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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 20 2009 17:22 GMT
#1141
On May 21 2009 02:20 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 02:07 Ace wrote:
Ok L since your "logic" just begs the question:

Once I'm dead and I flip green what does that tell you? Who looks guilty or innocent by my death?

Answer this please.


Depends on how Ver/x flips as well. What happens if you flip red, ace? What happens to that train of mafia that voteswung you?

Someone's afraid.


Yes, because all the Mafia, even though there are only a few them all voted for me enough that they'd be caught that easily.

Yes L, your logic is frightening.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 20 2009 17:31 GMT
#1142
On May 21 2009 02:21 Ace wrote:
1.) I have not shown suspicious behavior. That's just you trying to convince yourself you need a reason to lynch me. Look at how many people have said I haven't even done anything wrong. Keep telling yourself that though.

2.) Pardons can HELP the town. How many times have I already shown you that I've ALWAYS caught the bandwagoned townie and stuck up for them? Plenty. So don't try that bullshit.

3.) YOU GET ZERO INFORMATION FROM MY DEATH
what are you going to do? What "side" do I have? Who can you say I'm working with? Go ahead, answer these questions. No matter what color I flip you find nothing out because there is no one in the entire game I'm associated with. I've said this countless times and you keep ignoring it. Look at my vote list all you want - it all happened after my platform post. Hence, you can't honestly say it's pure townie or majority mafia and you keep ignoring this point.

What if Ace and Ver are Mafia? Holy shit! yes what if we BOTH are Mafia!

Then it made perfect sense to kill the 2 people protecting us from Vigis and draw suspicion on ourselves!

LOL thats just STUPID. L - your getting desperate. Just stop.

1) yes you have. you initially supported ver, switched on a dime the moment day 2 happened. you denied supporting people I've given 100% proof you did. you've ignored a massive amount of information against you. you have a fucking shifty ass voting record behind you. you consistently misrepresent the abilities of the pardoner. you use emotional language instead of providing solid logical argumentation. you readily admit that someone who ran is likely mafia. I can go on.

2)Pardoning cannot help the town. If you want to stop a bandwagoned townie, you need to convince the town of doing so. The only time this can be used effectively is if the townie is confirmed, and I don't see how we can confirm people in this game outside of PM work.

3) I get plenty of information from your death. Believe me. You pretend you aren't associated with anyone? Your supporters and those you supported during day one are fairly good connections, as are the people who voted for you today, and the people defending you today. There's plenty of information to be gained. Its pretty fucking obvious we're getting information from your death. Its also important that we can gain further information by eliminating the threat of a mafia pardon to allow double lynches.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 20 2009 17:32 GMT
#1143
On May 21 2009 02:22 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 02:20 L wrote:
On May 21 2009 02:07 Ace wrote:
Ok L since your "logic" just begs the question:

Once I'm dead and I flip green what does that tell you? Who looks guilty or innocent by my death?

Answer this please.


Depends on how Ver/x flips as well. What happens if you flip red, ace? What happens to that train of mafia that voteswung you?

Someone's afraid.


Yes, because all the Mafia, even though there are only a few them all voted for me enough that they'd be caught that easily.

Yes L, your logic is frightening.

I never said all mafia. 1 or 2 would be enough to draw connections to and from.

You know very well that mafia would never go all in like that, but that they would concentrate themselves or start off a bandwagon.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 20 2009 17:37 GMT
#1144
On May 21 2009 02:31 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 02:21 Ace wrote:
1.) I have not shown suspicious behavior. That's just you trying to convince yourself you need a reason to lynch me. Look at how many people have said I haven't even done anything wrong. Keep telling yourself that though.

2.) Pardons can HELP the town. How many times have I already shown you that I've ALWAYS caught the bandwagoned townie and stuck up for them? Plenty. So don't try that bullshit.

3.) YOU GET ZERO INFORMATION FROM MY DEATH
what are you going to do? What "side" do I have? Who can you say I'm working with? Go ahead, answer these questions. No matter what color I flip you find nothing out because there is no one in the entire game I'm associated with. I've said this countless times and you keep ignoring it. Look at my vote list all you want - it all happened after my platform post. Hence, you can't honestly say it's pure townie or majority mafia and you keep ignoring this point.

What if Ace and Ver are Mafia? Holy shit! yes what if we BOTH are Mafia!

