lynch him and I pardon him then obviously I did my job right. The evidence is there and your just bullshitting. Your last sentence is even more laughable - they can only be confirmed outside of PM work...really? So all those times I knew those guys were innocent I went to Little Tokyo and paid some guy to read my fortune? Genius.

3.) No you don't because you can't answer this simple question - WHO is associated with me?
Saying your going to look at who voted for me is hogwash. Who are my supporters? list them. What are there connections to me? List those too. how about we eliminate you because hey - you just might be mafia too! In fact I hope you do get vigi'd tonight just so I can be like well...we gained a lot of information from his death.

From: Ace
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: 5/18/09 00:19
paranoid towny, or mafia trying to change his style. Either way I'm slightly ignoring his posts at the moment.

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Original Message:
What do u think about L?

On May 21 2009 02:37 L wrote:
Let me ask the number of players who are voting and ignoring the thread.

What happens if Ver flips towns?

What happens if both candidates are mafia?

On May 21 2009 02:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

If Ver flips town then FUCK. Its the risk we take EVERY TIME we lynch someone. We have to work with what we got, if nothing else it limits who the vision/sight clues can link to.

If Ver flips innocent and we believe for SURE that one offical HAS to be a mafia (for whatever fucking reason) we can request that the Vigi hits him. Even if it causes chaos with no officials. I understand Ver is busy, maybe its just an excuse or maybe its not. Why would he sign up for mafia if he has SUCH important exams coming up? I thought all of us were basically out of school now. But whatever, maybe its legit. In fact it most likely is. But his posts still have not been THAT constructive. Hes not really doing much.

most likely both

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Original Message:
do you think L is traitor or something

or is he just retarded

On May 21 2009 02:51 Mynock wrote:
L, you honestly think there's some kind of underground network you're going to flush out once Ace is dead?

Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round:



Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that.

On May 21 2009 02:51 L wrote:


1. Don't ignore everything else, good sir. Throwing up an either/or red herring is standard. Both of you would be in on it so the plausibility of the situation is irrelevant if you're both mafia.

2. How many times have you played mafia and abused the fact that you were respected by the town? Why should this rest on the fact that people need to ASSUME you're innocent? All of this assumes you're innocent. My plan DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT ASSUMPTION. My plan provides maximum effect EXCEPT in the case that you/ver flip double innocent. No one agrees that's possible.

3. Who?

Musketeers (Ver Mynock) and people you've supported (Tricode, etc)

The entire votelist for you (0cz3c <-- from Ver
Ver <-- from Caller
Malongo <-- from Fishball
mikeymoo <-- from Mynock
MrBabyHands
HeavOnEarth <-- from Abstain
Scamp <-- from nemY
Bockit <-- from Mynock
Mynock < -- from Ver
Ver <-- from Showtime!
Tricode <-- from Mynock)

Bolded extra suspicion due to overlap. Depending on how Ver's flip comes up, these would be analyzed differently. Mafia wouldn't have had the impetus to seed a bangwagon on you if they had ver going, for instance, but they would have had the impetus to voteswing you. If you and Ver are red, tricode is likely red as well. If Ver is green and you are red, Malongo MBH and HeavOnEarth become more suspicious.

The people who have defended you.

Caller, Mynock etc. These will be cross referenced with the Ver list depending on how he turns. Caller, for instance, on a double red, would look red as well. Cobbler would look very red too.

But that's all preliminary because I'm going to go back to all of the old posts and review them in depth and I'll invite everyone to do so with me while we have a few people clue checking. We're also going to have another 3 mafia clues to examine, another hitlist to look at and all of the content posted in-thread until then.

On May 21 2009 02:51 Mynock wrote:
L, you honestly think there's some kind of underground network you're going to flush out once Ace is dead?

Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round:



Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that.

To: Bockit
Subject: Re: If it makes a difference
Date: 5/20/09 13:34
Ok.

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Original Message:
I too feel that the argument between Ace and Ver back during the election was terribly contrived.

I do want to see Ace killed tonight (as in, before I agreed to your plan in the thread), part of the reasoning behind my posts in the thread was that I wanted to see how Ace responded to my defense of him, and your accusation. He just sat back, which to me indicates more that he's mafia, as they are usually willing to let Town do their work for them (in this case me arguing for him). I'm pretty confident now I've agreed to the plan you're proposing, we're going to see Ace come rocking into the thread "What the fuck is wrong with the town" etc.

If he does, I'm going to post this pm btw.

On May 21 2009 02:59 L wrote:


Lol, compare that to my pms:



And its not really an underground network. Voting in mafia to office always uses the same pattern. Go look at previous games. No, seriously, this is Mynock homework. Want to do some good for the town? Go label the voting order for every mafia voter in each mafia office attempt. See if you find a pattern. I know what it is and have posted it. Go see if i'm full of shit.

On May 21 2009 02:59 L wrote:


Lol, compare that to my pms:



And its not really an underground network. Voting in mafia to office always uses the same pattern. Go look at previous games. No, seriously, this is Mynock homework. Want to do some good for the town? Go label the voting order for every mafia voter in each mafia office attempt. See if you find a pattern. I know what it is and have posted it. Go see if i'm full of shit.

On May 21 2009 02:58 Ace wrote:


LOL.

What the fuck?

So your plan is just kill everyone who I've even remotely been nice to or complimented - absolutely brilliant. I've supported Tricode?! - LOL! Sure L, sure I have. You still haven't answered my questions even remotely well.

It still stands - if both Ver and I were red why would we kill both of the bodyguards? You're about to kill off a lot of innocents and waste double lynches and NOT play it safe - the very thing you accused me of doing. You're playing like shit - stop your nonsense.

It still stands - if both Ver and I were red why would we kill both of the bodyguards?

On May 21 2009 03:00 Ace wrote:


Oh shit I have the same PM L! Guess that means your part of the underground Mafia network too now!