Then it made perfect sense to kill the 2 people protecting us from Vigis and draw suspicion on ourselves!

LOL thats just STUPID. L - your getting desperate. Just stop.

1) yes you have. you initially supported ver, switched on a dime the moment day 2 happened. you denied supporting people I've given 100% proof you did. you've ignored a massive amount of information against you. you have a fucking shifty ass voting record behind you. you consistently misrepresent the abilities of the pardoner. you use emotional language instead of providing solid logical argumentation. you readily admit that someone who ran is likely mafia. I can go on.

2)Pardoning cannot help the town. If you want to stop a bandwagoned townie, you need to convince the town of doing so. The only time this can be used effectively is if the townie is confirmed, and I don't see how we can confirm people in this game outside of PM work.

3) I get plenty of information from your death. Believe me. You pretend you aren't associated with anyone? Your supporters and those you supported during day one are fairly good connections, as are the people who voted for you today, and the people defending you today. There's plenty of information to be gained. Its pretty fucking obvious we're getting information from your death. Its also important that we can gain further information by eliminating the threat of a mafia pardon to allow double lynches.


1.) DUH! Both of the bodyguards die that protect myself and him, Ver lynches a guy who he never brought up to me in PM and then stops posting? He makes some jackass post about trying to trick me - No shit why wouldn't I suspect him? How is that suspicious? *puts dunce cap on L*

2.) Pardoning can't help the town? Are you retarded? How many times have I shown that I've ALWAYS got the right guy pinned. Go ahead and try and deny it. Every single time I've stuck up for someone they flipped Town right? Right. So if you guys are about to lynch him and I pardon him then obviously I did my job right. The evidence is there and your just bullshitting. Your last sentence is even more laughable - they can only be confirmed outside of PM work...really? So all those times I knew those guys were innocent I went to Little Tokyo and paid some guy to read my fortune? Genius.

3.) No you don't because you can't answer this simple question - WHO is associated with me?
Saying your going to look at who voted for me is hogwash. Who are my supporters? list them. What are there connections to me? List those too. how about we eliminate you because hey - you just might be mafia too! In fact I hope you do get vigi'd tonight just so I can be like well...we gained a lot of information from his death.

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 20 2009 17:37 GMT
#1145
Let me ask the number of players who are voting and ignoring the thread.

What happens if Ver flips towns?

What happens if both candidates are mafia?
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 20 2009 17:50 GMT
#1146
well finally done reading. I don't have much to say except I agree. L your being a little too rage even for me I am not too sure about either candidate, but Ace seems almost reasonable by his usual douche standards. I voted Ver and am waiting for the day post. I do believe that you read way too much into Ace support Ver/Mynock. It was basically one line that coincided with his "DON'T ELECT NEMY BECAUSE HES A FUCK FACE MORON, ELECT QUALITY LEADERSHIP"

Do I think if Nemy, Ver, Mynock, and Ace were all guaranteed 100% innocent that nemy would be BY FAR the worst qualified candidate? you fucking bet. I would certainly take a townie ver/ace/mynock over a super cracked out DT/Jack(if there was one) nemy just because they are much more skilled at leading or guiding.

The only reason I wanted to vote for nemy was because I believed his behavior coincided with innocence. I guess I still do, not much to dissuade me either way except his clue check which looked pretty good.

I was having trouble reading Ver and Ace so I didn't want to vote them. That was all.

Ace didn't want a bad player in office, even if he was 100% confirmed innocent (Not saying nemy was) he wanted someone who was a strong leader regardless. Which is why his line referred to supporting the three musketeers over nemy.

that was the logic there, besides that Ace didn't really say much in regards to them. I am sure by tomorrow nemy will be either dead or have a valuable role check to work with.

As for the current situation, Ver is being too quiet, I don't know what the deal is there. But there is also some decent clues towards him with some suspicious behavior. I would have to say decent chance of him being mafia/traitor.

Oh and Ace, I have decided to change my stance on day one DT role calling. I thought you would be happy.

The drama it invokes is barely good for behavioral interpretation because of the views of you and many others of just KILL the suspected DT first. Which the mafia would also agree with. So it doesn't help much assuming MOST people think like that.

In short, if you are a DT, don't fucking role call Day 1. If you are dumb enough to flip up with your behavior and think you give yourself away, don't make it the towns problem and draw definite attention to yourself. Maybe you are just being paranoid. Try to do whatever you can to change teh thoughts of you being DT away from you. Its not that hard so don't be a jackass and cause chaos, which I agree ONLY helps the movie.
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 20 2009 17:51 GMT
#1147
On May 21 2009 02:37 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 02:31 L wrote:
On May 21 2009 02:21 Ace wrote:
1.) I have not shown suspicious behavior. That's just you trying to convince yourself you need a reason to lynch me. Look at how many people have said I haven't even done anything wrong. Keep telling yourself that though.

2.) Pardons can HELP the town. How many times have I already shown you that I've ALWAYS caught the bandwagoned townie and stuck up for them? Plenty. So don't try that bullshit.

3.) YOU GET ZERO INFORMATION FROM MY DEATH
what are you going to do? What "side" do I have? Who can you say I'm working with? Go ahead, answer these questions. No matter what color I flip you find nothing out because there is no one in the entire game I'm associated with. I've said this countless times and you keep ignoring it. Look at my vote list all you want - it all happened after my platform post. Hence, you can't honestly say it's pure townie or majority mafia and you keep ignoring this point.

What if Ace and Ver are Mafia? Holy shit! yes what if we BOTH are Mafia!

Then it made perfect sense to kill the 2 people protecting us from Vigis and draw suspicion on ourselves!

LOL thats just STUPID. L - your getting desperate. Just stop.

1) yes you have. you initially supported ver, switched on a dime the moment day 2 happened. you denied supporting people I've given 100% proof you did. you've ignored a massive amount of information against you. you have a fucking shifty ass voting record behind you. you consistently misrepresent the abilities of the pardoner. you use emotional language instead of providing solid logical argumentation. you readily admit that someone who ran is likely mafia. I can go on.

2)Pardoning cannot help the town. If you want to stop a bandwagoned townie, you need to convince the town of doing so. The only time this can be used effectively is if the townie is confirmed, and I don't see how we can confirm people in this game outside of PM work.

3) I get plenty of information from your death. Believe me. You pretend you aren't associated with anyone? Your supporters and those you supported during day one are fairly good connections, as are the people who voted for you today, and the people defending you today. There's plenty of information to be gained. Its pretty fucking obvious we're getting information from your death. Its also important that we can gain further information by eliminating the threat of a mafia pardon to allow double lynches.


1.) DUH! Both of the bodyguards die that protect myself and him, Ver lynches a guy who he never brought up to me in PM and then stops posting? He makes some jackass post about trying to trick me - No shit why wouldn't I suspect him? How is that suspicious? *puts dunce cap on L*

2.) Pardoning can't help the town? Are you retarded? How many times have I shown that I've ALWAYS got the right guy pinned. Go ahead and try and deny it. Every single time I've stuck up for someone they flipped Town right? Right. So if you guys are about to lynch him and I pardon him then obviously I did my job right. The evidence is there and your just bullshitting. Your last sentence is even more laughable - they can only be confirmed outside of PM work...really? So all those times I knew those guys were innocent I went to Little Tokyo and paid some guy to read my fortune? Genius.

3.) No you don't because you can't answer this simple question - WHO is associated with me?
Saying your going to look at who voted for me is hogwash. Who are my supporters? list them. What are there connections to me? List those too. how about we eliminate you because hey - you just might be mafia too! In fact I hope you do get vigi'd tonight just so I can be like well...we gained a lot of information from his death.



1. Don't ignore everything else, good sir. Throwing up an either/or red herring is standard. Both of you would be in on it so the plausibility of the situation is irrelevant if you're both mafia.

2. How many times have you played mafia and abused the fact that you were respected by the town? Why should this rest on the fact that people need to ASSUME you're innocent? All of this assumes you're innocent. My plan DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT ASSUMPTION. My plan provides maximum effect EXCEPT in the case that you/ver flip double innocent. No one agrees that's possible.

3. Who?

Musketeers (Ver Mynock) and people you've supported (Tricode, etc)

The entire votelist for you (0cz3c <-- from Ver
Ver <-- from Caller
Malongo <-- from Fishball
mikeymoo <-- from Mynock
MrBabyHands
HeavOnEarth <-- from Abstain
Scamp <-- from nemY
Bockit <-- from Mynock
Mynock < -- from Ver
Ver <-- from Showtime!
Tricode <-- from Mynock)

Bolded extra suspicion due to overlap. Depending on how Ver's flip comes up, these would be analyzed differently. Mafia wouldn't have had the impetus to seed a bangwagon on you if they had ver going, for instance, but they would have had the impetus to voteswing you. If you and Ver are red, tricode is likely red as well. If Ver is green and you are red, Malongo MBH and HeavOnEarth become more suspicious.

The people who have defended you.

Caller, Mynock etc. These will be cross referenced with the Ver list depending on how he turns. Caller, for instance, on a double red, would look red as well. Cobbler would look very red too.

But that's all preliminary because I'm going to go back to all of the old posts and review them in depth and I'll invite everyone to do so with me while we have a few people clue checking. We're also going to have another 3 mafia clues to examine, another hitlist to look at and all of the content posted in-thread until then.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
May 20 2009 17:51 GMT
#1148
L, you honestly think there's some kind of underground network you're going to flush out once Ace is dead?

Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round:

From: Ace
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: 5/18/09 00:19
paranoid towny, or mafia trying to change his style. Either way I'm slightly ignoring his posts at the moment.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
What do u think about L?


Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 20 2009 17:53 GMT
#1149
On May 21 2009 02:37 L wrote:
Let me ask the number of players who are voting and ignoring the thread.

What happens if Ver flips towns?

What happens if both candidates are mafia?

If Ver flips town then FUCK. Its the risk we take EVERY TIME we lynch someone. We have to work with what we got, if nothing else it limits who the vision/sight clues can link to.

If Ver flips innocent and we believe for SURE that one offical HAS to be a mafia (for whatever fucking reason) we can request that the Vigi hits him. Even if it causes chaos with no officials. I understand Ver is busy, maybe its just an excuse or maybe its not. Why would he sign up for mafia if he has SUCH important exams coming up? I thought all of us were basically out of school now. But whatever, maybe its legit. In fact it most likely is. But his posts still have not been THAT constructive. Hes not really doing much.

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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 20 2009 17:53 GMT
#1150
And why do people think i'm rage?

O_o I'm being very civil in the face of douchebaggery.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 20 2009 17:56 GMT
#1151
On May 21 2009 02:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 02:37 L wrote:
Let me ask the number of players who are voting and ignoring the thread.

What happens if Ver flips towns?

What happens if both candidates are mafia?

If Ver flips town then FUCK. Its the risk we take EVERY TIME we lynch someone. We have to work with what we got, if nothing else it limits who the vision/sight clues can link to.

If Ver flips innocent and we believe for SURE that one offical HAS to be a mafia (for whatever fucking reason) we can request that the Vigi hits him. Even if it causes chaos with no officials. I understand Ver is busy, maybe its just an excuse or maybe its not. Why would he sign up for mafia if he has SUCH important exams coming up? I thought all of us were basically out of school now. But whatever, maybe its legit. In fact it most likely is. But his posts still have not been THAT constructive. Hes not really doing much.


1. Don't depend on Vig to be reading the thread. Do it yourself if you can.

2. And if they're both mafia?
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 20 2009 17:56 GMT
#1152
here's my top secrets information with Ace

most likely both

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
do you think L is traitor or something

or is he just retarded
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
May 20 2009 17:57 GMT
#1153
On May 21 2009 02:51 Mynock wrote:
L, you honestly think there's some kind of underground network you're going to flush out once Ace is dead?

Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round:

Show nested quote +
From: Ace
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: 5/18/09 00:19
paranoid towny, or mafia trying to change his style. Either way I'm slightly ignoring his posts at the moment.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
What do u think about L?


Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that.

lol the style change wouldn't even be that much except last time he went APE SHIT INSANE in regards to lynching versatile and we were all like "Seriously, calm the fuck down" then he disappeared for 4 days and turned out he was mafia.

Maybe he decided just not to shut up this time and that was the change? Who knows.

I also find it odd how many people just remained voted on Ver the entire time during the election considering he never really spoke at all.

I figure we compare that with how many people just stayed the voting for Ace list.

That is of course if Ver is mafia.
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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 20 2009 17:58 GMT
#1154
On May 21 2009 02:51 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 02:37 Ace wrote:
On May 21 2009 02:31 L wrote:
On May 21 2009 02:21 Ace wrote:
1.) I have not shown suspicious behavior. That's just you trying to convince yourself you need a reason to lynch me. Look at how many people have said I haven't even done anything wrong. Keep telling yourself that though.

2.) Pardons can HELP the town. How many times have I already shown you that I've ALWAYS caught the bandwagoned townie and stuck up for them? Plenty. So don't try that bullshit.

3.) YOU GET ZERO INFORMATION FROM MY DEATH
what are you going to do? What "side" do I have? Who can you say I'm working with? Go ahead, answer these questions. No matter what color I flip you find nothing out because there is no one in the entire game I'm associated with. I've said this countless times and you keep ignoring it. Look at my vote list all you want - it all happened after my platform post. Hence, you can't honestly say it's pure townie or majority mafia and you keep ignoring this point.

What if Ace and Ver are Mafia? Holy shit! yes what if we BOTH are Mafia!

Then it made perfect sense to kill the 2 people protecting us from Vigis and draw suspicion on ourselves!

LOL thats just STUPID. L - your getting desperate. Just stop.

1) yes you have. you initially supported ver, switched on a dime the moment day 2 happened. you denied supporting people I've given 100% proof you did. you've ignored a massive amount of information against you. you have a fucking shifty ass voting record behind you. you consistently misrepresent the abilities of the pardoner. you use emotional language instead of providing solid logical argumentation. you readily admit that someone who ran is likely mafia. I can go on.

2)Pardoning cannot help the town. If you want to stop a bandwagoned townie, you need to convince the town of doing so. The only time this can be used effectively is if the townie is confirmed, and I don't see how we can confirm people in this game outside of PM work.

3) I get plenty of information from your death. Believe me. You pretend you aren't associated with anyone? Your supporters and those you supported during day one are fairly good connections, as are the people who voted for you today, and the people defending you today. There's plenty of information to be gained. Its pretty fucking obvious we're getting information from your death. Its also important that we can gain further information by eliminating the threat of a mafia pardon to allow double lynches.


1.) DUH! Both of the bodyguards die that protect myself and him, Ver lynches a guy who he never brought up to me in PM and then stops posting? He makes some jackass post about trying to trick me - No shit why wouldn't I suspect him? How is that suspicious? *puts dunce cap on L*

2.) Pardoning can't help the town? Are you retarded? How many times have I shown that I've ALWAYS got the right guy pinned. Go ahead and try and deny it. Every single time I've stuck up for someone they flipped Town right? Right. So if you guys are about to lynch him and I pardon him then obviously I did my job right. The evidence is there and your just bullshitting. Your last sentence is even more laughable - they can only be confirmed outside of PM work...really? So all those times I knew those guys were innocent I went to Little Tokyo and paid some guy to read my fortune? Genius.

3.) No you don't because you can't answer this simple question - WHO is associated with me?
Saying your going to look at who voted for me is hogwash. Who are my supporters? list them. What are there connections to me? List those too. how about we eliminate you because hey - you just might be mafia too! In fact I hope you do get vigi'd tonight just so I can be like well...we gained a lot of information from his death.



1. Don't ignore everything else, good sir. Throwing up an either/or red herring is standard. Both of you would be in on it so the plausibility of the situation is irrelevant if you're both mafia.

2. How many times have you played mafia and abused the fact that you were respected by the town? Why should this rest on the fact that people need to ASSUME you're innocent? All of this assumes you're innocent. My plan DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT ASSUMPTION. My plan provides maximum effect EXCEPT in the case that you/ver flip double innocent. No one agrees that's possible.

3. Who?

Musketeers (Ver Mynock) and people you've supported (Tricode, etc)

The entire votelist for you (0cz3c <-- from Ver
Ver <-- from Caller
Malongo <-- from Fishball
mikeymoo <-- from Mynock
MrBabyHands
HeavOnEarth <-- from Abstain
Scamp <-- from nemY
Bockit <-- from Mynock
Mynock < -- from Ver
Ver <-- from Showtime!
Tricode <-- from Mynock)

Bolded extra suspicion due to overlap. Depending on how Ver's flip comes up, these would be analyzed differently. Mafia wouldn't have had the impetus to seed a bangwagon on you if they had ver going, for instance, but they would have had the impetus to voteswing you. If you and Ver are red, tricode is likely red as well. If Ver is green and you are red, Malongo MBH and HeavOnEarth become more suspicious.

The people who have defended you.

Caller, Mynock etc. These will be cross referenced with the Ver list depending on how he turns. Caller, for instance, on a double red, would look red as well. Cobbler would look very red too.

But that's all preliminary because I'm going to go back to all of the old posts and review them in depth and I'll invite everyone to do so with me while we have a few people clue checking. We're also going to have another 3 mafia clues to examine, another hitlist to look at and all of the content posted in-thread until then.


LOL.

What the fuck?

So your plan is just kill everyone who I've even remotely been nice to or complimented - absolutely brilliant. I've supported Tricode?! - LOL! Sure L, sure I have. You still haven't answered my questions even remotely well.

It still stands - if both Ver and I were red why would we kill both of the bodyguards? You're about to kill off a lot of innocents and waste double lynches and NOT play it safe - the very thing you accused me of doing. You're playing like shit - stop your nonsense.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 20 2009 17:59 GMT
#1155
On May 21 2009 02:51 Mynock wrote:
L, you honestly think there's some kind of underground network you're going to flush out once Ace is dead?

Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round:

Show nested quote +
From: Ace
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: 5/18/09 00:19
paranoid towny, or mafia trying to change his style. Either way I'm slightly ignoring his posts at the moment.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
What do u think about L?


Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that.


Lol, compare that to my pms:

To: Bockit
Subject: Re: If it makes a difference
Date: 5/20/09 13:34
Ok.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
I too feel that the argument between Ace and Ver back during the election was terribly contrived.

I do want to see Ace killed tonight (as in, before I agreed to your plan in the thread), part of the reasoning behind my posts in the thread was that I wanted to see how Ace responded to my defense of him, and your accusation. He just sat back, which to me indicates more that he's mafia, as they are usually willing to let Town do their work for them (in this case me arguing for him). I'm pretty confident now I've agreed to the plan you're proposing, we're going to see Ace come rocking into the thread "What the fuck is wrong with the town" etc.

If he does, I'm going to post this pm btw.


And its not really an underground network. Voting in mafia to office always uses the same pattern. Go look at previous games. No, seriously, this is Mynock homework. Want to do some good for the town? Go label the voting order for every mafia voter in each mafia office attempt. See if you find a pattern. I know what it is and have posted it. Go see if i'm full of shit.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 20 2009 18:00 GMT
#1156
On May 21 2009 02:59 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 02:51 Mynock wrote:
L, you honestly think there's some kind of underground network you're going to flush out once Ace is dead?

Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round:

From: Ace
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: 5/18/09 00:19
paranoid towny, or mafia trying to change his style. Either way I'm slightly ignoring his posts at the moment.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
What do u think about L?


Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that.


Lol, compare that to my pms:

Show nested quote +
To: Bockit
Subject: Re: If it makes a difference
Date: 5/20/09 13:34
Ok.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
I too feel that the argument between Ace and Ver back during the election was terribly contrived.

I do want to see Ace killed tonight (as in, before I agreed to your plan in the thread), part of the reasoning behind my posts in the thread was that I wanted to see how Ace responded to my defense of him, and your accusation. He just sat back, which to me indicates more that he's mafia, as they are usually willing to let Town do their work for them (in this case me arguing for him). I'm pretty confident now I've agreed to the plan you're proposing, we're going to see Ace come rocking into the thread "What the fuck is wrong with the town" etc.

If he does, I'm going to post this pm btw.


And its not really an underground network. Voting in mafia to office always uses the same pattern. Go look at previous games. No, seriously, this is Mynock homework. Want to do some good for the town? Go label the voting order for every mafia voter in each mafia office attempt. See if you find a pattern. I know what it is and have posted it. Go see if i'm full of shit.


Oh shit I have the same PM L! Guess that means your part of the underground Mafia network too now!
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 20 2009 18:00 GMT
#1157
On May 21 2009 02:59 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 02:51 Mynock wrote:
L, you honestly think there's some kind of underground network you're going to flush out once Ace is dead?

Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round:

From: Ace
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: 5/18/09 00:19
paranoid towny, or mafia trying to change his style. Either way I'm slightly ignoring his posts at the moment.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
What do u think about L?


Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that.


Lol, compare that to my pms:

Show nested quote +
To: Bockit
Subject: Re: If it makes a difference
Date: 5/20/09 13:34
Ok.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
I too feel that the argument between Ace and Ver back during the election was terribly contrived.

I do want to see Ace killed tonight (as in, before I agreed to your plan in the thread), part of the reasoning behind my posts in the thread was that I wanted to see how Ace responded to my defense of him, and your accusation. He just sat back, which to me indicates more that he's mafia, as they are usually willing to let Town do their work for them (in this case me arguing for him). I'm pretty confident now I've agreed to the plan you're proposing, we're going to see Ace come rocking into the thread "What the fuck is wrong with the town" etc.

If he does, I'm going to post this pm btw.


And its not really an underground network. Voting in mafia to office always uses the same pattern. Go look at previous games. No, seriously, this is Mynock homework. Want to do some good for the town? Go label the voting order for every mafia voter in each mafia office attempt. See if you find a pattern. I know what it is and have posted it. Go see if i'm full of shit.

done
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
May 20 2009 18:02 GMT
#1158
L:Mccarthy:: Asian Woman: Attracted to White Men

Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 20 2009 18:02 GMT
#1159
On May 21 2009 02:58 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 02:51 L wrote:
On May 21 2009 02:37 Ace wrote:
On May 21 2009 02:31 L wrote:
On May 21 2009 02:21 Ace wrote:
1.) I have not shown suspicious behavior. That's just you trying to convince yourself you need a reason to lynch me. Look at how many people have said I haven't even done anything wrong. Keep telling yourself that though.

2.) Pardons can HELP the town. How many times have I already shown you that I've ALWAYS caught the bandwagoned townie and stuck up for them? Plenty. So don't try that bullshit.

3.) YOU GET ZERO INFORMATION FROM MY DEATH
what are you going to do? What "side" do I have? Who can you say I'm working with? Go ahead, answer these questions. No matter what color I flip you find nothing out because there is no one in the entire game I'm associated with. I've said this countless times and you keep ignoring it. Look at my vote list all you want - it all happened after my platform post. Hence, you can't honestly say it's pure townie or majority mafia and you keep ignoring this point.

What if Ace and Ver are Mafia? Holy shit! yes what if we BOTH are Mafia!

Then it made perfect sense to kill the 2 people protecting us from Vigis and draw suspicion on ourselves!

LOL thats just STUPID. L - your getting desperate. Just stop.

1) yes you have. you initially supported ver, switched on a dime the moment day 2 happened. you denied supporting people I've given 100% proof you did. you've ignored a massive amount of information against you. you have a fucking shifty ass voting record behind you. you consistently misrepresent the abilities of the pardoner. you use emotional language instead of providing solid logical argumentation. you readily admit that someone who ran is likely mafia. I can go on.

2)Pardoning cannot help the town. If you want to stop a bandwagoned townie, you need to convince the town of doing so. The only time this can be used effectively is if the townie is confirmed, and I don't see how we can confirm people in this game outside of PM work.

3) I get plenty of information from your death. Believe me. You pretend you aren't associated with anyone? Your supporters and those you supported during day one are fairly good connections, as are the people who voted for you today, and the people defending you today. There's plenty of information to be gained. Its pretty fucking obvious we're getting information from your death. Its also important that we can gain further information by eliminating the threat of a mafia pardon to allow double lynches.


1.) DUH! Both of the bodyguards die that protect myself and him, Ver lynches a guy who he never brought up to me in PM and then stops posting? He makes some jackass post about trying to trick me - No shit why wouldn't I suspect him? How is that suspicious? *puts dunce cap on L*

2.) Pardoning can't help the town? Are you retarded? How many times have I shown that I've ALWAYS got the right guy pinned. Go ahead and try and deny it. Every single time I've stuck up for someone they flipped Town right? Right. So if you guys are about to lynch him and I pardon him then obviously I did my job right. The evidence is there and your just bullshitting. Your last sentence is even more laughable - they can only be confirmed outside of PM work...really? So all those times I knew those guys were innocent I went to Little Tokyo and paid some guy to read my fortune? Genius.

3.) No you don't because you can't answer this simple question - WHO is associated with me?
Saying your going to look at who voted for me is hogwash. Who are my supporters? list them. What are there connections to me? List those too. how about we eliminate you because hey - you just might be mafia too! In fact I hope you do get vigi'd tonight just so I can be like well...we gained a lot of information from his death.



1. Don't ignore everything else, good sir. Throwing up an either/or red herring is standard. Both of you would be in on it so the plausibility of the situation is irrelevant if you're both mafia.

2. How many times have you played mafia and abused the fact that you were respected by the town? Why should this rest on the fact that people need to ASSUME you're innocent? All of this assumes you're innocent. My plan DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT ASSUMPTION. My plan provides maximum effect EXCEPT in the case that you/ver flip double innocent. No one agrees that's possible.

3. Who?

Musketeers (Ver Mynock) and people you've supported (Tricode, etc)

The entire votelist for you (0cz3c <-- from Ver
Ver <-- from Caller
Malongo <-- from Fishball
mikeymoo <-- from Mynock
MrBabyHands
HeavOnEarth <-- from Abstain
Scamp <-- from nemY
Bockit <-- from Mynock
Mynock < -- from Ver
Ver <-- from Showtime!
Tricode <-- from Mynock)

Bolded extra suspicion due to overlap. Depending on how Ver's flip comes up, these would be analyzed differently. Mafia wouldn't have had the impetus to seed a bangwagon on you if they had ver going, for instance, but they would have had the impetus to voteswing you. If you and Ver are red, tricode is likely red as well. If Ver is green and you are red, Malongo MBH and HeavOnEarth become more suspicious.

The people who have defended you.

Caller, Mynock etc. These will be cross referenced with the Ver list depending on how he turns. Caller, for instance, on a double red, would look red as well. Cobbler would look very red too.

But that's all preliminary because I'm going to go back to all of the old posts and review them in depth and I'll invite everyone to do so with me while we have a few people clue checking. We're also going to have another 3 mafia clues to examine, another hitlist to look at and all of the content posted in-thread until then.


LOL.

What the fuck?

So your plan is just kill everyone who I've even remotely been nice to or complimented - absolutely brilliant. I've supported Tricode?! - LOL! Sure L, sure I have. You still haven't answered my questions even remotely well.

It still stands - if both Ver and I were red why would we kill both of the bodyguards? You're about to kill off a lot of innocents and waste double lynches and NOT play it safe - the very thing you accused me of doing. You're playing like shit - stop your nonsense.


No, its to look at people who fit the model of someone attempting to push mafia into office, and they'd be looked at if you were mafia.

Are you saying you WOULDN'T examine the voting order and people who defended you if you flipped red?

It still stands - if both Ver and I were red why would we kill both of the bodyguards?
Already answered. All 3 scenarios explained too. 2x roleclaim 1 luck 1 roleclaim 2x luck.

For someone playing like shit, I've answered a lot of the questions you keep bringing up in the past. Why is it that you don't recall the answers? Maybe you should read a bit before throwing out accusations

: ).
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 20 2009 18:02 GMT
#1160
On May 21 2009 03:00 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 02:59 L wrote:
On May 21 2009 02:51 Mynock wrote:
L, you honestly think there's some kind of underground network you're going to flush out once Ace is dead?

Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round:

From: Ace
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: 5/18/09 00:19
paranoid towny, or mafia trying to change his style. Either way I'm slightly ignoring his posts at the moment.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
What do u think about L?


Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that.


Lol, compare that to my pms:

To: Bockit
Subject: Re: If it makes a difference
Date: 5/20/09 13:34
Ok.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
I too feel that the argument between Ace and Ver back during the election was terribly contrived.

I do want to see Ace killed tonight (as in, before I agreed to your plan in the thread), part of the reasoning behind my posts in the thread was that I wanted to see how Ace responded to my defense of him, and your accusation. He just sat back, which to me indicates more that he's mafia, as they are usually willing to let Town do their work for them (in this case me arguing for him). I'm pretty confident now I've agreed to the plan you're proposing, we're going to see Ace come rocking into the thread "What the fuck is wrong with the town" etc.

If he does, I'm going to post this pm btw.


And its not really an underground network. Voting in mafia to office always uses the same pattern. Go look at previous games. No, seriously, this is Mynock homework. Want to do some good for the town? Go label the voting order for every mafia voter in each mafia office attempt. See if you find a pattern. I know what it is and have posted it. Go see if i'm full of shit.


Oh shit I have the same PM L! Guess that means your part of the underground Mafia network too now!


Hi 5 bro.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
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